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30. I guess that would include the guy who

Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:44 PM

Jul 2017

loses his job because of right-wing policies such as the great depression, the Bush "great recession" or what's to come with Trump's time in office. He is doing a great job of bringing all those jobs back to America after all!!

So anyone down on their luck with kids and child support, watch out!! We're coming to neuter (or spay?) you! No need to consider individual cases. You're all just as guilty as the next! My question again: Who's next?

We need to start building a society that, once again, affords men and women the opportunity to raise children in a safe and healthy environment. That means good paying, living wage jobs. And this idea is just a start. Sterilization programs should not even be part of the equation in OUR country.

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Inmates At This Jail Get Shorter Sentences In Exchange For Getting A Vasectomy [View all] Judi Lynn Jul 2017 OP

Jesus. NT enough Jul 2017 #1

What fucking century do we live in? EarthFirst Jul 2017 #2

One in which there are still far to many people willing to either impregnate cstanleytech Jul 2017 #5

Yes! Glad you said it. Although I'd say a century ago people were MORE responsible. 7962 Jul 2017 #9

Nah, people are people still and you still had children that were abandoned in orphanages or cstanleytech Jul 2017 #13

It must have been a real struggle. I hate hearing those stories. I was lucky. 7962 Jul 2017 #18

Aye it sucked but what angers me is that the Navy refused to even help and I will never forgive them cstanleytech Jul 2017 #38

Regardless, using the criminal justice system to sterilize people is a fucking terrible idea Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #32

Birth control implants are not permanent and depending on the method used neither are vasectomies. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #36

I think it's a bad way to go about it. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #39

No, they were using prison to punish them for not taking responsability for providing for their cstanleytech Jul 2017 #40

Im not saying dont punish deadbeat or non-supportive parents Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #43

And I get that but its not working. The number of children with dead beat parents isnt cstanleytech Jul 2017 #44

Your argument is the end justifies the means Major Nikon Jul 2017 #45

If you can find a better way that actually works to get these people to live up to their obligations cstanleytech Jul 2017 #55

How does getting a vasectomy work for previous obligations? Major Nikon Jul 2017 #57

It doesnt of course but it does it does prevent them from creating new ones to add to the old. nt cstanleytech Jul 2017 #59

Throwing them from a helicopter screaming would probably be even more effective Major Nikon Jul 2017 #60

Yeah... you're justifying this program. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #49

Vasectomies can sometimes be reversed, but not always Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #48

a . . . "terrible idea" lebkr Jul 2017 #47

We live in the 1200s. Didn't you notice? Kablooie Jul 2017 #61

Why doesn't he help them find a job? secondwind Jul 2017 #3

For some a job wouldnt matter as they would still skip out on paying even if they had one. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #7

How the hell is that legal? Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #4

It isn't. A landmark Supreme court decision in "Buck vs, Bell" 1927 dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #23

This is in the same vein SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #29

Buck v Bell dealt with state-sponsored INVOLUNTARY sterilization. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #52

Stay in jail or submit? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #64

There is no choice. You lose your hearing, you get sterilized. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #65

I misunderstood your earlier post SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #67

Was thinking the same thing actually about racial motivation Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #34

WTF!!! blue-wave Jul 2017 #6

The Nazi eugenics programs were in turned influenced by the early American eugenics movement ansible Jul 2017 #8

A birth control implant is no where near like what the Nazi's did back then or for that matter cstanleytech Jul 2017 #10

It's still very concerning blue-wave Jul 2017 #16

I agree that such a program needs to be monitored "very" closely because it could be abused cstanleytech Jul 2017 #25

I guess that would include the guy who blue-wave Jul 2017 #30

There is a difference of being unable and unwilling. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #35

Glad you are comfortable SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #31

Its not an issue of who gets to reproduce if that was the case then we would cstanleytech Jul 2017 #37

watched by whom? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #63

I am not appointing myself anything I am merely speaking my opinion one based around cstanleytech Jul 2017 #66

Sorry for your circumstances growing up SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #68

Should be a condition of release for rapists & child molesters. nt 7962 Jul 2017 #11

A vascectomy Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #14

Oops, thats right. Should've said castration. 7962 Jul 2017 #17

that's not the point Demonaut Jul 2017 #20

Well, the poster in post #11 Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #22

Wait a minute here. It's voluntary, and you're rewarded truthisfreedom Jul 2017 #12

It is, by definition, coercion. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #50

Voluntary, free, and reduced sentence, why not? IronLionZion Jul 2017 #15

Please see my post above, # 23. Not voluntary. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #24

Not a bad idea, it can be reversed Demonaut Jul 2017 #19

Seriously what the fuck is going on in this country Egnever Jul 2017 #21

Or: "Inmates who refuse steralization get longer prison sentences." David__77 Jul 2017 #26

I must make two points. Doreen Jul 2017 #27

There was a program in California Phoenix61 Jul 2017 #28

There are people who really should not radical noodle Jul 2017 #41

This is the implant which wears off after about 4 years plus they are not being paid for it per se cstanleytech Jul 2017 #42

I agree n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #62

This makes me uneasy. Shoonra Jul 2017 #33

Buck v Bell is the law of the land. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #58

White county Tenn? maxrandb Jul 2017 #46

What happens if they land back in jail after the vasectomies and they want to no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #51

I don't think it should necessarily be a bribe, but.... Rorey Jul 2017 #53

So the only way to get free birth control in this country will be to go to prison first? elehhhhna Jul 2017 #54

I guess we now never have to endure any more Malthusian bullshit on DU. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2017 #56