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65. There is no choice. You lose your hearing, you get sterilized.

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 05:27 PM

Jul 2017

Once Buck made state-sponsored, compulsory sterilization legitimate, states went wild with wholesale sterilizations. Sometimes, they didn't tell the subjects they were being sterilized; they were told their appendixes were being removed, etc. Years later, they married and couldn't understand why they couldn't start a family.

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Inmates At This Jail Get Shorter Sentences In Exchange For Getting A Vasectomy [View all] Judi Lynn Jul 2017 OP

Jesus. NT enough Jul 2017 #1

What fucking century do we live in? EarthFirst Jul 2017 #2

One in which there are still far to many people willing to either impregnate cstanleytech Jul 2017 #5

Yes! Glad you said it. Although I'd say a century ago people were MORE responsible. 7962 Jul 2017 #9

Nah, people are people still and you still had children that were abandoned in orphanages or cstanleytech Jul 2017 #13

It must have been a real struggle. I hate hearing those stories. I was lucky. 7962 Jul 2017 #18

Aye it sucked but what angers me is that the Navy refused to even help and I will never forgive them cstanleytech Jul 2017 #38

Regardless, using the criminal justice system to sterilize people is a fucking terrible idea Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #32

Birth control implants are not permanent and depending on the method used neither are vasectomies. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #36

I think it's a bad way to go about it. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #39

No, they were using prison to punish them for not taking responsability for providing for their cstanleytech Jul 2017 #40

Im not saying dont punish deadbeat or non-supportive parents Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #43

And I get that but its not working. The number of children with dead beat parents isnt cstanleytech Jul 2017 #44

Your argument is the end justifies the means Major Nikon Jul 2017 #45

If you can find a better way that actually works to get these people to live up to their obligations cstanleytech Jul 2017 #55

How does getting a vasectomy work for previous obligations? Major Nikon Jul 2017 #57

It doesnt of course but it does it does prevent them from creating new ones to add to the old. nt cstanleytech Jul 2017 #59

Throwing them from a helicopter screaming would probably be even more effective Major Nikon Jul 2017 #60

Yeah... you're justifying this program. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #49

Vasectomies can sometimes be reversed, but not always Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #48

a . . . "terrible idea" lebkr Jul 2017 #47

We live in the 1200s. Didn't you notice? Kablooie Jul 2017 #61

Why doesn't he help them find a job? secondwind Jul 2017 #3

For some a job wouldnt matter as they would still skip out on paying even if they had one. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #7

How the hell is that legal? Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #4

It isn't. A landmark Supreme court decision in "Buck vs, Bell" 1927 dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #23

This is in the same vein SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #29

Buck v Bell dealt with state-sponsored INVOLUNTARY sterilization. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #52

Stay in jail or submit? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #64

There is no choice. You lose your hearing, you get sterilized. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #65

I misunderstood your earlier post SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #67

Was thinking the same thing actually about racial motivation Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #34

WTF!!! blue-wave Jul 2017 #6

The Nazi eugenics programs were in turned influenced by the early American eugenics movement ansible Jul 2017 #8

A birth control implant is no where near like what the Nazi's did back then or for that matter cstanleytech Jul 2017 #10

It's still very concerning blue-wave Jul 2017 #16

I agree that such a program needs to be monitored "very" closely because it could be abused cstanleytech Jul 2017 #25

I guess that would include the guy who blue-wave Jul 2017 #30

There is a difference of being unable and unwilling. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #35

Glad you are comfortable SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #31

Its not an issue of who gets to reproduce if that was the case then we would cstanleytech Jul 2017 #37

watched by whom? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #63

I am not appointing myself anything I am merely speaking my opinion one based around cstanleytech Jul 2017 #66

Sorry for your circumstances growing up SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #68

Should be a condition of release for rapists & child molesters. nt 7962 Jul 2017 #11

A vascectomy Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #14

Oops, thats right. Should've said castration. 7962 Jul 2017 #17

that's not the point Demonaut Jul 2017 #20

Well, the poster in post #11 Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #22

Wait a minute here. It's voluntary, and you're rewarded truthisfreedom Jul 2017 #12

It is, by definition, coercion. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #50

Voluntary, free, and reduced sentence, why not? IronLionZion Jul 2017 #15

Please see my post above, # 23. Not voluntary. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #24

Not a bad idea, it can be reversed Demonaut Jul 2017 #19

Seriously what the fuck is going on in this country Egnever Jul 2017 #21

Or: "Inmates who refuse steralization get longer prison sentences." David__77 Jul 2017 #26

I must make two points. Doreen Jul 2017 #27

There was a program in California Phoenix61 Jul 2017 #28

There are people who really should not radical noodle Jul 2017 #41

This is the implant which wears off after about 4 years plus they are not being paid for it per se cstanleytech Jul 2017 #42

I agree n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #62

This makes me uneasy. Shoonra Jul 2017 #33

Buck v Bell is the law of the land. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #58

White county Tenn? maxrandb Jul 2017 #46

What happens if they land back in jail after the vasectomies and they want to no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #51

I don't think it should necessarily be a bribe, but.... Rorey Jul 2017 #53

So the only way to get free birth control in this country will be to go to prison first? elehhhhna Jul 2017 #54

I guess we now never have to endure any more Malthusian bullshit on DU. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2017 #56