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Junkdrawer

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26. In case you think I'm talking completely out of my ass: Jim Hansen's take:
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:58 AM
Aug 2012
Some people take comfort from the fact that there have been times in the history of the planet when greenhouse gas concentrations were much higher than now. The world was very different, but there was no runaway greenhouse and life endured. James Hansen devotes the entire tenth chapter of Storms of My Grandchildren to considering whether this assessment is valid. Three things give him pause:

1.The sun is brighter now than it was during past periods with very high greenhouse gas concentrations. The 2% additional brightness corresponds to a forcing of about 4 watts per square metre and is akin to a doubling of CO2 concentrations.
2.For various reasons, the greenhouse gas concentrations in past hot periods may not have been as high as we thought.
3.We are introducing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere far more quickly than natural processes ever did. This might cause fast (positive) feedback effects to manifest themselves forcefully, before slower (negative) feedback effects can get going.

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The paleoclimate record does not provide a case with a climate forcing of the magnitude and speed that will occur if fossil fuels are all burned. Models are nowhere near the stage at which they can predict reliably when major ice sheet disintegration will begin. Nor can we say how close we are to methane hydrate instability. But these are questions of when, not if. If we burn all the fossil fuels, the ice sheets almost surely will melt entirely, with the final sea level rise about 75 meters (250 feet), with most of that possibly occurring within a time scale of centuries. Methane hydrates are likely to be more extensive and vulnerable now than they were in the early Cenozoic. It is difficult to imagine how the methane clathrates could survive, once the ocean has had time to warm. In that event a PETM-like warming could be added on top of the fossil fuel warming.

After the ice is gone, would Earth proceed to the Venus syndrome, a runaway greenhouse effect that would destroy all life on the planet, perhaps permanently? While that is difficult to say based on present information, I’ve come to conclude that if we burn all reserves of oil, gas, and coal, there is a substantial chance we will initiate the runaway greenhouse. If we also burn the tar sands and tar shale, I believe the Venus syndrome is a dead certainty.
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http://www.sindark.com/2010/02/04/is-runaway-climate-change-possible-hansens-take/

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The hits just keep on a-comin' longship Aug 2012 #1
It is scary! n/t We are Devo Aug 2012 #3
Its interesting that the info.... MzShellG Aug 2012 #21
Scientists are a cautious lot. longship Aug 2012 #24
Not to worry primavera Aug 2012 #27
As you said in another thread, we're into a Cat. 5 Climate Emergency GliderGuider Aug 2012 #2
Time to start looking at Geoengineering... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #7
I'd rather get used to the idea of change, thanks. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #9
I'm guessing geoengineering will be done. I want environmentalists to have a seat at the table. Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #12
Oh, I have no doubt it will be done. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #14
There is no single right or wrong.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #16
I agree. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #17
My kingdom for a time machine. Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #19
I'm sorry, but no, no, and HELL no. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #25
In case you think I'm talking completely out of my ass: Jim Hansen's take: Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #26
Never heard of hyperbole, eh? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #29
If the planet's average temp. "only" hits 150F instead of 700F NickB79 Aug 2012 #39
Good point indeed. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #42
It seems to me that the time has come to live a life of awe and respect FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #38
That feels like the right path to me too. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #40
The same to you. n/t FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #41
Here's a prediction that will stick. sofa king Aug 2012 #4
It's going down exponetially XemaSab Aug 2012 #5
Holy crap! n/t We are Devo Aug 2012 #6
There's the potential for a completely ice-free Arctic in September in three to four years. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #10
Three to four? XemaSab Aug 2012 #15
Hey, you know me - an incurable, wild-eyed optimist all the way... nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #18
I think history will see us all as optimists... sofa king Aug 2012 #28
The fact is, not necessarily. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #43
I can't imagine the upheaval when it cause a mass migration of people... Bonhomme Richard Aug 2012 #8
I think that what is now the Sahara was a fertile grassland and the birthplace of Homo Sapiens... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #11
Let's not get too carried away with the hyperbole now...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #44
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #13
I wonder how long Polar Bears will survive. Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #20
Anyone run the passage yet? Historic NY Aug 2012 #22
These guys did it last year... neeksgeek Aug 2012 #23
Wouldn't you know it! jamesatemple Aug 2012 #30
I think we will see open water at the north pole next summer. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #31
After reading posts on Neven's blog, it looks to me like the ice is being eaten from below... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #32
I am really confused about this from a scientific point of view. Drew Richards Aug 2012 #33
Melting ice currently floating on water doesn't change world water levels.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #35
I understand that...I was referring to the increased volume of water that is now in the ocean from Drew Richards Aug 2012 #36
What effects the Artic is going to effect the World lovuian Aug 2012 #34
Capitalism is a religion Hydra Aug 2012 #37
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