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primavera

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147. Those too
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:46 PM
Aug 2012

But they're not mutually exclusive. When the US has a culture that does not kill 30,000 people a year with guns, I will be the first to champion gun rights. Until then, we can no more be trusted with them than an infant can be trusted with a hand grenade. Whatever the root causes of our numerous problems may be, we clearly are NOT ready for prime time when it comes to guns. To continuously pour deadly weapons into a society that is the sociological equivalent of a retarded child is suicidal.

Bald white male with multiple guns!? villager Aug 2012 #1
You mean this guy? grahamhgreen Aug 2012 #10
That is a rifle... Keefer Aug 2012 #29
Nah! He never shot a man he didn't like n/t nichomachus Aug 2012 #50
Wayne LaPierre (on the left) began as a legislative aide to Democratic Virginia Delegate Vic Thomas AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #97
Yeah, it's probably a perfect time to join the pro-gun culture Doctor_J Aug 2012 #173
Bill Clinton seems to have some expertise. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #176
Obama has pandered to the NRA Doctor_J Aug 2012 #181
Although mentioning "the NRA" is a dog-whistle to some, it has no effect on me because AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #183
The guy on the right looks like he is already fantasizing about being alone with that gun. RC Aug 2012 #98
Well, those are definitely domestic terrorists... villager Aug 2012 #131
Local Police Scanner link Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #2
Thanks for the link. nt CJCRANE Aug 2012 #71
Another Moment of Silence - Guns otohara Aug 2012 #3
Sikhs believe in the brotherhood of man, and equality of all. The shooter must have seen his turban, alfredo Aug 2012 #4
That was my 1st thought. JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #57
+1 eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2012 #59
Ignorance and a gun is a bad mix. alfredo Aug 2012 #114
how about sisterhood of women? Skittles Aug 2012 #125
Equality of women in Sikhism GliderGuider Aug 2012 #155
In their case brotherhood includes both genders. alfredo Aug 2012 #171
My thoughts and prayers Smilo Aug 2012 #5
The perpetrator probably mistook it for a mosque slackmaster Aug 2012 #6
Regardless of the shooter possibly making any associative mistakes Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #14
Or something equally dumb. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #20
$100 that this guy is a wingnut bigot who mistook Sikhs for Muslims. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #7
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #9
That's probably a given. Although it's also possible he just thought anyone non-Christian & foreign scarletwoman Aug 2012 #18
I remember after 9/11 hearing that a lot of Sikhs were harassed... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #24
A Sikh man was murdered right after 9/11. yardwork Aug 2012 #52
In Texas an idiot shot a gas station owner right after 9/11 Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #54
I believe another was killed in Phoenix, too. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #101
i think that guy was executed a couple of years ago or even more recently nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #140
Yup... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #148
i think one of the guys he shot but survived said he didn't think he should be executed JI7 Aug 2012 #151
crap like that happened in my city... madrchsod Aug 2012 #110
Easy bet. sarge43 Aug 2012 #22
My bet on that one would be "first talking head to appear, period." (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #23
Not going to bet against that harun Aug 2012 #34
And hates women and children apparently. lonestarnot Aug 2012 #66
+1 Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #73
That's an interesting description of the perp TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #8
It's pretty mcuh a stereotype, innit? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #16
Another 'if the shoe fits' situation, I suspect. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #17
Stereotyping is a basic cognitive process, helps us function in unfamiliar contexts, like a patrice Aug 2012 #113
That's horrific. I hope they find the perp. No doubt he has a trial of rants online they can trace. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #11
"Disgruntled white men" = racist AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #51
Um Okay. You're right.. there are NO angry white men who blame people of other races. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #61
Wrong. In fact, I think that "angry white men who blame people of other races" can be KKK members AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #84
Us poor maligned white guys. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #62
Well, it's not all bad. Nor are white guys always maligned. Some religious worshippers belief that AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #104
FAIL. Going postal on your ex-supervisor != emptying a gun into a place of worship. KamaAina Aug 2012 #78
Um, FAIL yourself. "Disgruntled white men" != either "Going postal on your ex-supervisor" or AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #83
thank you. nicely put. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #116
Oh boy. I am appalled at this. mysuzuki2 Aug 2012 #12
There is a Sikh who lives in my apartment building. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #28
My god. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #13
Police scanner reporting fires breaking out in the temple Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #15
Abandoned food burning on the stove, according to the scanner. Adsos Letter Aug 2012 #27
Thanks EOM Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #35
du rec. nt xchrom Aug 2012 #19
Say a prayer. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #21
What a conversation! AlbertCat Aug 2012 #25
An unfathomable event, indeed. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #36
And I certainly do not elevate my prayers to the level of God's wisdom. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #42
Peace. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #46
They are indeed the same G-d azurnoir Aug 2012 #90
"the same G-d"? A male bipod who looks just like us? Except for being invisible? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #99
actually that depiction G-d is from Christianity azurnoir Aug 2012 #117
Interesting. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #122
I think it is the Jesus thing azurnoir Aug 2012 #128
And (I'm not making this up) Mormons apparently believe that Satan is the brother of Jesus. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #134
The joy is that we can regularly have these conversations in this country exboyfil Aug 2012 #108
Maybe Shiva, the Hindu God of Destruction, was listening? (Shiva is the God coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #161
As-Samia (All Hearing) harun Aug 2012 #38
Thank you. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #48
Peace. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #55
No thank you harun Aug 2012 #103
I believe God hears all prayers DesertRat Aug 2012 #85
well you and your Sikh 'friend' are wrong very wrong azurnoir Aug 2012 #86
Well, okay. Don C. Nuttin Aug 2012 #91
Sikhs are not mentioned in the Quran because Sikhs emerged in the 15th century azurnoir Aug 2012 #95
Sikhs do not worship the Abrahamic god. independentpiney Aug 2012 #120
it's not the guns 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #26
I tend to agree with you twizzler Aug 2012 #32
......because those ragheads did 9-11...... kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #138
Totally agree twizzler Aug 2012 #149
How many people could that guy take down at once with a knife or bat before being tackled? progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #41
+ One billion. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #56
Guns are people, my friend! Plucketeer Aug 2012 #82
I think a can of gasoline and some matches would do DBoon Aug 2012 #92
I'd rather take my chances with the can of gas primavera Aug 2012 #146
Yes, but it's the ease and convenience of weapons that are the issue. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #162
There are conflicting reports that there are 2 gunmen holding hostages DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2012 #30
Wouldn't be the first time. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2012 #31
"Reports indicate 12 Children being held Hostage by Militia Men in Sikh Temple" Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #33
Meanwhile the headline on Drudge? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2012 #37
and yet the gun industry and gun culture rolls on and on Botany Aug 2012 #40
Oh but guns are sooo SEXY (barf) Every video, movie, tv show, that features guns glamorizes them. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #43
Bottom line is that it is RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE. bluedigger Aug 2012 #47
It's easier to attack the 2nd amendment LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #64
a violent gun-worshipping society makes hate much more deadly DBoon Aug 2012 #93
It's a cruel irony that a fundamental tenet of Sikhism is respect for all religions .... TahitiNut Aug 2012 #106
Sorry, but there are intolerant people EVERYWHERE, but the US is the place where they use guns progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #118
Cue the NRA to blame the person, his mother, and bad aiming Heather MC Aug 2012 #65
And the fact that the Sikh's didn't arm themselves properly Doctor_J Aug 2012 #174
That photo makes me sick Jessy169 Aug 2012 #80
Why? Did they have anything to do with this crime? n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #87
yes Care Acutely Aug 2012 #121
+1 LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #127
In an indirect way, I believe yes, they did Jessy169 Aug 2012 #139
Obviously, we don't know the motivation for this shooting but... RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #44
I'm noticing the same thing. The chickens are coming home to roost. yardwork Aug 2012 #133
he shot a cop too. this is on cnn live right now IcyPeas Aug 2012 #45
Officer shot, will survive ... auntAgonist Aug 2012 #49
Sure are alot of PEOPLE killing lately.. iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #53
yep, we're on track for a record year of mass shootings Jessy169 Aug 2012 #144
Prove to me that you didn't just make something up and post it slackmaster Aug 2012 #169
Well.. in the past four years, an astronomical number of guns have been sold in America. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #163
In spite of the fear-mongering, murders and other violent crimes have decreased for the past 4 years slackmaster Aug 2012 #167
K&R, sadly. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2012 #58
If only Shadowflash Aug 2012 #60
Well, their (ceremonial) daggers are pretty useless against semi-automatic handguns. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #88
Even if he hadn't had a gun, JoeyT Aug 2012 #172
=More dead bodies gasser85 Aug 2012 #130
Yup. Shadowflash Aug 2012 #132
Another Christian Terrorist! citizen blues Aug 2012 #63
Nothing Christian about slaughter of the unarmed. Just nutfuckerian. lonestarnot Aug 2012 #69
CNN says UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #67
Police: Officer at Sikh temple shooting "put down" 1 shooter; no word on shooter's condition Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #68
Just more guns used for their intended purpose. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #70
Ignore the gun psychos, onehandle. slackmaster Aug 2012 #76
New York Times reports seven dead. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #72
6 victims dead, plus 1 gunman dead kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #74
Live feed at link: Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #75
Press release from the Indian embassy: kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #77
4 hours in and still nothing on Drudge. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2012 #79
Skinhead? BootinUp Aug 2012 #81
I can hardly handle this--very close to where I live & I know some who worship here! :-( hue Aug 2012 #89
hundreds of miles away handmade34 Aug 2012 #94
My new next door neighbor came over to see if our Dish was working. revolution breeze Aug 2012 #105
(((RB))) nt blaze Aug 2012 #150
Hopefully you didn't let him tune to Fox Lies Doctor_J Aug 2012 #177
My satellite was out too revolution breeze Aug 2012 #189
Even money he's a teabagging Michelle Bachmann groupie. Archae Aug 2012 #96
More likely a member or wannbe of the Aryan Nation EOM Whoa_Nelly Aug 2012 #100
Whatever he was, he's dead now and no longer a threat. alfredo Aug 2012 #115
Prayers upon prayers to everyone there Iliyah Aug 2012 #102
Yep. Mass murder has become that gun industry lobby's best money making scheme. onehandle Aug 2012 #107
McVeigh didn't use a gun. Archae Aug 2012 #111
And there hasn't been another McVeigh in 17 years Doctor_J Aug 2012 #178
Are you calling me a moron? Archae Aug 2012 #179
The Sikhs amongst my acquaintences are absolutely hands down the most peaceful people I know. patrice Aug 2012 #109
Seven dead. So, how many more need to die before we address gun control? AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #112
How many more need to die before you address GOP control? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #124
You and us both primavera Aug 2012 #142
Before we address racism? Before we address religious hatred? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #129
Those too primavera Aug 2012 #147
Yes, but that's what I was saying LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #153
Gun control would be a hell of a lot easier than curing ignorance, extremism, and bigotry. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #154
Indeed. LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #156
Again. 7 humans dead by the existence of the GOP. BanTheGOP Aug 2012 #119
Would you stop making the same stupid-ass post Codeine Aug 2012 #145
Methinks he's both, liberalhistorian Aug 2012 #160
troll for sure, i thought he had been banned JI7 Aug 2012 #165
Crime rates have been falling for almost 20 years. The last four years are no different. slackmaster Aug 2012 #168
Nah, we don't need anymore gun control ... WTF MindMover Aug 2012 #123
Kick! n/t Tx4obama Aug 2012 #126
" A sikh must have the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully brewens Aug 2012 #135
I pretty much guarantee you he did. I wonder what his FR handle was? kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #141
A moment of silence, please, for the victims of this senseless act of gun violence primavera Aug 2012 #136
FBI and ATF at a home in Cudahy, neighborhood being evacuated. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #137
Stoopit journalist on the live feed asked what "domestic terrorism" was. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #143
OMG get the red out Aug 2012 #152
She talked like a fresh young news babe. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #159
This is so sad... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #157
Well, I can see that everyone will have to give up their freedom to remain safe.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #158
I think people would do it too which scares me more than anything. Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #164
By "give up their right to be safe", Doctor_J Aug 2012 #182
So how do you propose to get rid of those 200 million guns? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #184
how do you propose to stop the shooting rampages? Doctor_J Aug 2012 #185
How about single payer health care with mental health coverage? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #186
about as likely as the gun ban the NRA is screaming about Doctor_J Aug 2012 #187
If you could devote your time and effort to health care or gun control which would you pick? hack89 Aug 2012 #188
It's hard to not come to the conclusion that this was a deranged act of hate davidpdx Aug 2012 #166
An interesting freeper post... sufrommich Aug 2012 #170
Something nearly identical has been or will be posted in the gungeon Doctor_J Aug 2012 #175
Of *course* they are, because no Real Progressives (TM) disagree with you! friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #180
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