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pnwmom

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19. Your aunt was misled. I'm so sorry. This shouldn't still be happening YEARS after the new regs were
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 01:53 AM
Jun 2017

put into place.

About 18 months ago I had to fight with my mother's nursing home to allow her to stay beyond the 21 days. They were holding on to the old standard, that said a patient had to be IMPROVING -- and in their opinion, she had "plateaued." The current standard is that if daily rehab is needed to MAINTAIN health status (not deteriorate) then Medicare would pay for up to 100 days (with a co-pay after 20 days.)

So I faxed them a letter along with the Federal regulations and they finally caved. (The new regs are often to their benefit, too -- since the reimbursement for Medicare is higher than for Medicaid.) Two months later, when Mom WALKED out of the nursing home (she was still in a wheel chair at 30 days), the staff stood by the door and clapped for her!

https://www.elderlawanswers.com/medicares-limited-nursing-home-coverage-12131

Nursing homes often terminate Medicare coverage for SNF care before they should. Two misunderstandings most often result in inappropriate denial of Medicare coverage to SNF patients. First, many nursing homes assume in error that if a patient has stopped making progress towards recovery then Medicare coverage should end. In fact, if the patient needs continued skilled care simply to maintain his or her status (or to slow deterioration) then the care should be provided and is covered by Medicare.

Second, nursing homes may wrongly believe that care requiring only supervision (rather than direct administration) by a skilled nurse is excluded from Medicare's SNF benefit. In fact, patients often receive an array of treatments that don't need to be carried out by a skilled nurse but that may, in combination, require skilled supervision. In these instances, if the potential for adverse interactions among multiple treatments requires that a skilled nurse monitor the patient's care and status, then Medicare will continue to provide coverage.

When a patient leaves a hospital and moves to a nursing home that provides Medicare coverage, the nursing home must give the patient written notice of whether the nursing home believes that the patient requires a skilled level of care and thus merits Medicare coverage. Even in cases where the SNF initially treats the patient as a Medicare recipient, after two or more weeks, often, the SNF will determine that the patient no longer needs a skilled level of care and will issue a "Notice of Non-Coverage" terminating the Medicare coverage.

Whether the non-coverage determination is made on entering the SNF or after a period of treatment, the notice asks whether the patient would like the nursing home bill to be submitted to Medicare despite the nursing home's assessment of his or her care needs. The patient (or his or her representative) should always ask for the bill to be submitted. This requires the nursing home to submit the patient's medical records for review to the fiscal intermediary, an insurance company hired by Medicare, which reviews the facilities determination.

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Medicare covers 30 days of nursing home care. davsand Jun 2017 #1
If they voted for Trump and were of sound mind when they voted then I wont shed a single tear cstanleytech Jun 2017 #4
Listening to Fox, Breitbart or Rush Limbaugh... TomCADem Jun 2017 #12
We might weep for some better children they produced. Hortensis Jun 2017 #27
My thoughts exactly jovibennett Jun 2017 #28
Actually, Medicare has been covering up to 100 days, with a co-pay after day 20 -- pnwmom Jun 2017 #10
Not sure what determines that. davsand Jun 2017 #17
Your aunt was misled. I'm so sorry. This shouldn't still be happening YEARS after the new regs were pnwmom Jun 2017 #19
Thanks for this..This is helpful. Will bookmark this thread just for your article. LeftInTX Jun 2017 #38
Let me know if you need any help. I could help you look if you need more info. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #39
That is excellent information.. Thank you! davsand Jun 2017 #43
Has your aunt given anyone her medical power of attorney? She should. pnwmom Jun 2017 #46
Do we know if Medicaid will pay for Home Care? FarPoint Jun 2017 #32
Medicare now only pays in full for 20 days and virgogal Jun 2017 #42
Right. There's a co-pay after that for a total of 100 days. pnwmom Jun 2017 #47
If they voted for Trump, they did it to themselves leftofcool Jun 2017 #2
This won't just affect the seniors in nursing homes who voted for DT. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #20
I know. leftofcool Jun 2017 #30
The "kids" of many nursing home residents are elderly themselves -- not in a position pnwmom Jun 2017 #36
So the states have the following choices: Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #3
#2 and #3 you can roll together often its the disabled and elderly that will suffer the most and be cstanleytech Jun 2017 #5
What's the difference to the consumer if the state or the feds pay for it? virgogal Jun 2017 #44
The answer is simple... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #49
Imagine go after kids assets, imagine folks dying at home, dembotoz Jun 2017 #6
One positive is that the serious cuts don't happen for a few years, at least giving us 2018 and Hoyt Jun 2017 #7
My guess is, they won't notice because it hasn't happened yet rpannier Jun 2017 #22
Maybe McConnell Care will include free suicide kits for the elderly poor... Rollo Jun 2017 #8
Nursing homes will start closing down particularly in DURHAM D Jun 2017 #9
I think the percent on Medicaid is closer to 70% most places. If they don't start on Medicaid, pnwmom Jun 2017 #11
I know that the biggest nursing home in my area has a cap. DURHAM D Jun 2017 #14
That's terrible. pnwmom Jun 2017 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Batship Jun 2017 #23
I couldn't agree more. Batship Jun 2017 #24
There goes the jobs too. FarPoint Jun 2017 #33
Good point, there will be a loss of jobs. Thinkingabout Jun 2017 #51
I think a well done advertisement pointing out that 67% of nursing home fees are Medicaid covered Midnight Writer Jun 2017 #13
Will Fox, Rush and Brietbart Run It? TomCADem Jun 2017 #18
This may be in our future slightly sooner than thought. roamer65 Jun 2017 #16
Ahhhh, you beat me to it! SergeStorms Jun 2017 #21
"Under the freaking bus with you gramps & granny" - repubes Achilleaze Jun 2017 #25
$300/day in a nursing home/SNF private pay DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #26
The whole entire home health industry is destroyed. Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #29
"May" limit? Well, that's an understatement. Of course it will. Yes, it will. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #31
"little has been said about what would happen to older Americans in nursing homes" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #34
"All our healthcare money is going to blacks/Mexicans/immigrants instead of OUR senior citizens" dalton99a Jun 2017 #35
"... blacks/Mexicans/immigrants ..." left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #37
Both of my grandmothers were on Medicaid when they died Moral Compass Jun 2017 #40
Elder Abuse? Bayard Jun 2017 #41
i didn't read through all the replies John_Doe80004 Jun 2017 #45
also this is going on in the UK as well John_Doe80004 Jun 2017 #48
It isn't easy finding a Medicaid bed in a nursing home now PossiblePasts Jun 2017 #50
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