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62. I find hospice to be a newer phenomenon.

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 04:13 PM

Sep 2017

My dad was diagnosed 15 years ago when hospitals did anything to sustain life. We had to argue with the doctors to get him off a ventilator.

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Baby whose mother chose giving birth over chemo has died [View all] Archae Sep 2017 OP

So very sad. Scarsdale Sep 2017 #1

The demonization of abortion has got to stop. LisaM Sep 2017 #4

Totally agree with you. It was a irrational choice that devastated her 5 kids. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #14

Agreed. And the deification of being a brood mare also needs to stop. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #36

Yep. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #38

THIS! get the red out Sep 2017 #131

It depends on the odds Yupster Sep 2017 #40

Wouldn't she have died anyway? janterry Sep 2017 #52

Yes, 1-5 years later. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #53

It's doubtful that she would have had 5 years MichMary Sep 2017 #82

Even 1 year with their mom is a big deal to a kid, let alone 5 kids. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #85

I am also MichMary Sep 2017 #87

Expressing disagreement with a decision is not condemning a person. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #89

Actually, I am troubled by how this story was shaped up to condemn her decision. Chemisse Sep 2017 #93

This story was not "shaped up to condemn her decision." Just the opposite. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #99

I probably would have too. alphafemale Sep 2017 #112

You are right, the odds were against whatever choice she made, and that it was her choice to make is still_one Sep 2017 #129

She did what she thought was best MichMary Sep 2017 #130

She did the only thing she could do, because of religious beliefs. LisaL Sep 2017 #136

And maybe-- MichMary Sep 2017 #137

How good of you to point out the enormous advances in cancer therapy Hortensis Sep 2017 #86

I know from personal experience MichMary Sep 2017 #88

Carter had melanoma that spread to his liver and brain. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #90

Google "glioblastoma multiforme" Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #104

Same cancer as McCain has. And he is 81. Of course he is going for all available treatments. LisaL Sep 2017 #105

His is multiforme? Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #111

Yes. LisaL Sep 2017 #113

Her prognosis, even with treatment, was very grave Warpy Sep 2017 #27

That's the key, isn't it? Girard442 Sep 2017 #51

The key is that it was her choice, not yours or mine Warpy Sep 2017 #58

That's what I was wondering. Chemisse Sep 2017 #92

I was around for some of those last ditch trials in neuro oncology Warpy Sep 2017 #95

Your experience gives you unique insight. Chemisse Sep 2017 #96

No argument from me Warpy Sep 2017 #97

Unfortunately, her cancer did not have a successful treatment Yo_Mama Sep 2017 #32

True. I have a friend who has actually just passed the 3 year mark Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #33

Consider that even Ted Kennedy, with all his connections to top medical people karynnj Sep 2017 #35

A blessing? She is dead, the child is dead. LisaL Sep 2017 #100

Another article yesterday MichMary Sep 2017 #107

Surgery is the first step in treating glioblastoma. Yea, the doctors did the first step. LisaL Sep 2017 #108

So, in the month between MichMary Sep 2017 #110

First of all, it doesn't say "a month" it actually says "not even a month" LisaL Sep 2017 #114

That is really sad. I hope the 5 she left orphaned can forgive her someday. Hekate Sep 2017 #2

Or forgive the people who turned her into a hero..... LisaM Sep 2017 #5

That, too Hekate Sep 2017 #6

I'm sure they're already lining up Bettie Sep 2017 #10

She made decisions that were hers to make bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #3

You are, of course, correct. Choice is choice. Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 #8

Agreed! We have no business telling her what to do either. bitterross Sep 2017 #9

Yes, but..... LisaM Sep 2017 #15

I think you have a good point. bitterross Sep 2017 #17

You make a VERY good point. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #30

I agree with that, too. LisaM Sep 2017 #34

I doubt it. Catholics use birth control and have abortions when necessary Warpy Sep 2017 #79

She wasn't getting the complete treatment required for glioblastoma. LisaL Sep 2017 #115

Clinical trials are just that. There is no guarantee that they will prolong life Warpy Sep 2017 #116

There was a guarantee she was going to die if she didn't get the chemo. LisaL Sep 2017 #117

Don't you get it? It's not YOUR CHOICE. Warpy Sep 2017 #118

I am not misunderstanding anything. LisaL Sep 2017 #119

Arguably, the church has no business making medical decisions for people either. thesquanderer Sep 2017 #12

There are no perfect choices bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #18

Thanks for the thoughtful post. (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2017 #22

I support her liberty to make this decision herself. harun Sep 2017 #7

I understand the choice, but change is needed. Bradical79 Sep 2017 #11

24 week C-section baby because Mom was almost dead. That was her choice but her kids lost 20 yrs. Sunlei Sep 2017 #13

Do you mean you think MichMary Sep 2017 #83

No win situation for the pregnant woman. SharonClark Sep 2017 #16

Very true. colorado_ufo Sep 2017 #19

Thank you for your insight and compassion. SharonClark Sep 2017 #20

She knew she had cancer even before she found out she was pregnant. LisaL Sep 2017 #71

She got to see her baby. Maybe that was a win. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #21

No she didn't, she'd been in a coma since July. herding cats Sep 2017 #23

If someone is pro-life, is there actually a choice? LisaL Sep 2017 #102

Don't be ridiculous. Being pro-life is a political or religious belief. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #122

If you don't act in accordance with your beliefs, then presumably LisaL Sep 2017 #124

Circular logic. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #133

How about she has an abortion and gives her 5 kids 1-5 years of having a mother? SunSeeker Sep 2017 #39

She may have had only a couple of months to live and they wouldn't be pretty. SharonClark Sep 2017 #43

If she only had a couple months to live, they would not have offered treatment. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #45

They offer treatment, even if you have 2 months to live. My father was on chemo with the same cancer NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #48

Did they tell your dad he only had 2 months when they diagnosed him? SunSeeker Sep 2017 #50

Yes, they said 2 months. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #59

Ok. That was not my experience with my mom. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #61

I find hospice to be a newer phenomenon. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #62

Hospice is over 40 years old. colorado_ufo Sep 2017 #81

I am so sorry. colorado_ufo Sep 2017 #80

A lot may depend on the age of the patient MichMary Sep 2017 #84

How about she gets to decide about her own body? Chemisse Sep 2017 #94

Of course she gets to decide about her own body. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #98

Very sad. LeftishBrit Sep 2017 #24

IMO There wasnt any good choice here, But she passed making her own decision hopefully. Old Vet Sep 2017 #25

There are an awful lot of assumptions being made here-- MichMary Sep 2017 #26

And how long she would have lived and how well she would have lived. SharonClark Sep 2017 #44

Well, we don't know how long she would have lived. LisaL Sep 2017 #109

Her body, her choice. nt B2G Sep 2017 #28

Her life, her decision ... jb5150 Sep 2017 #29

Fuck cancer Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #31

And 6 children will be raised without the love of their mother. kimbutgar Sep 2017 #37

Selfish? Isn"t that what anti-choice people say about women who choose abortion? SharonClark Sep 2017 #42

I've responded to this before...and I'll say it again. Xolodno Sep 2017 #41

No one here wants to "enforce" their decision on her. We all believe in choice. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #46

This is DU where we support a woman's choice regardless of what her decision is. Kaleva Sep 2017 #47

We all support a woman's right to choose. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #49

The only person who can decide if it was a wise choice is the woman herself. Kaleva Sep 2017 #56

Of course only a woman can decide what is best for her. I am very pro choice. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #63

We agree that only the woman can decide what's best for her. Kaleva Sep 2017 #64

Disagreeing with someone's choice does not make you anti-choice. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #67

Yes it makes one anti-choice Kaleva Sep 2017 #69

No it doesn't. We should discuss these sort of things on discussion boards. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #70

Does freedom of speech require you to agree with anything I say? jberryhill Sep 2017 #78

Really? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #138

Well, some people here are already edifying her choice not to have an abortion. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #140

Edifying it? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2017 #141

This couple went public with her choice, to showcase their "pro life" views. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #142

It was her choice. riverbendviewgal Sep 2017 #54

I'm very sorry about your son Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #73

i was actually in this very situation a number of years ago dembotoz Sep 2017 #55

Oh, so sorry for your loss, dembotoz. PassingFair Sep 2017 #57

Thank you long time ago...it did make me who i am today dembotoz Sep 2017 #60

Absolutely her choice, but this is what I have a problem with TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #65

No way she would have lived 10-20 years. More like 1 or 2 Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #72

Her doctors said she was eligible for a clinical trial TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #74

Didn't know that Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #75

So sorry to hear that TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #91

Yes of course she has Beaverhausen Sep 2017 #103

fwiw, sadly, it sounds like her prognosis was not good. TDale313 Sep 2017 #106

If I had glioblastoma multiforme, I would have made the same choice mainer Sep 2017 #66

If you believe in Choice at all you must accept this. alphafemale Sep 2017 #68

Choice implies there was a choice. LisaL Sep 2017 #120

So choice isn't really choice to you unless the choice had been abortion? EllieBC Sep 2017 #121

To me, choice implies having options. LisaL Sep 2017 #123

That was her choice though. EllieBC Sep 2017 #125

You're right, due to her religious beliefs, she didn't have a choice. Bluepinky Sep 2017 #132

How do you know that her MichMary Sep 2017 #139

She really didn't have a choice. Bluepinky Sep 2017 #143

... Purveyor Sep 2017 #76

This is EXACTLY what choice is about. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #77

It sure sounds to me that she was pro-life. LisaL Sep 2017 #101

Exactly correct Orrex Sep 2017 #126

Using that logic, what would be of your business? LisaL Sep 2017 #127

Well, as long as you don't imagine that your opinion matters Orrex Sep 2017 #128

The mom never had a choice. It's not a choice if you're only allowed one option. Bluepinky Sep 2017 #134

My feelings exactly. LisaL Sep 2017 #135

I know, the husband said under no circumstance would his wife end the pregnancy. Bluepinky Sep 2017 #144