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128. The fact they're not conservatives keeps being cited as some sort of clincher.

Thu Nov 23, 2017, 12:57 AM

Nov 2017

I've seen people who are Democrats (I presume) on this board this very night calling for Franken to resign - not because of any proof of guilt, but because they're worried about the electoral consequences!

Maybe Zachary Roth feels that Franken should go, too, and this is a tactic to try to give him another push?

Hey, it's a theory.

I have as much proof of it right now as I have of Roth's story, which is anonymous hearsay - carried in HuffPo. You know, it's not my go-to media outlet when I'm looking for reliable, honest journalism, and never has been.

I first heard Roth's name today (I've never heard of Hatch before either). I've followed Franken's career and writings for over a decade, so I feel I know a little about him. What I'm hearing goes against the grain of that. So I'm going to need a little more convincing evidence before I believe it.

The "corroboration" on all this so far comes from Zachary Roth claiming he was told about this by one of the women years ago. You're apparently relying on his reputation as evidence.

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Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

yeah, fuck this... dhill926 Nov 2017 #1

He's toast! VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #2

I don't care... FarPoint Nov 2017 #17

...because its okay if hes on our side? brooklynite Nov 2017 #23

I do not support late claims of whining... FarPoint Nov 2017 #25

What a reprehensible point of view True Dough Nov 2017 #39

You are investing into way too much drama... FarPoint Nov 2017 #42

I wish you could walk a mile in those women's shoes True Dough Nov 2017 #46

As a woman... FarPoint Nov 2017 #49

Good for you True Dough Nov 2017 #60

I know many women who do lack the confidence in confrontation... FarPoint Nov 2017 #215

I disagree, no surprise True Dough Nov 2017 #222

I believe your posts show a level-headed assessment of the situation rock Nov 2017 #209

Yes, and thank you... Secondly... FarPoint Nov 2017 #210

right...they are more than likely rightie Fox girls...we don't know since they won't go on the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #166

Here's the problem with your theory True Dough Nov 2017 #196

Everybody has the right to confront their accuser. Demit Nov 2017 #225

He says he didn't remember it that way and he doesn't remember the picture and why should he? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #252

We'll see how this turns out True Dough Nov 2017 #259

Right pure but in the minority...I don't have to have purity...I need to win...and I will not dance Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #260

Walking a mile in their shoes for me treestar Nov 2017 #213

Why isn't Franken saying that? True Dough Nov 2017 #220

he is not the accuser treestar Nov 2017 #221

Laughable True Dough Nov 2017 #224

Well it does treestar Nov 2017 #238

"He may not have time to deny it." True Dough Nov 2017 #239

Someone in a supermarket can prove it treestar Nov 2017 #249

But they haven't "summoned the courage" to come forward, cause they are anonymous adigal Nov 2017 #119

YES! SkyDaddy7 Nov 2017 #44

Not believing it is different from defending it treestar Nov 2017 #214

If Moore gets into the Senate, Franken should stay question everything Nov 2017 #106

"Them" being the women he is accused of groping? Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #160

Sorry, no. "Then" - the Republicans. question everything Nov 2017 #226

So - sit in the back of the bus and wait your turn, because it is not politically convenient Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #244

Franken should stay regardless and run in 2020...it is a gift to the other side when a sitting Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #168

It will be up to the voters of Minnesota and I don't know what their mood will be question everything Nov 2017 #228

We barely won that seat so folks should layoff of Franken unless they want a right wing court. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #250

I don't care that you don't care. VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #66

Sorry to see that you get caught up in the accusation phase... FarPoint Nov 2017 #74

Because of anonymous claims?? I am going to call the news and make an anonymous claim against Trump adigal Nov 2017 #124

NO, HE IS NOT! bitterross Nov 2017 #31

No but the Repugnants will try to make it an issue in order to protect Moore and Donald so Franken cstanleytech Nov 2017 #131

Yes, they will. We should stop helping them out. bitterross Nov 2017 #145

Relax, even if they wanted Donald to resign Donalds ego is to big for him to take Franken up cstanleytech Nov 2017 #147

Anonymous accusations won't carry any weight in an investigation. pnwmom Nov 2017 #52

No I Think the whole damn thing is a set up INdemo Nov 2017 #73

I do too and usual folks are calling for a Democrat's head. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #170

Exactly, why don't they want him to have a fair shake treestar Nov 2017 #217

They hate Democrats...and they are sneaking in digs at Bill Clinton as well. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #251

Keep dreaming tenderfoot Nov 2017 #240

Oh, hell. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #3

I'm not sure I buy these two dflprincess Nov 2017 #105

So far they're anonymous, claiming fear of being hassled on social media. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #109

When it is someone you respect highly... nycbos Nov 2017 #4

Yes, more of a disappointment and he should have known better. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #24

don't fall for it questionseverything Nov 2017 #256

I am still on the fence. The truth will come out. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #257

Really...if you say so...it makes me give them the benefit of the doubt...we know the first two Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #171

The ones with names and pictures went down in flames. hay rick Nov 2017 #5

I just wait for due process delisen Nov 2017 #10

Agree. hay rick Nov 2017 #13

Due process ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #15

Roy Moore is accused of child molestation delisen Nov 2017 #28

You are changing the subject ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #32

Are you sure that you are not lost? Thor_MN Nov 2017 #43

Don't wait up for a reply. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #47

I won't. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #99

Some folks certainly seem heavily invested in whipping this up tonight, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #100

You asked me a question. I answered it delisen Nov 2017 #82

The 14-year-old is not anonymous. Big difference. Let these anonymous women come forward brush Nov 2017 #134

They are not the same. Moore and Trump are scumbags rockfordfile Nov 2017 #156

I agree also bdamomma Nov 2017 #246

Roy Moore is not being investigated or prosecuted. hay rick Nov 2017 #29

Why do you think ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #34

Agree, though I am concerned about a potential spooky3 Nov 2017 #51

Law enforcement and security at a mall took precautions on Roy Moore RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #55

Yes actually Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #56

Have I missed Roy Moore calling for a complete investigation into himself? And the women remaining adigal Nov 2017 #126

Yes. I am starting to get fatigue from this stuff treestar Nov 2017 #216

Exactly ghostsinthemachine Nov 2017 #37

Agreed pandr32 Nov 2017 #79

so the right wing had to go the anonymous route. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #173

Yes. These are just made up out of whole cloth. treestar Nov 2017 #212

Toast Beakybird Nov 2017 #6

Not happening...so sorry to disappoint you don't feed the GOP they just want more and more. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #174

Something smells fishy to me. If I am wrong, I will be THE FIRST to admit. pangaia Nov 2017 #7

Total BS aeromanKC Nov 2017 #8

Sorry. Stonepounder Nov 2017 #9

The women at the fair ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #16

At the time it happened or recently? n/t Stonepounder Nov 2017 #18

At the time it happened ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #20

Seems like she said it as a joke, since she was replying to a comment about Franken touching her. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #123

Why are you supporting Moore? rockfordfile Nov 2017 #157

Let's see that FB post, then. icymist Nov 2017 #21

Anyone could say the same about Moore too ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #27

Menz sounds like she's joking. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #125

Show the time-stamped screen grab of her saying he groped her, not some words. brush Nov 2017 #138

Yes. Why wouldnt she have posted her accusation at the same spooky3 Nov 2017 #254

No one has seen the alleged Facebook post riverwalker Nov 2017 #58

No I read the post...it was a bullshit post where here sister said there wasn't a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #175

Yes. You've absolutely nailed it. K&R. brush Nov 2017 #136

Im crying. :( riverwalker Nov 2017 #11

Why did Franken do this to two anonymous women? Who won't give their names? adigal Nov 2017 #122

I'm not. I would be if there were names and stories that had any verifiable elements. Squinch Nov 2017 #169

I don't believe it and the other thing that those who pile on do is alway bring up Clinton... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #176

This is part of a Roger Stone hit Dopers_Greed Nov 2017 #12

I want Franken to hang in there until his charges reach the level of Trump or Moore. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #40

I don't believe it. Period. I draw the line here. I simply do not believe this. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #14

Anonymous accusers who only tell anonymous others what happened? icymist Nov 2017 #19

This does seem to be the first anonymous accusation by anyone Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #30

When you're down to anonymous accusations.... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #62

:( sakabatou Nov 2017 #22

nice hitjob but it was a fail like the last one ....... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #26

The article was written by two left-wing journalists, Zachary Roth and Jenavieve Hatch oberliner Nov 2017 #35

Good for them. RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #63

Presumably the reporters checked out the story before publishing it oberliner Nov 2017 #67

And Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #167

Trey Parker and Matt Stone wrote Book of Mormon oberliner Nov 2017 #230

Lol. Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #237

Even you have to agree that an unverifiable story from anonymous accusers is a little specious. Squinch Nov 2017 #172

The second accuser gave her name oberliner Nov 2017 #231

you always take the bait ! stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #227

"The women are lying" is your position? oberliner Nov 2017 #232

IT"S about net neutrality ..... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #245

I Don't Believe it videohead5 Nov 2017 #33

Doesn't anyone get the feeling that there is some sort of pattern in the Historic NY Nov 2017 #36

So what is your theory here? oberliner Nov 2017 #38

Frankens got a big mouth Historic NY Nov 2017 #45

He embarrassed the AG into perjuring himself. RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #61

And they need to take the heat off their own: Moore and Trump, and others pandr32 Nov 2017 #81

It's pretty obvious. Roger Stone, Hannity involved, and now anonymous sources. Give me a break. brush Nov 2017 #141

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN, a kennedy Nov 2017 #41

I guess Roger Stone was right... BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #48

I've seldom seen such total bullshit flotsam Nov 2017 #50

Seconded n/t Strelnikov_ Nov 2017 #139

I think there are various shades of grey HeiressofBickworth Nov 2017 #53

Franken is a former TV comic, and I imagine people expect him to be funny. ucrdem Nov 2017 #54

I will wait for further info.... dhill926 Nov 2017 #57

Hit job from the vast right wing conspiracy mountain grammy Nov 2017 #59

I soooooooooooooo hope youre right..... a kennedy Nov 2017 #65

Do you remember the original context of that quote? oberliner Nov 2017 #72

Wow. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #80

Do you remember? Were you alive in 1998? oberliner Nov 2017 #84

Lordy was I alive. I knew Bill had done it from the start. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #86

I agree oberliner Nov 2017 #89

Whitewater, I believe mountain grammy Nov 2017 #87

Hillary was being asked about Lewinsky by Matt Lauer oberliner Nov 2017 #90

So, do you think Hillary was wrong? mountain grammy Nov 2017 #159

The right-wing was conspiring to bring down the Clintons oberliner Nov 2017 #162

The accusations may or may not be lies mountain grammy Nov 2017 #247

Monica Lewinsky. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #153

I will believe it if and only if they are willing to testify under oath in front of the committee alarimer Nov 2017 #64

The reporters must have found them to be credible oberliner Nov 2017 #69

Yeah, the Huffington Post, not really a real news outlet. alarimer Nov 2017 #71

I don't know about that....I could call anonymously and say Trump did something to me years ago adigal Nov 2017 #127

Not so fast. The reporter didn't report the incidents when they happened so you can't use that line. brush Nov 2017 #143

No, they want the story and the pubicity...come forward or go away... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #177

Accusations alone should never count for anything treestar Nov 2017 #219

everybody!! the key here is bluestarone Nov 2017 #68

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #70

Roy Moore is accused of something significantly worse than what Franken is accused of oberliner Nov 2017 #76

And that is irrelevant. VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #83

Hey, shut up, and what the hell are you doing here??? a kennedy Nov 2017 #77

True and true but VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #85

You don't know that yet about Al. The first two accusers' stories fell apart pretty fast, so now... brush Nov 2017 #146

All the women who have worked with him over the years never experienced this pandr32 Nov 2017 #75

I tend to agree, especially since the first photo evidence that came out was bullshit groundloop Nov 2017 #88

What if the first accusation had never happened? No media reporting--nada. pandr32 Nov 2017 #158

In fairness angrychair Nov 2017 #78

And now they do it anonymously. LisaL Nov 2017 #91

You could say "I have never deliberately placed my hand on a stranger's backside" oberliner Nov 2017 #93

You could say that but it wouldn't convince anyone. hay rick Nov 2017 #94

Not if you are sensitive to the fact that women accusers in general have not been spooky3 Nov 2017 #104

yup, just take Trump as evidence JI7 Nov 2017 #117

And Cosby, and Moore... spooky3 Nov 2017 #118

Anonymous accusations should be discounted adigal Nov 2017 #121

I want more evidence before I can believe thid Vogon_Glory Nov 2017 #92

Butt touching bad. Moore's sexual assault & predating on teens much much more serious. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #95

HuffPo is not a court of law, nor a select committee on ethics, nor is DU or the media. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #96

Is it Buttghazi or Bumghazi? hay rick Nov 2017 #97

How would it be possible for this to be proven? oberliner Nov 2017 #98

Precisely. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #101

Equally impossible to disprove the allegations. hay rick Nov 2017 #102

Here is what I look for in this sort of accusation. Stonepounder Nov 2017 #144

Well you posted about it on social media near the time, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #149

One of the new accusers told the reporter about it contemporaneously. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #154

I don't buy that...reporters want attention...come forward of be quiet ...these two knew that this Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #179

Okay...so here is your theory: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #186

I don't give credence to anonymous accusers...and this guy also gave Spacey a pass on his Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #190

The reporter of the piece corroborated that one of the accusers told him about the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #192

"Corroboration" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #200

So he knew about groping accusations concerning a sitting Senator Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #236

sorry don't listen to anonymous sources, and I have no doubt the reported either has an agenda Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #253

Alabama police chief suspended after joking Doug Jones groped him oberliner Nov 2017 #163

How easy would it be for "O'Queef" or another of Gannon's stooges to be behind this kind of crap? brewens Nov 2017 #103

Presumably the reporters checked out the story before publishing it oberliner Nov 2017 #108

Presuming too much? Vogon_Glory Nov 2017 #111

The article was written by Zachary Roth and Jenavieve Hatch (they are not conservatives) oberliner Nov 2017 #114

The fact they're not conservatives keeps being cited as some sort of clincher. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #128

"Id like their stories verified (And not by the likes of Alex Jones, Lila Rose, and James 0Keefe)" oberliner Nov 2017 #129

There it is again: two journalists with plausible ulterior motives, as I outlined above. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #135

Under your theory, the reporter of the piece would be guilty of actual malice. He would be a liar VermontKevin Nov 2017 #155

Under your theory, judging by your frantic constant posting on your GD OP, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #197

Why would you presume that? I wouldn't presume that. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #180

HuffPost spoke to two sources close to the first woman who corroborated her account. oberliner Nov 2017 #198

LOL treestar Nov 2017 #218

Innocent until proven Snackshack Nov 2017 #107

Ahhh shit. Lil Missy Nov 2017 #110

It is really quite simple folks, whether the accusers come out or not, Al Franken needs to come out still_one Nov 2017 #112

I am not sure about that. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #181

I think I understand your concerns, but I do not think the press is going to let this story go away, still_one Nov 2017 #193

I would have given Al the benefit of the doubt True Dough Nov 2017 #203

I don't believe for a minute Congress is going to do an ethics investigation on him. I suspect they still_one Nov 2017 #206

Professing innocence is not some kind of magic talisman. Demit Nov 2017 #229

Did I write "magic talisman?" True Dough Nov 2017 #233

LOL no, but you now write that Franken has integrity & credibility, but that's not enough for you Demit Nov 2017 #234

Just one statement, not a "boxing match" True Dough Nov 2017 #235

But don't you see? Your suggested denial isn't a flat-out categorical denial, Demit Nov 2017 #242

Well, I hope you're right True Dough Nov 2017 #243

"Spoke on condition of anonymity" Akoto Nov 2017 #113

Law enforcement? oberliner Nov 2017 #115

So far as I'm concerned... Akoto Nov 2017 #116

With a time machine, apparently. Your theory requires the use of one. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #152

I read the post...it was bullshit... the sister comments on how close the two were Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #182

Ahem. You are referencing the wrong accuser. Which points to the fact that now, there's VermontKevin Nov 2017 #187

Baloney there are two-neither are credible...and let's just say that you seem very invested Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #189

There are 4. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #191

There are two...anonymous sources don't count...and please the story reads like junior high Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #194

Well, they say there's a Donald Trump tweet for every holiday: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #195

I don't give credence to anonymous accusations adigal Nov 2017 #120

What about Lindsay Menz? oberliner Nov 2017 #130

I don't disbelieve her...the first woman, she was humping another actor on stage, grabbed his but adigal Nov 2017 #132

I believe only parts of what each one said, and will spooky3 Nov 2017 #255

Another dozen and or so and he'll start to approach Trump territory Orrex Nov 2017 #133

It is my belief MFM008 Nov 2017 #137

Is this all there is? DeminPennswoods Nov 2017 #140

Sorry...I'm suspicious of all of this... RealityChik Nov 2017 #142

I agree with you. Just a little suspicious at bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #148

I met Al many years ago gay texan Nov 2017 #150

Thank you mountain grammy Nov 2017 #161

Why doesn't somebody ask these women what Al should do -- resign, stay or ??? Freelancer Nov 2017 #151

They are not 'injured' parties but most likely right wing plants...so no we won't do that... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #183

I am usually the first to defend women in this position. But there are no women to support Squinch Nov 2017 #164

I agree...and the first two were clearly righty plants. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #185

The reporter of the piece corroborated that one of the accusers told him about the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #188

Another Franken post...and anonymous sources...sorry you want to accuse someone than come forward or Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #165

"Franken wouldnt stop looking at her chest" Demit Nov 2017 #178

It sounds like so much bullshit...embarrassed for those who call themselves progressive and fall for Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #184

"Donald Trump was 'obsessed with translator's breasts' during Shinzo Abe visit" oberliner Nov 2017 #201

I'm waiting for the next round of accusations: "Al Franken undressed me with his eyes!" Demit Nov 2017 #204

The Franken accusations are low on the seriousness scale oberliner Nov 2017 #205

I think the women should tell their stories in the context of a formal investigation. Demit Nov 2017 #223

yep they are really grasping questionseverything Nov 2017 #258

Bandwagon rtracey Nov 2017 #199

They spoke to reporters from the Huffington Post oberliner Nov 2017 #202

Accountability. Responsibility. ...Anonymity? Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #207

at this point is bluestarone Nov 2017 #208

That standard that if there are a lot of accusers treestar Nov 2017 #211

Looking more like a hit job all the time. Exultant Democracy Nov 2017 #241

Al Franken hasn't broken any laws pfitz59 Nov 2017 #248