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still_one

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56. They are not going to be able to do it through a bill because the Senate can only consider one
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 02:01 AM
Jul 2017

budget reconciliation bill per topic per year, and they blew it with this last fiasco:

"I'm not sure if it's really being appreciated just how comprehensively the Republicans were just fucked over.

See, the Republicans have been trying to pass these godawful healthcare bills through a process called budget reconciliation, which, among other things, protects the bill from being filibustered in the Senate and only requires a simple majority of 50 votes (rather than 60, which the Republicans don't have).

The thing is, the Senate can only consider one budget reconciliation bill per topic per year. Of course, if the bill dies in committee and never comes to an official vote, it doesn't count- which is why they've been able to keep hammering away at the issue.

This bill, though, was allowed to come to the Senate floor, because the Republicans thought they'd secured the votes. Collins, Murkowski and the Democrats would vote no, everyone else would vote yes, and Pence would break the tie. And then McCain completely fucked them. And it was almost certainly a calculated move; he voted to allow the bill to come to the floor. Had McCain allowed it to die in committee, McConnell could have come back with yet another repeal bill; but he let it come to a vote, and now they can't consider another budget reconciliation bill for the rest of the fiscal year. The Senate needs 60 votes to pass any kind of healthcare reform now.

So now they're caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they concede defeat on the issue and try again later (causing a big, unpopular stink that could damage elections if they try it before the midterms, or risking losing the slim majority they already have if they wait) or they actually sit down with the democrats like adults and write a halfway decent healthcare bill.

This is amazing.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9387508

Now perhaps the POS that occupies the WH may try to something without Congress, but that will go through the courts it won't be up to trump

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Translation: Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #1
With McCain gone...they can't do it...Murkawski and Collins won't go for block grants which never Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #43
So they are going to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks again. SummerSnow Jul 2017 #2
Betting on McCain's health Thew Jul 2017 #3
It's Doug Ducey QED Jul 2017 #5
Doesn't McCain credit Ducey Chrysanthemum Jul 2017 #48
Because the GOP in AZ doesn't have anyone DesertRat Jul 2017 #52
He didn't found Cold Stone but was CEO alp227 Jul 2017 #55
Thew saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #10
They call him the ice cream man there. No real name needed . Super hard right like what's her name lunasun Jul 2017 #54
McCain is going to be around for a while, and he isn't going to resign. Not only will he get the still_one Jul 2017 #57
If Dems could cobble together enough votes for Medicare for all DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #4
Pelosi could have called for medicare for all but offered to aid repubs in their plan instead nt msongs Jul 2017 #6
Bullshit. yardwork Jul 2017 #42
We won't get medicare for all...we are still trying to save the ACA...for God's sake. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #44
Yeah, the plan needs to be ACA, Public Option, Medicare Buy-In, Single Payer. harun Jul 2017 #64
What a bunch of total wastes and losers. What the hell is wrong with these assholes! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #7
Graham's Bill videohead5 Jul 2017 #8
What about this article on reddit? Cited elsewhere on DU earlier - I've lost the link. Jim__ Jul 2017 #9
Apparently the rules dont apply SJMULE Jul 2017 #12
Yes. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #22
I believe they are allowed to PASS only one reconciliation bill per year per subject. stopbush Jul 2017 #28
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities agrees with the reddit article. Jim__ Jul 2017 #33
Does that mean they can't consider tax cuts via a reconciliation bill? If so, they can't get 'em. tclambert Jul 2017 #49
The article on reddit does make that claim. Jim__ Jul 2017 #59
Andy Slavitt says reconciliation is still available: moonscape Jul 2017 #65
That would definitely make the article in reddit wrong. Jim__ Jul 2017 #66
They can after Oct. 1, because that is when the new fiscal year starts. tblue37 Jul 2017 #67
This is why Donnie wants them to blow up the filibuster...only way. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #45
They'll still need 50 votes to blow up the filibuster... Rollo Jul 2017 #58
Bring it on! saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #11
What are the odds that 3 years from now... bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #13
Will this thing ever die? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2017 #14
The only thing worse for than failing to pass TrumpCare Blue Idaho Jul 2017 #15
Cue references to Captain Ahab..... VMA131Marine Jul 2017 #16
This is just so they can say they are working on it Loki Liesmith Jul 2017 #17
nothing better to do? barbtries Jul 2017 #18
Will it just die already? LW1977 Jul 2017 #19
This Is Far From Obamacare Repeal And Replace DallasNE Jul 2017 #20
It doesn't matter, because any bill will go to conference... regnaD kciN Jul 2017 #30
It is rare for a president and a political party to work so damn hard logosoco Jul 2017 #21
Democrats don't control the Congress and thus don't control the Committees BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #23
Indeed it's near impossible for the Democrats to get a bill to the floor at the present time. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #27
You are right! logosoco Jul 2017 #60
Absolutely not...they tried to trick the Democrats into that on Thursday...this is only about saving Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #46
Is he fighting to get rid of fillibuster because they can't do it as a budget reconciliation again.. bettyellen Jul 2017 #24
Yes, that would be why. That's why Trump wanted to do it thru regular process but change rules... Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #26
Exactly, they nuke the filibuster and we get single payer in 2019, game over n/t Pluvious Jul 2017 #31
Sounds good to me!nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #40
Let's have a reality check...Trump is president...a Republicann will be president in 19 , we Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #47
They won't give up. They want, and need, to repeal Obamacare. Elections are coming up. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #25
Don't let down our guard! regnaD kciN Jul 2017 #29
So I just gotta to ask, so that this right wing hypocrite Graham and I are on the same page turbinetree Jul 2017 #32
I know a bill that would pass. Just change the name of the bill to Trumpcare and leave as is. Vinca Jul 2017 #34
Which is worse for them? Repeal or Fail to Repeal? bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #35
The saddest thing is Egnever Jul 2017 #36
I don't think they'll be satisfied with "tweaking" TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #38
Right Egnever Jul 2017 #39
Some people... 2naSalit Jul 2017 #37
These guys are zombies on steroids. Every time we knock them down with a shovel to the Nitram Jul 2017 #41
The headline implies the Republican Caucus is definitely going to do this Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #50
Yeah. I Don't Think This Is Going Anywhere. DarthDem Jul 2017 #53
These monsters won't ever stop with this... Dave Starsky Jul 2017 #63
No tax cuts? SHRED Jul 2017 #51
They are not going to be able to do it through a bill because the Senate can only consider one still_one Jul 2017 #56
And...they let Trump bitch and whine and then push them into this last vote....... Bengus81 Jul 2017 #62
It should be obvious to any rational person no matter what political affiliation... Hugin Jul 2017 #61
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