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145. Yes, they will. We should stop helping them out.

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Thu Nov 23, 2017, 01:35 AM

Nov 2017

There is no reason for us to say things like he is toast or he should resign.

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Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken Of Inappropriate Touching [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

yeah, fuck this... dhill926 Nov 2017 #1

He's toast! VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #2

I don't care... FarPoint Nov 2017 #17

...because its okay if hes on our side? brooklynite Nov 2017 #23

I do not support late claims of whining... FarPoint Nov 2017 #25

What a reprehensible point of view True Dough Nov 2017 #39

You are investing into way too much drama... FarPoint Nov 2017 #42

I wish you could walk a mile in those women's shoes True Dough Nov 2017 #46

As a woman... FarPoint Nov 2017 #49

Good for you True Dough Nov 2017 #60

I know many women who do lack the confidence in confrontation... FarPoint Nov 2017 #215

I disagree, no surprise True Dough Nov 2017 #222

I believe your posts show a level-headed assessment of the situation rock Nov 2017 #209

Yes, and thank you... Secondly... FarPoint Nov 2017 #210

right...they are more than likely rightie Fox girls...we don't know since they won't go on the Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #166

Here's the problem with your theory True Dough Nov 2017 #196

Everybody has the right to confront their accuser. Demit Nov 2017 #225

He says he didn't remember it that way and he doesn't remember the picture and why should he? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #252

We'll see how this turns out True Dough Nov 2017 #259

Right pure but in the minority...I don't have to have purity...I need to win...and I will not dance Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #260

Walking a mile in their shoes for me treestar Nov 2017 #213

Why isn't Franken saying that? True Dough Nov 2017 #220

he is not the accuser treestar Nov 2017 #221

Laughable True Dough Nov 2017 #224

Well it does treestar Nov 2017 #238

"He may not have time to deny it." True Dough Nov 2017 #239

Someone in a supermarket can prove it treestar Nov 2017 #249

But they haven't "summoned the courage" to come forward, cause they are anonymous adigal Nov 2017 #119

YES! SkyDaddy7 Nov 2017 #44

Not believing it is different from defending it treestar Nov 2017 #214

If Moore gets into the Senate, Franken should stay question everything Nov 2017 #106

"Them" being the women he is accused of groping? Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #160

Sorry, no. "Then" - the Republicans. question everything Nov 2017 #226

So - sit in the back of the bus and wait your turn, because it is not politically convenient Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #244

Franken should stay regardless and run in 2020...it is a gift to the other side when a sitting Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #168

It will be up to the voters of Minnesota and I don't know what their mood will be question everything Nov 2017 #228

We barely won that seat so folks should layoff of Franken unless they want a right wing court. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #250

I don't care that you don't care. VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #66

Sorry to see that you get caught up in the accusation phase... FarPoint Nov 2017 #74

Because of anonymous claims?? I am going to call the news and make an anonymous claim against Trump adigal Nov 2017 #124

NO, HE IS NOT! bitterross Nov 2017 #31

No but the Repugnants will try to make it an issue in order to protect Moore and Donald so Franken cstanleytech Nov 2017 #131

Yes, they will. We should stop helping them out. bitterross Nov 2017 #145

Relax, even if they wanted Donald to resign Donalds ego is to big for him to take Franken up cstanleytech Nov 2017 #147

Anonymous accusations won't carry any weight in an investigation. pnwmom Nov 2017 #52

No I Think the whole damn thing is a set up INdemo Nov 2017 #73

I do too and usual folks are calling for a Democrat's head. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #170

Exactly, why don't they want him to have a fair shake treestar Nov 2017 #217

They hate Democrats...and they are sneaking in digs at Bill Clinton as well. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #251

Keep dreaming tenderfoot Nov 2017 #240

Oh, hell. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #3

I'm not sure I buy these two dflprincess Nov 2017 #105

So far they're anonymous, claiming fear of being hassled on social media. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #109

When it is someone you respect highly... nycbos Nov 2017 #4

Yes, more of a disappointment and he should have known better. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #24

don't fall for it questionseverything Nov 2017 #256

I am still on the fence. The truth will come out. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #257

Really...if you say so...it makes me give them the benefit of the doubt...we know the first two Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #171

The ones with names and pictures went down in flames. hay rick Nov 2017 #5

I just wait for due process delisen Nov 2017 #10

Agree. hay rick Nov 2017 #13

Due process ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #15

Roy Moore is accused of child molestation delisen Nov 2017 #28

You are changing the subject ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #32

Are you sure that you are not lost? Thor_MN Nov 2017 #43

Don't wait up for a reply. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #47

I won't. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #99

Some folks certainly seem heavily invested in whipping this up tonight, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #100

You asked me a question. I answered it delisen Nov 2017 #82

The 14-year-old is not anonymous. Big difference. Let these anonymous women come forward brush Nov 2017 #134

They are not the same. Moore and Trump are scumbags rockfordfile Nov 2017 #156

I agree also bdamomma Nov 2017 #246

Roy Moore is not being investigated or prosecuted. hay rick Nov 2017 #29

Why do you think ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #34

Agree, though I am concerned about a potential spooky3 Nov 2017 #51

Law enforcement and security at a mall took precautions on Roy Moore RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #55

Yes actually Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #56

Have I missed Roy Moore calling for a complete investigation into himself? And the women remaining adigal Nov 2017 #126

Yes. I am starting to get fatigue from this stuff treestar Nov 2017 #216

Exactly ghostsinthemachine Nov 2017 #37

Agreed pandr32 Nov 2017 #79

so the right wing had to go the anonymous route. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #173

Yes. These are just made up out of whole cloth. treestar Nov 2017 #212

Toast Beakybird Nov 2017 #6

Not happening...so sorry to disappoint you don't feed the GOP they just want more and more. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #174

Something smells fishy to me. If I am wrong, I will be THE FIRST to admit. pangaia Nov 2017 #7

Total BS aeromanKC Nov 2017 #8

Sorry. Stonepounder Nov 2017 #9

The women at the fair ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #16

At the time it happened or recently? n/t Stonepounder Nov 2017 #18

At the time it happened ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #20

Seems like she said it as a joke, since she was replying to a comment about Franken touching her. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #123

Why are you supporting Moore? rockfordfile Nov 2017 #157

Let's see that FB post, then. icymist Nov 2017 #21

Anyone could say the same about Moore too ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #27

Menz sounds like she's joking. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #125

Show the time-stamped screen grab of her saying he groped her, not some words. brush Nov 2017 #138

Yes. Why wouldnt she have posted her accusation at the same spooky3 Nov 2017 #254

No one has seen the alleged Facebook post riverwalker Nov 2017 #58

No I read the post...it was a bullshit post where here sister said there wasn't a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #175

Yes. You've absolutely nailed it. K&R. brush Nov 2017 #136

Im crying. :( riverwalker Nov 2017 #11

Why did Franken do this to two anonymous women? Who won't give their names? adigal Nov 2017 #122

I'm not. I would be if there were names and stories that had any verifiable elements. Squinch Nov 2017 #169

I don't believe it and the other thing that those who pile on do is alway bring up Clinton... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #176

This is part of a Roger Stone hit Dopers_Greed Nov 2017 #12

I want Franken to hang in there until his charges reach the level of Trump or Moore. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #40

I don't believe it. Period. I draw the line here. I simply do not believe this. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #14

Anonymous accusers who only tell anonymous others what happened? icymist Nov 2017 #19

This does seem to be the first anonymous accusation by anyone Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #30

When you're down to anonymous accusations.... RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #62

:( sakabatou Nov 2017 #22

nice hitjob but it was a fail like the last one ....... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #26

The article was written by two left-wing journalists, Zachary Roth and Jenavieve Hatch oberliner Nov 2017 #35

Good for them. RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #63

Presumably the reporters checked out the story before publishing it oberliner Nov 2017 #67

And Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #167

Trey Parker and Matt Stone wrote Book of Mormon oberliner Nov 2017 #230

Lol. Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #237

Even you have to agree that an unverifiable story from anonymous accusers is a little specious. Squinch Nov 2017 #172

The second accuser gave her name oberliner Nov 2017 #231

you always take the bait ! stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #227

"The women are lying" is your position? oberliner Nov 2017 #232

IT"S about net neutrality ..... stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #245

I Don't Believe it videohead5 Nov 2017 #33

Doesn't anyone get the feeling that there is some sort of pattern in the Historic NY Nov 2017 #36

So what is your theory here? oberliner Nov 2017 #38

Frankens got a big mouth Historic NY Nov 2017 #45

He embarrassed the AG into perjuring himself. RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #61

And they need to take the heat off their own: Moore and Trump, and others pandr32 Nov 2017 #81

It's pretty obvious. Roger Stone, Hannity involved, and now anonymous sources. Give me a break. brush Nov 2017 #141

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN, a kennedy Nov 2017 #41

I guess Roger Stone was right... BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #48

I've seldom seen such total bullshit flotsam Nov 2017 #50

Seconded n/t Strelnikov_ Nov 2017 #139

I think there are various shades of grey HeiressofBickworth Nov 2017 #53

Franken is a former TV comic, and I imagine people expect him to be funny. ucrdem Nov 2017 #54

I will wait for further info.... dhill926 Nov 2017 #57

Hit job from the vast right wing conspiracy mountain grammy Nov 2017 #59

I soooooooooooooo hope youre right..... a kennedy Nov 2017 #65

Do you remember the original context of that quote? oberliner Nov 2017 #72

Wow. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #80

Do you remember? Were you alive in 1998? oberliner Nov 2017 #84

Lordy was I alive. I knew Bill had done it from the start. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #86

I agree oberliner Nov 2017 #89

Whitewater, I believe mountain grammy Nov 2017 #87

Hillary was being asked about Lewinsky by Matt Lauer oberliner Nov 2017 #90

So, do you think Hillary was wrong? mountain grammy Nov 2017 #159

The right-wing was conspiring to bring down the Clintons oberliner Nov 2017 #162

The accusations may or may not be lies mountain grammy Nov 2017 #247

Monica Lewinsky. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #153

I will believe it if and only if they are willing to testify under oath in front of the committee alarimer Nov 2017 #64

The reporters must have found them to be credible oberliner Nov 2017 #69

Yeah, the Huffington Post, not really a real news outlet. alarimer Nov 2017 #71

I don't know about that....I could call anonymously and say Trump did something to me years ago adigal Nov 2017 #127

Not so fast. The reporter didn't report the incidents when they happened so you can't use that line. brush Nov 2017 #143

No, they want the story and the pubicity...come forward or go away... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #177

Accusations alone should never count for anything treestar Nov 2017 #219

everybody!! the key here is bluestarone Nov 2017 #68

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #70

Roy Moore is accused of something significantly worse than what Franken is accused of oberliner Nov 2017 #76

And that is irrelevant. VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #83

Hey, shut up, and what the hell are you doing here??? a kennedy Nov 2017 #77

True and true but VMA131Marine Nov 2017 #85

You don't know that yet about Al. The first two accusers' stories fell apart pretty fast, so now... brush Nov 2017 #146

All the women who have worked with him over the years never experienced this pandr32 Nov 2017 #75

I tend to agree, especially since the first photo evidence that came out was bullshit groundloop Nov 2017 #88

What if the first accusation had never happened? No media reporting--nada. pandr32 Nov 2017 #158

In fairness angrychair Nov 2017 #78

And now they do it anonymously. LisaL Nov 2017 #91

You could say "I have never deliberately placed my hand on a stranger's backside" oberliner Nov 2017 #93

You could say that but it wouldn't convince anyone. hay rick Nov 2017 #94

Not if you are sensitive to the fact that women accusers in general have not been spooky3 Nov 2017 #104

yup, just take Trump as evidence JI7 Nov 2017 #117

And Cosby, and Moore... spooky3 Nov 2017 #118

Anonymous accusations should be discounted adigal Nov 2017 #121

I want more evidence before I can believe thid Vogon_Glory Nov 2017 #92

Butt touching bad. Moore's sexual assault & predating on teens much much more serious. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #95

HuffPo is not a court of law, nor a select committee on ethics, nor is DU or the media. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #96

Is it Buttghazi or Bumghazi? hay rick Nov 2017 #97

How would it be possible for this to be proven? oberliner Nov 2017 #98

Precisely. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #101

Equally impossible to disprove the allegations. hay rick Nov 2017 #102

Here is what I look for in this sort of accusation. Stonepounder Nov 2017 #144

Well you posted about it on social media near the time, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #149

One of the new accusers told the reporter about it contemporaneously. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #154

I don't buy that...reporters want attention...come forward of be quiet ...these two knew that this Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #179

Okay...so here is your theory: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #186

I don't give credence to anonymous accusers...and this guy also gave Spacey a pass on his Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #190

The reporter of the piece corroborated that one of the accusers told him about the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #192

"Corroboration" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #200

So he knew about groping accusations concerning a sitting Senator Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #236

sorry don't listen to anonymous sources, and I have no doubt the reported either has an agenda Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #253

Alabama police chief suspended after joking Doug Jones groped him oberliner Nov 2017 #163

How easy would it be for "O'Queef" or another of Gannon's stooges to be behind this kind of crap? brewens Nov 2017 #103

Presumably the reporters checked out the story before publishing it oberliner Nov 2017 #108

Presuming too much? Vogon_Glory Nov 2017 #111

The article was written by Zachary Roth and Jenavieve Hatch (they are not conservatives) oberliner Nov 2017 #114

The fact they're not conservatives keeps being cited as some sort of clincher. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #128

"Id like their stories verified (And not by the likes of Alex Jones, Lila Rose, and James 0Keefe)" oberliner Nov 2017 #129

There it is again: two journalists with plausible ulterior motives, as I outlined above. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #135

Under your theory, the reporter of the piece would be guilty of actual malice. He would be a liar VermontKevin Nov 2017 #155

Under your theory, judging by your frantic constant posting on your GD OP, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #197

Why would you presume that? I wouldn't presume that. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #180

HuffPost spoke to two sources close to the first woman who corroborated her account. oberliner Nov 2017 #198

LOL treestar Nov 2017 #218

Innocent until proven Snackshack Nov 2017 #107

Ahhh shit. Lil Missy Nov 2017 #110

It is really quite simple folks, whether the accusers come out or not, Al Franken needs to come out still_one Nov 2017 #112

I am not sure about that. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #181

I think I understand your concerns, but I do not think the press is going to let this story go away, still_one Nov 2017 #193

I would have given Al the benefit of the doubt True Dough Nov 2017 #203

I don't believe for a minute Congress is going to do an ethics investigation on him. I suspect they still_one Nov 2017 #206

Professing innocence is not some kind of magic talisman. Demit Nov 2017 #229

Did I write "magic talisman?" True Dough Nov 2017 #233

LOL no, but you now write that Franken has integrity & credibility, but that's not enough for you Demit Nov 2017 #234

Just one statement, not a "boxing match" True Dough Nov 2017 #235

But don't you see? Your suggested denial isn't a flat-out categorical denial, Demit Nov 2017 #242

Well, I hope you're right True Dough Nov 2017 #243

"Spoke on condition of anonymity" Akoto Nov 2017 #113

Law enforcement? oberliner Nov 2017 #115

So far as I'm concerned... Akoto Nov 2017 #116

With a time machine, apparently. Your theory requires the use of one. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #152

I read the post...it was bullshit... the sister comments on how close the two were Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #182

Ahem. You are referencing the wrong accuser. Which points to the fact that now, there's VermontKevin Nov 2017 #187

Baloney there are two-neither are credible...and let's just say that you seem very invested Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #189

There are 4. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #191

There are two...anonymous sources don't count...and please the story reads like junior high Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #194

Well, they say there's a Donald Trump tweet for every holiday: VermontKevin Nov 2017 #195

I don't give credence to anonymous accusations adigal Nov 2017 #120

What about Lindsay Menz? oberliner Nov 2017 #130

I don't disbelieve her...the first woman, she was humping another actor on stage, grabbed his but adigal Nov 2017 #132

I believe only parts of what each one said, and will spooky3 Nov 2017 #255

Another dozen and or so and he'll start to approach Trump territory Orrex Nov 2017 #133

It is my belief MFM008 Nov 2017 #137

Is this all there is? DeminPennswoods Nov 2017 #140

Sorry...I'm suspicious of all of this... RealityChik Nov 2017 #142

I agree with you. Just a little suspicious at bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #148

I met Al many years ago gay texan Nov 2017 #150

Thank you mountain grammy Nov 2017 #161

Why doesn't somebody ask these women what Al should do -- resign, stay or ??? Freelancer Nov 2017 #151

They are not 'injured' parties but most likely right wing plants...so no we won't do that... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #183

I am usually the first to defend women in this position. But there are no women to support Squinch Nov 2017 #164

I agree...and the first two were clearly righty plants. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #185

The reporter of the piece corroborated that one of the accusers told him about the incident VermontKevin Nov 2017 #188

Another Franken post...and anonymous sources...sorry you want to accuse someone than come forward or Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #165

"Franken wouldnt stop looking at her chest" Demit Nov 2017 #178

It sounds like so much bullshit...embarrassed for those who call themselves progressive and fall for Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #184

"Donald Trump was 'obsessed with translator's breasts' during Shinzo Abe visit" oberliner Nov 2017 #201

I'm waiting for the next round of accusations: "Al Franken undressed me with his eyes!" Demit Nov 2017 #204

The Franken accusations are low on the seriousness scale oberliner Nov 2017 #205

I think the women should tell their stories in the context of a formal investigation. Demit Nov 2017 #223

yep they are really grasping questionseverything Nov 2017 #258

Bandwagon rtracey Nov 2017 #199

They spoke to reporters from the Huffington Post oberliner Nov 2017 #202

Accountability. Responsibility. ...Anonymity? Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #207

at this point is bluestarone Nov 2017 #208

That standard that if there are a lot of accusers treestar Nov 2017 #211

Looking more like a hit job all the time. Exultant Democracy Nov 2017 #241

Al Franken hasn't broken any laws pfitz59 Nov 2017 #248