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154. Yes. "Pattern of misconduct" that culminated in a reduction in rank for being drunk on duty.

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 05:19 AM

Aug 2012

He probably received nonjudicial punishment (Captain's mast in USN/Art 15 everywhere else) for that, finished out his tour and got the "general" because his service was punctuated by misbehavior. Of course, even if he petitioned for an upgrade (and I don't think he did, otherwise we might not know about this) he'd still have an RE-4 code on that 214.

If we're not talking about courts-martial, and we're not in this case, I don't think, it's often a crap shoot what ends up on that 214. It looks like he made it through an enlistment, maybe even two or an extension (hard to know what amount of advanced training he got, and if that obligated him for additional years of service) but at some point in time he became a noxious troublemaker who was way more trouble than he was worth.

A "general" though, is not a dishonorable. They gave gay people and pregnant women (back in the day when women HAD to leave when pregnant, and later when women had the OPTION to leave--no matter how highly trained they were--when pregnant) general discharges!

The general discharge is a grey area discharge, and it is up-gradable. One can petition for that if one is motivated.

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Shooter, Wade Page, was Army vet, white supremacist [View all] maddezmom Aug 2012 OP

Yep twizzler Aug 2012 #1

SORT OF FIGURED THIS WOULD BE THE CARE HowHasItComeToThis Aug 2012 #152

Racists and gang-bangers get drummed out of the military Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #156

Unfortunately, Page was not drummed out of the military for being a white supremacist. yardwork Aug 2012 #164

Yep -- Bigotry/hate, guns and tragedy. Hoyt Aug 2012 #2

Bigotry/hate twizzler Aug 2012 #5

Could have but didn't. Guns enable folks to do this crap. Hoyt Aug 2012 #10

I have to firmly disagree with you twizzler Aug 2012 #14

A sick twisted mind and a bunch of guns -- they all go together and produce what we have here. Hoyt Aug 2012 #25

McVeigh didn't have a gun atreides1 Aug 2012 #37

there was a ton of pre-meditation in that case... iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #41

There wasn't at Happy Land though dmallind Aug 2012 #80

A gun is a phallic symbol and therefore more likely the weapon of choice, JDPriestly Aug 2012 #77

???????????????? heaven05 Aug 2012 #82

But of course racism is a part of that same sexual frustration. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #120

I agree with you on this analysis. FarPoint Aug 2012 #137

You're totally missing my point twizzler Aug 2012 #42

no, probably not lapfog_1 Aug 2012 #55

I threw in machette as a tongue in cheek comment twizzler Aug 2012 #57

I get your point -- you like guns, and want to protect your access to them. Hoyt Aug 2012 #60

Apparently you don't like reading my comments twizzler Aug 2012 #73

your fellow tiny elvis Aug 2012 #134

My fellow? twizzler Aug 2012 #135

comrade, brother, self appointed militia colleague tiny elvis Aug 2012 #145

Care to put that to a test? primavera Aug 2012 #140

What are you talking about twizzler Aug 2012 #141

Kind of depends dontcha think? iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #36

I beg to differ with you twizzler Aug 2012 #44

well heaven05 Aug 2012 #90

I totally agree with you about better screening twizzler Aug 2012 #93

yeah heaven05 Aug 2012 #103

what we are saying is that this nation is flooded with guns and that guns make it easy Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #128

Guns are part of the problem, never denied that twizzler Aug 2012 #130

Greater than 90 percent of the time these twisted mzmolly Aug 2012 #47

That's true twizzler Aug 2012 #53

The killers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan are politically motivated. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #85

Lets not forget all of Cheney's DWI's. FarPoint Aug 2012 #139

Guns are far more user friendly to bad guys MightyMopar Aug 2012 #49

always sick and twisted? heaven05 Aug 2012 #66

If you mean the hate generated by groups and individuals twizzler Aug 2012 #81

Correction 'by Right Wing groups'! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #88

Correction duly noted twizzler Aug 2012 #96

Just a tool... Plucketeer Aug 2012 #72

Way to miss the point twizzler Aug 2012 #78

Right - way to miss the point Plucketeer Aug 2012 #87

It's a deadly tool chosen by an overwhelming number of killers, responsible for tens of thousands sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #97

Still missing my point so I will say it one more time twizzler Aug 2012 #105

Take it easy Plucketeer Aug 2012 #121

This is exactly what I mean twizzler Aug 2012 #125

Well, you're Right about that Plucketeer Aug 2012 #136

Let's not forget twizzler Aug 2012 #138

Poisonings Plucketeer Aug 2012 #148

Maybe you don't know what enable means? harmonicon Aug 2012 #123

I also disagree docgee Aug 2012 #43

And, several thousand yahoos will buy another "assault/tactical" gun this week. Hoyt Aug 2012 #62

If their legally qualified twizzler Aug 2012 #75

That's what gun culture would have said about Zimmerman, Holmes, Loughner, Stawicki, etc., right Hoyt Aug 2012 #89

I never enjoyed shooting the breeze with anyone about guns twizzler Aug 2012 #102

I'm not "pretending" -- you are like many pro-gunners who appear when tragedies like this occur to Hoyt Aug 2012 #104

You need to learn how to read twizzler Aug 2012 #106

Would help if you'd stop saying you are "not pro-gun" when all your posts indicate otherwise. Hoyt Aug 2012 #127

Utter crap twizzler Aug 2012 #129

yeah heaven05 Aug 2012 #94

I am sure the victims of Missycim Aug 2012 #51

The guy was also a musician... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #70

If there were guitars manufactured to kill people and appeal to their baser instincts -- Yes. Hoyt Aug 2012 #99

Legal Gun Owner. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #3

How do we know he was a legal gun owner twizzler Aug 2012 #9

CNN report it maddezmom Aug 2012 #11

Thanks. twizzler Aug 2012 #17

News conference about to start...you can watch it here maddezmom Aug 2012 #21

gun was purchased legally but didn't say if Page was the person that purchased the gun maddezmom Aug 2012 #39

I've heard that his discharge from the military was something other than honorable slackmaster Aug 2012 #76

Not dishonorable--general (pattern of misconduct). MADem Aug 2012 #91

What type of gun or guns were used? Just curious /nt think Aug 2012 #32

Per ATF, it was a 9mm with "several magazines" Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #61

Thank you. /nt think Aug 2012 #65

I see all that extra weapons training iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #33

I think the Army might have some explaining to do about how someone this disturbed was a candidate Tanuki Aug 2012 #4

Morning news says he was in the Army from '92-'98. PavePusher Aug 2012 #6

Good point--a lot could happen to anyone in 14 years. eom Tanuki Aug 2012 #8

He could have been the skivvie stacker for the Psyops team. Without his record, we know nothing. MADem Aug 2012 #20

in this case, the psy-ops job iemitsu Aug 2012 #48

That's it, I'm buying more stock in aluminium foil companies. n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #67

The psyops training could hold a key. Was he a subject in any experiments? JDPriestly Aug 2012 #86

I thought I heard on CNN that he was a twizzler Aug 2012 #108

That makes more sense. Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #118

Surprise, surprise, surprise. nt raccoon Aug 2012 #7

The Army recruited a white supremacist to serve in their Psychological Operations? Terrific. yardwork Aug 2012 #12

Well the U.S. Army exboyfil Aug 2012 #13

He served in a peacetime military, never saw combat, and they kicked him out. MADem Aug 2012 #16

He was still recruited into PsyOps. Explain that. Maybe it's a feature not a bug. yardwork Aug 2012 #18

He probably wasn't a white supremacist twizzler Aug 2012 #22

He was a frigging recruit assigned to a unit. Do you know what he did there? MADem Aug 2012 #24

Stating facts is not broadbrushing. He was recuited into the Army's PsyOps division. yardwork Aug 2012 #26

I imagine he may have been a super-secret cafeteria worker... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #28

This is a broadbrush implication: He was still recruited into PsyOps. Explain that. Maybe it's a MADem Aug 2012 #29

The U.S. military has acknowledged that it has a problem with white supremacists in its ranks. yardwork Aug 2012 #30

Make up your mind. First it's a "feature" they recruit for, then it's a "problem?" MADem Aug 2012 #38

+1 n/t LarryNM Aug 2012 #56

He also used Colgate.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #35

Those Colgate users....they're all alike, you know. MADem Aug 2012 #40

There is nothing special about PsyOps hack89 Aug 2012 #50

We don't know what he did in PsyOps from 1992 to 1998. We can speculate that it was benign, but why? yardwork Aug 2012 #54

Oh, come off it. He had a "pattern of misconduct" and was drunk on duty and got busted for it. MADem Aug 2012 #68

I think it's a bit unfair to characterize this guy as an Army vet--he was kicked out of the Army, MADem Aug 2012 #15

Execellent analysist twizzler Aug 2012 #19

good points. I've updated my OP to reflect this info. maddezmom Aug 2012 #23

Pattern of misconduct; reduction in rank--what a prize! MADem Aug 2012 #27

In the world according to TahitiNut, TahitiNut Aug 2012 #45

He got a general, I believe. MADem Aug 2012 #52

Yes, I'm a Viet Nam vet and understand this. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #58

Gay people commonly got "general" discharges....if the commander authorizing the discharge was not MADem Aug 2012 #83

yeah heaven05 Aug 2012 #79

well heaven05 Aug 2012 #95

What!? You mean all that extra training with a weapon iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #31

He will end Apathy, allright formercia Aug 2012 #34

So I wonder what the NRA has to say about this? WhoIsNumberNone Aug 2012 #46

'Woo Hoo!' onehandle Aug 2012 #69

14 for Lane's 14 words inside a celtic cross. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #59

Ruby--I understand you have some expertise with SPLC on this topic, could you expound? MADem Aug 2012 #84

Some of the most common White Nationalist themes center Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #101

What a bunch of cretinous losers! MADem Aug 2012 #109

I always thought WN symbols looked like jailhouse tats. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #110

When I worked the gang detail twizzler Aug 2012 #111

Phenomenal organization. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #115

???? heaven05 Aug 2012 #63

But he is not a terrorist Smilo Aug 2012 #64

yep heaven05 Aug 2012 #98

some of the troopers at stormfront are not happy about this shooting madrchsod Aug 2012 #71

please heaven05 Aug 2012 #100

It may be because Page is directly linked to Stormfront now. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #126

thanks for posting the responsible for equality website madrchsod Aug 2012 #131

Paranoia: Expect a wave of conspiracy stuff, based on the defunct PsyOps connection. patrice Aug 2012 #74

PsyOps itself is racist Ash_F Aug 2012 #107

I can guess how that might be a natural progression in that environment. Recall also how patrice Aug 2012 #116

Aurora shooter James Holmes was working on Neuro Control projects.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #147

At least there is one less of these miserable bastards to worry about. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2012 #92

True that twizzler Aug 2012 #112

It's amazing to me... Fawks121 Aug 2012 #113

Good first post twizzler Aug 2012 #114

Yep. We're all supposed to "consider" gun rights but IGNORE the basic premise of gun advocacy: patrice Aug 2012 #117

What if SC hadn't given the election to Bush 2 twizzler Aug 2012 #122

Chain E-mails propagate hate LiberalProudofIt Aug 2012 #119

That's the problem. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #132

Look up George Lakoff for the Democratic counterpoint Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #142

Guns enable people to do massive damage with minimal effort triplepoint Aug 2012 #124

That's why sick, hateful people love them. Hoyt Aug 2012 #133

" He was a psychological operations specialist and missile repairman'' YOHABLO Aug 2012 #143

Nice slap at us vets twizzler Aug 2012 #144

I'm willing to bet there are not many Nazi's named Wade.... n/t Moltisanti Aug 2012 #146

Why can't the reasons for his discharge preclude him from being allowed to purchase arms? IndyJones Aug 2012 #149

A general discharge is not "other than honorable" or "dishonorable." MADem Aug 2012 #150

True, but I thought I read that he was discharged because of behavior issues. IndyJones Aug 2012 #151

Yes. "Pattern of misconduct" that culminated in a reduction in rank for being drunk on duty. MADem Aug 2012 #154

He did a hitch in the Army in the distant 1990s, odd that it is used so much as a vital description. braddy Aug 2012 #153

Peacetime military....a totally different world. The war back then was the Cold War. nt MADem Aug 2012 #155

The Cold War ended before he served. braddy Aug 2012 #158

Yeah, you're right--he even missed THAT by a year! nt MADem Aug 2012 #159

Wade Michael Page: Excessive drinking cost Sikh temple shooter his military career, civilian job maddezmom Aug 2012 #157

Job loss, financial trouble, foreclosure....and violence. MindPilot Aug 2012 #161

America is not taking it's white supremacy problem serious enough. Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #160

Absolutely Fawks121 Aug 2012 #162

Are we surprised by this?! Carolina Aug 2012 #163