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harun

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63. A lot of propaganda being pushed right now by big oil against EV's.

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 03:13 PM

Jul 2017

Some people are drinking the kool-aid.

EV's are vitally important in helping Climate Change.
Autopilot is vitally important in reducing accidents, especially drunk driving.
Tesla's sales model is vitally important in breaking the dealership corruption that has been driving up prices and pushing predatory lending practices for decades.

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Tesla's Model 3 Arrives With a Surprise 310-Mile Range [View all] Zorro Jul 2017 OP

I don't think of a $44,000 car as affordable. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #1

There also is a $34000 car davekriss Jul 2017 #3

I think $34k is entirely too much to pay for a vehicle. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #6

it's the average price people pay for a new car CreekDog Jul 2017 #17

I googled your statistic... lame54 Jul 2017 #22

Oh, I don't doubt that number. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #47

I wonder if we can ever have flow battery cars. StevieM Jul 2017 #50

35k is not affordable for a lot of people whose range is limited by the next charge station. They still_one Jul 2017 #52

500K have put down $1000 deposits TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #4

+1000 Kennah Jul 2017 #19

I wonder how many of those people predicated their decision on free Supercharging jmowreader Jul 2017 #31

It depends on the cost of supercharging TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #32

Comparison with the S and X is not the issue jmowreader Jul 2017 #38

Why would anyone think driving an EV is free? TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #39

Superchargers (were) free jmowreader Jul 2017 #41

Yeah, depends on what you use it for. Adrahil Jul 2017 #58

Cost of re-charge is free... DoctorRobert Jul 2017 #5

Thank you for that information. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #7

Not anymore tinrobot Jul 2017 #10

Thanks for the update. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #48

Agree. Neither is 34K. Add on tax, license, and other fees too. n2doc Jul 2017 #8

And it's too bad that so many people think PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #9

It's hard to find a car better than Honda... DoctorRobert Jul 2017 #13

The average selling price of a new car is $33,560 CreekDog Jul 2017 #15

You still have to pay the cost of charging the Tesla NobodyHere Jul 2017 #23

Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #49

I don't give a shit what the average price is n2doc Jul 2017 #26

There's a $7500 federal tax credit on the first 200,000 sold in the USA Zorro Jul 2017 #29

Those federal tax credits are only valid until a clean fuel vehicle reaches its quota, I believe still_one Jul 2017 #54

That's why more and more people are leasing TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #40

Your arguments mirrors that made against personal computers in the late eighties. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #61

Yeah, and they were expensive back then as well for the average person n2doc Jul 2017 #62

Tesla isn't even offering the $35K version at the moment. tinrobot Jul 2017 #33

I think the death blow to the gas car will be when they really start cranking these out and harun Jul 2017 #57

That's what I never see listed. How many volts/watts/amps does a recharge use? n/t Bengus81 Jul 2017 #24

There are three levels of charging - 110V, 220V, 400V tinrobot Jul 2017 #35

It's not "agonizingly slow" if it's parked in your garage... hunter Jul 2017 #51

It will take 2-3 days to completely fill the battery tinrobot Jul 2017 #64

110 volts would cover me. hunter Jul 2017 #67

Surprised at the cynicism on this board ThirdEye Jul 2017 #44

A lot of propaganda being pushed right now by big oil against EV's. harun Jul 2017 #63

Thank you. politicat Jul 2017 #66

exactly, if i can't do long trips and know there's infrastructure in place to recharge onetexan Jul 2017 #65

310 miles?? Originally it was supposed to be 200..That is 50% more than expected. Stuart G Jul 2017 #2

"that does not pollute one bit." EX500rider Jul 2017 #11

Business is booming in lithium mining Baclava Jul 2017 #42

Not affordable or reasonable... lame54 Jul 2017 #20

Maybe not if you don't have to buy gas, just whatever the recharges cost..whatever that is. pangaia Jul 2017 #25

I get the concept but... lame54 Jul 2017 #60

Yeah, average income people are not buying this car.... yet. Adrahil Jul 2017 #59

You pay extra for that range. tinrobot Jul 2017 #36

No not good for a long road trip I assume? n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #12

It depends. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #43

Wow, thanks for the info. I had no idea they could charge that fast. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #45

I shot a note to my friend. It's longer than my post implied. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #46

I can't afford one. saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #14

This is excellent. Baby steps to full electric vehicle economies. byronius Jul 2017 #16

Not even close to affordable lame54 Jul 2017 #18

Not affordable or cost effective. Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #21

i lease a chevy spark ev for 161 a month and got 2500 dollars cash from ca with 0 down MattP Jul 2017 #27

Add to cart TroubleMan Jul 2017 #28

I have a Volt, and for myself at this time I would not own an all electric vehicle unless charging still_one Jul 2017 #56

That's pretty good. forgotmylogin Jul 2017 #30

This is MAGA - not Cheeto - not Yertle the Turtle - not Eddie Musnter Ryan jpak Jul 2017 #34

Home computers, CD payers, VCRs, cell phanes and smart phones ARE 2 DURN EXPENSIVE!!!!111 jpak Jul 2017 #37

Initial Model 3 reviews are coming in --here's Motor Trend's First Drive Review Zorro Jul 2017 #53

All electric vehicle sales will be limited by charging station infrastructure. Sales will be still_one Jul 2017 #55