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119. This started when I pointed out that men have historically played a key part in women's rights.

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:26 PM

Oct 2017

In this country. That is a fact. Nothing will change that fact.

How you feel about it is your business. But a fact is a fact.

I have expressed no opinion how you should "feel" about the sky being blue. I merely pointed out (and cited links to show you) the fact that the sky is blue.

If you are really committed and interested in women's rights, I wonder why you aren't familiar with this history. You have to read about this on your own. I have spent hours in years past reading about it, watching documentaries on it. Because I have an interest in it.

Here are two starter cites for a basic run-down on the suffrage movement:
http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/19th-amendment
https://suffragistmemorial.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/7-suffragist-men-and-the-importance-of-allies/

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EMILY's List: Sanders headlining Women's Convention 'sends the wrong message' [View all] riversedge Oct 2017 OP

I disagree with this TOTALLY. There is plenty of room at the table for anyone who supports the group Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #1

He supported that Democrat candidates can/should be anti-abortion! Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #11

Got a link? n/t left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #26

Seriously? You've already erased Heath Mellow from your memory bank? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #36

She just asked for a link. Most people citing facts should be prepared to provide a link. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #68

What's controversial about the statement of well-known fact? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #94

The fact that two people disagree on it makes it a controversial statement. Duh. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #101

An actual fact is controversial? I don't think so. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #131

Guess not for those pushing an agenda left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #95

What agenda am I allegedly pushing? Fact based here. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #96

Heath Mello, Marcy Kaptur, Tom Perriello... MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #93

bernie is pro choice questionseverything Oct 2017 #29

Remember Heath Mello? Guess not n/t emulatorloo Oct 2017 #38

bernie's statement on that questionseverything Oct 2017 #43

so you saying perez is anti abortion too? questionseverything Oct 2017 #45

No, both Perez and Sanders are pro-choice. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #49

And that's okay that he did that. It's an area where that is the only viable option... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #63

Some would call that, "thowing people with uteruses under the bus" to get what you want. Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #67

That's similar to what Sarandon said about not voting for Hillary (helping Trump win). Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #127

So it's okay to be pragmatic about choice.... LisaM Oct 2017 #126

So are 99% of the Democratic Senators, Governors, House members... brooklynite Oct 2017 #98

well since many prominent women turned down the invatation questionseverything Oct 2017 #123

Should? Disingenuous statement. KPN Oct 2017 #102

Room at the table. Not HEAD of the table. pnwmom Oct 2017 #13

Very Clear Distinction Me. Oct 2017 #53

He is "A" featured speaker. Not "the headliner." There can be several featured speakers. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #64

Wrong. He is the LEAD SPEAKER. He is the HEADLINER. pnwmom Oct 2017 #65

Much ado about nothing. They were lucky to get him. Looks like Hillary & all other notable females Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #69

Wrong. Maxine Waters is a notable woman and she didn't turn them down. She's going to be there pnwmom Oct 2017 #70

Waters is the KEYNOTE SPEAKER. Bernie is opening the convention (not keynote speaker). Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #72

That's what they are saying now, after the backlash. pnwmom Oct 2017 #85

No. Maxine Waters is the KEYNOTE SPEAKER. Sanders is the opening act. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #73

Tamika Mallory walked back her statement about Bernie being the headliner pnwmom Oct 2017 #80

I don't think so. The convention is named in honor of Waters. "Reclaiming Our Time." Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #81

That SOUNDS logical, but when they appropriated Maxine's theme, they still hadn't announced pnwmom Oct 2017 #82

I agree. riversedge Oct 2017 #83

Every year our State Democratic Party holds a Women's Brunch (which is more than just eating).... George II Oct 2017 #19

Well, Emily's List can sponsor an event and pick their keynote speaker karynnj Oct 2017 #2

You may recall there was some kerfuffle with the organizers of the women's march in February. LisaM Oct 2017 #4

I don't get what your problem with who THEY have at THEIR conference is karynnj Oct 2017 #8

Well, it's actually advertised as "The Women's Conference"... LisaM Oct 2017 #9

Are the main people who organized it women? karynnj Oct 2017 #16

I suggest you not insinuate your fellow DU'ers are hypocrites because they disagree w you emulatorloo Oct 2017 #48

Men have historically been part of the women's movement in America. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #71

Wow, are you serious? LisaM Oct 2017 #104

Use your noggin & look up history. Who do you think gave women the vote? Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #105

WHAT????? LisaM Oct 2017 #108

It was exclusively hundreds of men who VOTED to give women the vote & pass the 19th amendment. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #111

I can't believe I'm even in this exchange. LisaM Oct 2017 #112

These are just facts. What's your beef with facts and reality? But for men, you would not be able to Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #114

I'm not going to alert you, even though I should. LisaM Oct 2017 #115

Men are not automatically anti-women's rights. But for them, we would not have the vote. Here it is: Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #113

Is anyone else reading this mansplaining manifesto? LisaM Oct 2017 #117

This started when I pointed out that men have historically played a key part in women's rights. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #119

Please stop. LisaM Oct 2017 #120

The first WOMEN's convention in 40 years shouldn't be headlined by a MAN, pnwmom Oct 2017 #14

It is NOT the first women's convention in 40 years! karynnj Oct 2017 #18

The organizers are billing it as the first national Women's Convention in 40 years: George II Oct 2017 #21

Well, by their choice of their headline speaker, they have inadvertently made it NOT be pnwmom Oct 2017 #30

This whole thing is maddening. LisaM Oct 2017 #118

It is called a "Women's Convention" sheshe2 Oct 2017 #20

It's Tamika Mallory. 'Nuff said. As a POC myself, she does not speak for me. This was a mistake, Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #40

I know. eom sheshe2 Oct 2017 #44

And Nina Me. Oct 2017 #54

Exactly. nt Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #66

And Nomiki emulatorloo Oct 2017 #99

Intersting GaryCnf Oct 2017 #128

I don't know what to tell ya. Find better friends? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #129

Lol GaryCnf Oct 2017 #130

I think Sanders could have declined being the headliner and say he would gladly be a speaker. riversedge Oct 2017 #116

He's not the headliner melman Oct 2017 #124

I had forgotten that at first. deurbano Oct 2017 #10

Yeah, it was really a divisive move. LisaM Oct 2017 #12

It's not Emily's List's convention. But the group can choose its keynote, and its MAXINE WATERS. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #74

Thanks. karynnj Oct 2017 #89

I'll just drop this here... Purveyor Oct 2017 #3

THANK YOU. LisaM Oct 2017 #6

boy, that Bernie Sanders just can't do anything right, can he? ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #5

Glad they're speaking out.... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #7

I'm sorry, did he force his way in to speak ? kacekwl Oct 2017 #15

Sanders polls as the most popular politician in America today. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #17

No he doesn't. George II Oct 2017 #22

Truth. Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #24

Just so you know... OilemFirchen Oct 2017 #31

Hah, good one, thanks! I actually thought it was Stolichnaya that would be replaced by Smirnoff. George II Oct 2017 #35

... emulatorloo Oct 2017 #42

Joementum cadmium Oct 2017 #23

wow, that is a flat out untruth ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #106

That lie has been debunked more times than I care to count. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #41

It will be up to Bernie Sanders if he wants to opt out..he has time..Oct 27..today Oct 12.. Stuart G Oct 2017 #25

This is nothing more than a Bernie for POTUS in '20 advertisement. Tamika Mallory is not to be.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #46

Might want to check your facts. Don't automatically believe what you THINK you read. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #75

Depends on how you look at it Philistein Oct 2017 #27

Interesting way to look at it, & after seeing at least 200+ concerts in my life I get your point! NT CaptainTruth Oct 2017 #34

According to "Women's March", Hillary Clinton is NOT speaking. And they've been very vague.... George II Oct 2017 #121

I guess Bernie is warming up for Maxine. Philistein Oct 2017 #122

First, Maxine Waters needs no "warming up". And it's a women's convention, one would think.... George II Oct 2017 #125

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #28

Poor choice for a headline speaker. brer cat Oct 2017 #32

I don't know all the details but if this is a Women's Convention I feel the opening/keynote/first... CaptainTruth Oct 2017 #33

So, organizers of a Women's Convention can't CHOOSE who they ask to speak? FailureToCommunicate Oct 2017 #37

Then you failed to read my post 20, FailureToCommunicate. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #47

Of course they can. Sorry, don't see a single post that says "this is Bernie's doing" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #51

After reading this thread, it's asy to understand why democrank Oct 2017 #39

Democrats lost seats because they voted for the stimulus and Obamacare emulatorloo Oct 2017 #50

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #76

no shit. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #90

Can't help but wonder Jake Stern Oct 2017 #52

Something tells me it would be odd to have any man open a women's convention emulatorloo Oct 2017 #55

Tone deaf. Justice Oct 2017 #56

Somebody tried to smear folks as "hypocrites" up thread as well emulatorloo Oct 2017 #58

I see no problem with a man being an opening act for the keynote speaker, who is female... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #79

I doubt the outcome of any US elections will be decided based on this thread emulatorloo Oct 2017 #97

It's an attitude & lack of pragmatism & focus on the big picture that'll cost. Susan Sarandon effect Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #100

The keynote speaker at a women's convention should be a woman. Beacool Oct 2017 #59

It's amazing and very discouraging that some progressives cannot understand this. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #61

Yes, it is. Beacool Oct 2017 #62

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #77

It wasn't, though, was it? treestar Oct 2017 #87

I agree with this tweet from Peter Daou. Beacool Oct 2017 #57

Well, it's 2016-17 in a nutshell! pnwmom Oct 2017 #60

But those things are unrelated. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #78

Sadly, so true. riversedge Oct 2017 #84

Makes no sense treestar Oct 2017 #86

I agree with Emily's list. Wondering about these organizers... Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #88

maybe they recognize a popular ally ProfessorPlum Oct 2017 #107

Nah! We gots to agree to disagree on this one, won't we? Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #91

Damn right it does. The tone deafness continues. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #92

Yep! Tone deafness is right. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #103

K&R Gothmog Oct 2017 #110