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88. I didn't see it that way.

Thu Nov 30, 2017, 12:00 PM

Nov 2017

Leaders lead... which sometimes means putting forth new ideas. I didn't see him attacking the democratic party. I saw him standing for ideals and values that resonated with a huge demographic, including me. I thought he made a valuable contribution to the democratic party's platform in the end, too. After the primaries, I threw my full support to Hillary and I would vote for her again today.

I didn't see his candidacy like you described it. I just looked at RCP to remind myself how many people voted for Bernie and it says 12 million people voted for him (16 milliion voted for Hillary). So, hostility to Bernie voters seems short-sighted for the future of the democratic party.

I always thought the hostility that a few here at DU had toward Bernie was not conducive to finding where their policies overlapped. I'm sharing my experience because I know a small sample size of democrats who were turned off by the overt hostility shown them.

I think if we are serious about expanding the democratic party to include even more of those 12 million voters, it helps to consider whether we are using language that insults or attracts. That's why I shared my experience... for those who might think it is valuable.

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Millennial poll: Strong majority want a third political party [View all] DonViejo Nov 2017 OP

We need to pay attention to this. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #1

You're damn right, loyalty always must be earned, and no one can be shamed into it. n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #17

A third party guarantees the continued election of Republicans. we have a two party system... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #69

I am not the one advocating for a third party. The Whigs were once part of a two party system Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #86

That was a different time... I doubt it could happen now. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #87

four parties would be the sanest agincourt Nov 2017 #105

No, look at the UK with multiple parties...they have elected conservatives for more than a decade... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #120

You need a preferential or proportional voting system to get other Parties playing MargfromTassie Dec 2017 #139

Except that isn't the way our Constitution radical noodle Dec 2017 #143

Ding ding ding ding ding agincourt Dec 2017 #147

True in some ways but agincourt Dec 2017 #148

When I see proof the leftynyc Nov 2017 #34

Young people are the future of our party and I think we need to listen to them seriously. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #37

I'll take them seriously leftynyc Nov 2017 #41

Young people have huge college debt, lack of good jobs. They have issues that are important to them Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #42

I do listen to them leftynyc Nov 2017 #45

+1000 kwalter66 Nov 2017 #49

And this post is how I see why Im not welcome in to the Democratic Party. Neoma Nov 2017 #100

Yawwwwwnnnnn leftynyc Nov 2017 #104

You're doing a great job of driving young people away from the Democrats muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #107

Spare me the drama leftynyc Dec 2017 #112

Your insults aren't 'numbers', and numbers don't back up insults. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #115

Yawwwwwnnnnnn leftynyc Dec 2017 #116

I'm already in the democratic party. Neoma Nov 2017 #108

I don't think ANYBODY leftynyc Dec 2017 #113

If everyone in the democrat party is like you. Neoma Dec 2017 #114

How many joined the Bernie movement and how many actually voted? brooklynite Nov 2017 #80

Good BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #2

Exactly! KPN Nov 2017 #26

They have to vote for better results. I'm very disgusted Hortensis Nov 2017 #48

I have been saying that for years: The US needs to move away from a Two-Party-system. DetlefK Nov 2017 #3

That's what my three 30-something kids tell me all the time. KPN Nov 2017 #27

It can't happen. We have a two party system...and look at May in the UK...they Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70

Except our election laws favor a two-party system. tinrobot Dec 2017 #135

As America cleans house bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #4

I think that is key, making the agenda more progressive. Far too often IMO some dem candidates RKP5637 Nov 2017 #77

Pointless poll results without knowing *why* they want a "third party" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #5

Exactly. brer cat Nov 2017 #18

The Democratic Party needs to address this FakeNoose Nov 2017 #6

This hate radio (fox news tv) is the root cause. This is what needs to change. lancelyons Nov 2017 #20

Exactly moda253 Nov 2017 #35

I see a couple of problems with this way of thinking..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2017 #122

I see this as an expected result after the endless attacks on the Democratic Party from the right Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72

Third parties lordsummerisle Nov 2017 #7

Exactly, although I wouldn't object if we had an instant run off system. TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #33

We have a two-party system. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #8

Then we need to tell these people why they should vote for Democrats. Ace Rothstein Nov 2017 #10

LOL! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #11

Here you go. brer cat Nov 2017 #21

This. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #29

I think the party platform is great. Ace Rothstein Nov 2017 #43

What kwalter66 Nov 2017 #50

When we did, we were accused of promoting "identity politics," ehrnst Nov 2017 #98

Yup...that type of thinking leads to "they're all the same..they're just as bad" BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #25

Agreed! It's a very Sarandonesque type of thinking, and she's definitely... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #30

thanks for the PS....and yet SS seems to speak for a minor, vocal, disconted group. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #32

I have zero patience for leftynyc Nov 2017 #36

There is this thing called a platform. ehrnst Nov 2017 #97

Insightful BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #13

Not really, but thanks anyway. Sadly... it needed to be said. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #15

Just the truth. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #99

I'd like to see the republican party split up into factions IronLionZion Nov 2017 #9

DU this is a warning! rainin Nov 2017 #12

we support 95+% of his message moda253 Nov 2017 #39

I have been very happy at DU rainin Nov 2017 #46

maybe kwalter66 Nov 2017 #51

How condescending you are rainin Nov 2017 #57

I don't see why...anyone has to conform to you or Your son's opinion...we discuss here. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73

It is fine to have disagreements. rainin Nov 2017 #76

Maybe if Bernie stopped attacking the democratic party moda253 Nov 2017 #82

I didn't see it that way. rainin Nov 2017 #88

Agreed. Well said. Owl Dec 2017 #145

Excuse me. moda253 Nov 2017 #81

Agreed, either adapt or die Kimchijeon Nov 2017 #44

Wait Hillary was slightly less bad than Donald Trump moda253 Nov 2017 #83

Probably going to need to be a different website harun Nov 2017 #85

I recently heard Katty Kay, who is the BBC America lead anchor, PatrickforO Nov 2017 #14

The ones I know are going libertarian n/t Kilgore Nov 2017 #16

Then they're morons leftynyc Nov 2017 #38

Then they are stupid. Libertarians are worse than Republicans. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #90

Remarkably consistent data across racial lines. That too is noteworthy n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2017 #19

I wonder how Millennials would react to BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #22

How is this conservative? sheshe2 Nov 2017 #31

Have you read the 1968 Democratic Platform? BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #63

Answer my question. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #64

Answer my Question ? Bullshit. BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #94

There won't be a third party if they sit on their ass. LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #23

Proof that we need more math and Civics classes in public schools. Gore1FL Nov 2017 #24

Another false equivalency push poll, where 31% in that poll didn't even bother to vote in the still_one Nov 2017 #28

+1 brer cat Nov 2017 #47

GOP may end, no longer be a party. Dems may split into two parties. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #40

I fail to see how you arrive at this conclusion. The GOP has held the House through a gerrymander Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #91

They're dying out fast. 8 more years and ileus Dec 2017 #138

Millennials proving once again that they don't understand the US political system Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #52

The Dem party needs new leaders yesterday. awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #53

Heresy! Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2017 #60

Those who abandoned Pres. Obama doomed us to a gerrymandered minority...new leaders Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #89

I will gladly stop criticizing them when they stop habitually losing. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #109

Gerrymander....think about it... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #118

That is just an excuse to absolve the current leadership of responsibility. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #124

Ah yes the Democratic savior...we must find one. A Roosevelt sort of leader where he saves the day, Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #74

y'know..they need to know how to act in...and understand.. a two party system before they go samnsara Nov 2017 #54

We don't need another party. We need 3 things: PJMcK Nov 2017 #55

You can't get elected without money...one of the reasons we lost the past eight years Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #75

Yup! Magoo48 Nov 2017 #56

Then they need to get off their spoiled asses and form one Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #58

Yes! That's a great message. This should be the central theme of our program to pull them into our Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #67

.. but the slacktivists won't get out and do anything about it. n/t X_Digger Nov 2017 #59

There already are third parties. JI7 Nov 2017 #61

True. Thank.you for pointing that out. SharonClark Nov 2017 #65

It had better be a far-right party then. sandensea Nov 2017 #62

Correct and this is why Russia invested in promoting third parties. moda253 Nov 2017 #84

Well we've done a great job so far alienating this generation. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #66

If having fucking Trump as president doesn't make them anxious to vote for the only party that can Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #71

If having fucking Trump as president doesn't make them anxious to vote for the only party that can Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #106

No ...they are too stupid to vote properly and will pay the price. No party is or ever will be Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #119

I agree. rainin Nov 2017 #79

How disrespected they are...curious phrase... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #93

I was very clear when I said a few rainin Nov 2017 #95

If you refer to those who didn't vote for Clinton in the General...I am hostile... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #121

Do they have to be coddled and offered presents? EllieBC Dec 2017 #110

political parties win by APPEALING to voters. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #111

Young people don't vote... Sancho Nov 2017 #68

Right workinclasszero Nov 2017 #92

this is essentially a push poll Mosby Nov 2017 #78

Didn't it say a third MAJOR political party?.... socialist_n_TN Dec 2017 #126

if millenials bothered to vote Mosby Dec 2017 #132

No strong third party Cold War Spook Nov 2017 #96

Now that the Kochs bought ownership in Meredith, their dream can come true Wwcd Nov 2017 #101

I've been saying a third party is inevitable for some time. tomp Nov 2017 #102

True progressive? Wwcd Nov 2017 #103

I think that the party has pressed the pause button. Neoma Dec 2017 #117

Let's see if we can't have a strong third party to take more votes away from Democrats louis c Dec 2017 #123

But what if the Republican Party completely collapses? Neoma Dec 2017 #129

There are a lot of hypotheticals that make sense louis c Dec 2017 #133

I haven't seen anybody on this thread set the results of this poll......... socialist_n_TN Dec 2017 #125

Good post. KPN Dec 2017 #141

Until Citizens United is over turned I don't care if you create 10 more parties moda253 Dec 2017 #127

Anyone who thinks third parties have a chance needs to watch this video... continentalop2 Dec 2017 #128

LOL do they think one will be provided treestar Dec 2017 #130

It is a real problem moda253 Dec 2017 #131

They can want it all they want Bradical79 Dec 2017 #134

I don't blame them Skittles Dec 2017 #136

We need to make these people realize WE ARE THE ONLY WAY. ileus Dec 2017 #137

Millennials are the future. They are KPN Dec 2017 #140

Millennial are the future. KPN Dec 2017 #142

Except "third party" does NOT work in US system. johnnyrocket Dec 2017 #144

So, could Ross Perot have won the 1992 election against Bush / Clinton? Calista241 Dec 2017 #146