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In reply to the discussion: UPDATED: Manafort, Gates charged with conspiracy against US [View all]AntiFascist
(13,737 posts)68. Trump should stop railing against the "deep state"...
in light of Manafort's connections. Obviously he has been trying to redefine the term in the United States, but it originally refered to ultra-right anti-Communist criminal organizations centered in Turkey, the likes of which sound much like those who support Putin in Russia:
https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/03/economist-explains-6
But the deep state started life as something else entirely. Citizens in Turkey, where the term originated, have long worried about the derin devlet (deep state), which refers to a network of individuals in different branches of government, with links to retired generals and organised crime, that existed without the knowledge of high-ranking military officers and politicians. Its goal was purportedly to preserve secularism and destroy communism by any means necessary, outside the regular chain of command. Starting in the 1950s Turkeys deep state sponsored killings, engineered riots, colluded with drug traffickers, staged false flag attacks and organised massacres of trade unionists. Thousands died in the chaos it fomented.
In its present avatar, deep state seems set to go the way of fake news in American discourse, a once-useful term rendered meaningless by promiscuous repetition, often in reference to quite different things. Turkey is a pioneer here too. After a handful of city councils in Germany recently cancelled rallies in support for Mr Erdogan, Turkeys foreign minister offered a simple explanation: This is a systematic move of the German deep state.
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I wonder if old Wilbur Ross can explain some things, since he was the vice-president of the Bank
turbinetree
Oct 2017
#19
And the kid, daughters and other other halfs, and everyone that was at that convention speaking
turbinetree
Oct 2017
#29
This bunch haven't figured out that they are just like fish getting thrown on a beach
turbinetree
Oct 2017
#36
So the successful CEO who ran a reality show based on hiring an employee
bronxiteforever
Oct 2017
#12
I agree. He's a top level criminal who has probably spent a lifetime doing what he does.
Honeycombe8
Oct 2017
#47
tRump still thinks Donald only selects the best, the very best. (He fires them too.). . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2017
#33
If it is true that the indictment is over taxes and files now d/t statute of limitations
Raven123
Oct 2017
#35
"In all more than $75,000,000 flowed" and $18 million was laundered. Gates benefitted by $3 million.
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2017
#43
He may have sold them or given them away as way to launder money to clothes to cash / obligations.nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2017
#61
several people have written here that Trump can't pardon co-conspirators - they're wrong
onenote
Oct 2017
#65
Expect Fox News to hit the button: "Manafort a guy who did money laundering....
Honeycombe8
Oct 2017
#53
"conspiracy against the United States"---AKA, TREASON. What might Gorka have to say on THIS?
WinkyDink
Oct 2017
#55
Please stop. Conspiracy against the US is not the same as, even remotely, treason.
onenote
Oct 2017
#66