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Sancho

(9,207 posts)
2. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:23 AM
Nov 2017

(see number 2)

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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trump finally admits "mental health problem at the highest level" truthisfreedom Nov 2017 #1
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Nov 2017 #2
Nothing will be done Scarsdale Nov 2017 #4
No assault weapons for civilians, period. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #6
No difference. Trump's fine with mentally ill people having their Second Amendment right no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #3
So that's it...crazy shooters and vigilantes. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #5
Must be why Trump overturned restrictions on Mentally I'll owning guns whathehell Nov 2017 #7
Yes padah513 Nov 2017 #9
Agree totally but I heard nothing at all.from the broadcast media whathehell Nov 2017 #11
+1 riversedge Nov 2017 #21
Nice for the abuser to give his 2 cents! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #8
No actually it is about the guns quaker bill Nov 2017 #10
Agree. It IS about guns and as far as mental health, let's not get advice from DT. mpcamb Nov 2017 #32
+1 quaker bill Nov 2017 #34
And Republicans care about mental health even less than they care about gun safety. tanyev Nov 2017 #12
I'll just leave this here as a reminder BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #13
If a guy named Mohamed had shot these people Trump would be calling for a Muslim ban doc03 Nov 2017 #14
There are mentally-ill people scattered in nations all over the globe. Paladin Nov 2017 #18
The "mental health" issue billh58 Nov 2017 #20
The mentally ill diagnosing the mentally ill. bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #15
Well that didn't take long. A WHITE guy is always "disturbed". Brown skin--TERRORISTS!!!!!!! Bengus81 Nov 2017 #16
Seems to me someone named Obama Timmygoat Nov 2017 #17
Too many madokie Nov 2017 #19
I agree. This country is insane to allow people to buy machine guns. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #22
That "machine gun" reference will get you in trouble with the pro-gun vocabulary police. Paladin Nov 2017 #24
Fuck 'em. No time for euphemisms anymore. We hand over control of language all the time. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #25
Good. I've been arguing for reclaiming the vocabulary for a long time, now. Paladin Nov 2017 #33
And Repugs just *repealed* laws meant to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill. eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #23
Yes. Turbineguy Nov 2017 #26
Trump said neighbor shot shooter.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #27
Someone needs to teach Don about guns and, especially, long-range scopes. Vinca Nov 2017 #28
Fine. Then isnt most terrorism, religious or otherwise, a mental health issue? Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #29
Demonstrates how pathetic, this POTUS is laserhaas Nov 2017 #30
Kelley's Or Trump's Mental Health? DallasNE Nov 2017 #31
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