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LiberalLovinLug

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93. Thats a good point
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 03:53 PM
Oct 2017

I didn't mention that, and it truly was a death by a thousand knives. It was a war waged by Trumps team plus a corrupt GOP and Putin's cyber army, and probably Comey was in it all along as well. But I was always leery about just how much that affected the horse race. I always felt that the email 'scandal' couldn't be regarded any more wrongly than it already had been, no matter what "new" developments were talked about. Not to mention that a lot of RW rage at Democrats behaviour is, or must be, phony. Considering how little and sparse they have to work with. That's why they inflate whatever moles they find into mountains. (ie. a blowjob between consenting adults) They grab at whatever straw they can. They throw mud at the wall constantly hoping something will stick because frankly there just isn't a lot of real dirt to pin on Democrats, historically speaking. My point is that die hard Republican voters just want to have their ducks in a row, know who is bad and who is good. They screamed "lock her up!", but if pinned down to explain what exactly she had done to deserve it, I'd guess most would just glare back in a glazed over stupor. So for them, it didn't change anything. She was just even MORE guilty of something they didn't even understand or care about other than it was something they could rally around with Hannity.

And most that were planning to vote for her before Comey's action, had already been saturated so much with stories about her "damn emails" and had been riding a roller coaster for years already about false starts on this, where there were hints of some bigger charges coming, only to be followed by retractions. It was so obvious that this was just another hollow straw, like Benghazi, that the GOP was using to build some kind of nefarious profile of her.

So while I think it had some effect, I also think it was not as big a factor in and of itself. Bernie made it clear that it was a non-issue for his campaign. And as a Bernie supporter I certainly did not put her using a private email account, probably as a way to talk to family and friends, was a big deal. In fact I sympathized with her having that private account for such a harangued public figure such as she. I and others that preferred Sanders, did so for other more significant reasons than that. So any 'new development' of a non issue = nothing for those on the left.

So that leaves a demographic that were going to vote for her just before Comey's action, DESPITE years of hearing about her misuse of a private email server and still sticking with her up until then, were somehow convinced she was not desirable as President material to them because of that one more "new development" of not even proven misdeeds, but only an announcement of some new inquiry into other emails they had overlooked involving a third party. That these folks would, upon hearing this, would throw their hands up and say "That's it!...now I'm switching my vote!" I contend that this was a small percent.

But it was not insignificant. Like is said, a death by a thousand cuts. And yes, it surely did contribute.

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I don't buy it. We can't have all of the following at once NRaleighLiberal Oct 2017 #1
I agree there's so much we don't know, and may never know about how they rigged this election YOHABLO Oct 2017 #5
I continue to think we just have an awful lot of people who won't - can't "go there" NRaleighLiberal Oct 2017 #6
Yes, you can louis c Oct 2017 #7
They are all factors, but one caused the loss - the hacking. period. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2017 #12
But all of the rest got it close enough to hack. n/t Beartracks Oct 2017 #39
I now believe all the Twitter and FB was more to make the race look closer so people would more bettyellen Oct 2017 #50
Hmm. Like camouflage. n/t Beartracks Oct 2017 #68
Well theycreated a culture war with a whole lot of fake soldiers- enough to bettyellen Oct 2017 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #54
If the votes were actually hacked ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #62
Conspiracy Theories? SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #88
that's really not fair Brainstormy Oct 2017 #103
Not saying they didn't hack votes, but hacking Dem voter rolls were a huge part bigbrother05 Oct 2017 #102
That would be absolutely the wrong thing to do. A microscopic investigation of the past needs to be lunamagica Oct 2017 #104
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #44
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #115
Recall Trump has the uncanny ability to project things he has done/is dong/will do onto others... iluvtennis Oct 2017 #16
Trump's campaign maddiemom Oct 2017 #71
Indeed iluvtennis Oct 2017 #87
The "imperfect storm" world wide wally Oct 2017 #28
Yes. The election was stolen. Marthe48 Oct 2017 #31
But we have NO constitutional means to correct such a situation. maddiemom Oct 2017 #75
repugs are Union busters Marthe48 Oct 2017 #83
Or it could be combination of all of the above IronLionZion Oct 2017 #34
If the theft happened (which I believe did), nothing else matters. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2017 #36
Clinton and Obama thought we'd win so big they couldn't steal it IronLionZion Oct 2017 #41
I don't know if they thought that way, I think they felt it would have been close.. JHan Oct 2017 #46
I agree. Stolen at the ballot box.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #35
It was stolen, again, in various ways, but there were still Alice11111 Oct 2017 #58
how many stolen elections are we going to tolerate? 0rganism Oct 2017 #105
Don't forget misogyny lunamagica Oct 2017 #107
Has there been any concrete evidence of hacked voting machines? xor Oct 2017 #113
To be fair most people thought Trump would lose. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #2
supposedly did... Ligyron Oct 2017 #11
Even Trump didnt think he would win bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #13
He definitely appeared to accept looming defeat and was surprised he won. I bet he threw up too. Hoyt Oct 2017 #20
Trump didn't WANT to win. maddiemom Oct 2017 #76
It's not your fault, H. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #3
Was Waiting For Someone To Say That ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #91
I still love Hilary louis c Oct 2017 #4
Exactly. He's the king of one thing. RW fantasies. nolabear Oct 2017 #9
People are really obsessed with anti-establishment candidates today. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #10
We are so screwed Motownman78 Oct 2017 #67
I LOVE HILLARY AND I ALWAYS WILL. Trump & the Russians cheated the American people trueblue2007 Oct 2017 #19
The redumbliCONs will do ANYTHING to win, legal or illegal. democratisphere Oct 2017 #8
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #49
Repigs have it in for bdamomma Oct 2017 #72
It has to be painful to "lose" to this complete idiot, but, except for a slave protection clause... NNadir Oct 2017 #14
well stated JHan Oct 2017 #40
I think it lies with us, too. I'm ashamed of myself. LisaM Oct 2017 #101
+1 lunamagica Oct 2017 #108
She underestimated the enemy, not realizing a foreign power was outflanking her. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #15
I sense most of 'us' dint 'know'/have the realization of sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #37
Yes, I agree. Even the most cynical and suspicious could not have seen what was happening. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #89
I feel we were 'trusting' in a way. Not ever expecting sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #94
We underestimated the Russians, and overestimated the patriotism of Trump and GOP. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #95
We expected cheating, but we didnt expect such ignorance Alice11111 Oct 2017 #61
The Comey/FBI action was totally despicable. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #90
Yeah, and more than once. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #96
Putin did not act alone. He had lots of help. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #97
Pretty much was, but once he got in, many of us are calling the baby out. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #98
Why wont she take any responsibility??? Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #17
Hillary will never, ever be able to satisfy those who hate her. Paladin Oct 2017 #18
As posted on Twitter... JaneQPublic Oct 2017 #29
Truer words were never spoken. What might have been. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #38
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #51
+1 dalton99a Oct 2017 #82
Oh wow! It hurts that this is so true lunamagica Oct 2017 #109
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Oct 2017 #116
NO not her fault but bluestarone Oct 2017 #21
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #52
I fully supported Hillary, but IMO we need to be looking forward and not back groundloop Oct 2017 #22
every evening there's news about the "past" because of the russia investigation.. JHan Oct 2017 #42
This is the only time that my aluminum foil hat comes out. And I wear it proudly. mjvpi Oct 2017 #23
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #55
Its refreshing to FINALLY hear her admit this LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #24
"Finally" admit this, she accepted responsibility for much for sometime now. JHan Oct 2017 #43
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #57
Thats a good point LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #93
I supported Bernie Sanders too, and contributed money to his campaign, red dog 1 Oct 2017 #99
I respect your opinion LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #100
Can you tell me how many other presidential candidates have admited responsibility for losing? lunamagica Oct 2017 #110
I also disagree that "on camera she didn't look comfortable at times, and every sentence, every lunamagica Oct 2017 #111
The loss Liberallover976 Oct 2017 #25
I Don't Buy Into the "Blame Women First" Propaganda Machine dlk Oct 2017 #26
She's absolutely right about one thing Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #27
No, the existence of the electoral college is at fault. muntrv Oct 2017 #30
I guess so. You kept telling the truth. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #32
There was a way to win quakerboy Oct 2017 #33
Well.. JHan Oct 2017 #45
Sometimes quakerboy Oct 2017 #85
Let the Opposition Pick Your Candidate? delisen Oct 2017 #56
And yet thats exactly what we did. quakerboy Oct 2017 #84
The election was stolen with voter suppression Cary Oct 2017 #47
plus Russian influence n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #66
If only I knew how this ends. rainin Oct 2017 #48
Well stated!! red dog 1 Oct 2017 #60
Partly her fault yes Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #53
no Madam President...its OUR fault! samnsara Oct 2017 #59
Exactly!!!!!!!!!! leftofcool Oct 2017 #64
Well said!!! lunamagica Oct 2017 #112
Awful title. She said there were other factors involved as well Pugster Oct 2017 #63
K&R...Thanks for posting, DonViejo red dog 1 Oct 2017 #65
There were many factors bdamomma Oct 2017 #69
Brexit got a MAJORITY of the Popular Vote; Trump Didn't Loyd Oct 2017 #70
What really cost her the election was Rush and the other liars lying about her WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2017 #74
I disagree. Comey was more important than everything else, by far IMO. (eom) StevieM Oct 2017 #77
Had Rush and all the idiots not painted her as the anti-Christ for 30 years WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2017 #79
OR screwing the People's candidate from his TRUE nomination Just Yakov Oct 2017 #78
Ding ding ding! JesterCS Oct 2017 #114
She didn't lose the Presidency - it was stolen from her FakeNoose Oct 2017 #80
treachery is what caused her to lose; nothing else. triron Oct 2017 #86
How to win Liberallover976 Oct 2017 #81
Russia and Republican enablers/co-conspirators Bradical79 Oct 2017 #92
as much as we have all suffered this asshole regime, i'd bet HRC suffers more than most 0rganism Oct 2017 #106
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