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133. Really I was told by earnest Sanders supporter that this was not the case. However,

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:54 AM

Jan 2018

I believe that some who voted for Sanders in the primary never had any intention of voting for him in a general...they were mostly in open primary states and just causing trouble. These do not represent sincere Sanders voters.

As for the rust belt, Trump promised them jobs...nothing to do with Sen. Sanders. And pres. Clinton signed NAFTA ...still an issue here. The MidWest is hurting, they took a chance on something different and there are racial issues too. We just took a Wisconsin senate (legislature) seat that had been held by the GOP for 17 years! We won by 10 %...a 27% improvement over 16 so I think many in the rustbelt (I live in Ohio) now realize Trump is a grifter and a liar. Healthcare is a big issue too. The tax cut is hated here. Many in Cleveland and other cities pay high taxes and the state taxes deduction limitation has enraged folks who see a giveaway to the rich and a generally screwing of working people. Also, Paul Ryan's comments about Social Security and Medicare are not playing well here. Even with the gerrymander, we have a chance to takes GOP seats.

Those Sanders supporter who were sincere in their beliefs mostly came back in my opinion. And a higher number of Sanders supporters voted for Sec. Clinton in 16 than Clinton supporters for Obama in 08. As for those few who did not...a giant fuck you goes out. If you didn't vote for Sec Clinton when the only other realistic choice was Trump than you are not and never were progressive. Are you listening JPR...fuck you all.

"While much was made of the so-called Bernie-or-bust phenomenon, the number of Sanders supporters who crossed party lines to vote for Trump in 2016 may not be that unusual. A 2010 study in Public Opinion Quarterly found that in the 2008 election 25 percent of those who voted for Clinton in the Democratic primary ended up voting for Republican John McCain, rather than Barack Obama, in the general election."

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

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Former Sanders campaign chairman: Don't expect email list to be shared with DNC [View all] DonViejo Jan 2018 OP

Stop dividing the party Bernie! mchill Jan 2018 #1

Yep, and he shouldn't expect to be on Dem ballots either if there's no sharing. brush Jan 2018 #25

and NO DNC$ samnsara Jan 2018 #52

What if he runs as an Independent? He would receive many votes that would Sophia4 Jan 2018 #78

Who's scolding anyone but Sanders for not sharing his emails if... brush Jan 2018 #80

The entire argument is just silly. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #83

Seems like you have no idea how this started. brush Jan 2018 #84

Hopefully the Democratic Party will have a new list by that time. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #85

Then what's the problem with Sanders' sharing it? brush Jan 2018 #86

It's really up to Sanders. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #89

The point is that if the lists are combined, there won't be Sanders or Hillary... brush Jan 2018 #91

Because the D Party has someone on KPN Jan 2018 #144

Of course it's an issue or Sanders' camp wouldn't have raised it. brush Jan 2018 #146

Aside from having a skewed view of the facts, KPN Jan 2018 #147

The Democrats are the party that always pulls the economy out of the repug depressions... brush Jan 2018 #148

It's not about recessions. Haven't you heard? KPN Jan 2018 #157

You must know most of the info in you first graph was because of repug policies, right? brush Jan 2018 #158

The Repugs certainly had a lot to do KPN Jan 2018 #161

Some good points in your first graph. As far as Sanders, he could've been a strong force in the... brush Jan 2018 #163

Probably right. But he may not have been KPN Jan 2018 #166

The Point Is Me. Jan 2018 #151

Yeah, I remember. They broke thru the DNC server firewall. brush Jan 2018 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #107

The Democratic Party has had two years to attract those voters. appal_jack Jan 2018 #98

So you are saying Sanders voters are not Democrats? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #102

The Dem party is not the one saying they won't share their email list. brush Jan 2018 #130

Win back...are you implying Bernie voters didn't vote for Hillary? I don't think that is true...and Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #101

Bernie most certainly did vote for Hillary, but a lot of his supporters did not -- Sophia4 Jan 2018 #104

Really I was told by earnest Sanders supporter that this was not the case. However, Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #133

Many Hillary supporters do not realize that the most important difference between Sophia4 Jan 2018 #141

I don't agree with you at all. And those Berniecrats who didn't vote for Hillary can fuck themselve Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #152

And Hillary lost in spite of a 3 million vote margin because not enough Democrats Sophia4 Jan 2018 #155

Yet in one CA district Bernie voters are challenging an incumbent California Congressman mchill Jan 2018 #139

And the Berniecrats constantly talk about how the traditional Democrats shut them Sophia4 Jan 2018 #140

That attitude is destroying our democracy. It's just handingvthe country to totalitarians. yardwork Jan 2018 #134

bernie should get ZERO support from the DNC unless he pays for it as he is not a democrat nt msongs Jan 2018 #2

how many dnc resources were used in his Democratic campaign? niyad Jan 2018 #3

The Entire Democratic Primary? TomCADem Jan 2018 #20

The primary is not "resources". KPN Jan 2018 #145

No resources used for party primaries? Really? TomCADem Jan 2018 #160

Does DNC spend on primary candidates directly? Bradical79 Jan 2018 #164

And after the dems let you ride on their coat tails in 2016 shame on you Fullduplexxx Jan 2018 #4

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #5

+1,000,000 livetohike Jan 2018 #10

There will be new, younger candidates who we won't have the feeling... brush Jan 2018 #27

Here we go again. kstewart33 Jan 2018 #6

DNC magical free vehicle you can hop on every 4 years delisen Jan 2018 #7

who expects anything different coming from sanders?? I surely don't, if its not about him, he beachbum bob Jan 2018 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #15

Is anybody really surprised? comradebillyboy Jan 2018 #9

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This message was self-deleted by its author GaryCnf Jan 2018 #93

Fuck this shit. Bernie keeps living down to my expectations. (nt) Paladin Jan 2018 #12

Sanders working hard to elect Trump. Again. beastie boy Jan 2018 #13

Yep! Sen Sanders is having his ego stroked and he once again will TheDebbieDee Jan 2018 #127

They made a mistake when they didn't require that when they allowed him to run pnwmom Jan 2018 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #18

He certainly had no qualms taking from the DNC to boost his campaign. procon Jan 2018 #16

Weaver has a point, but should have stated it much better and he should have offered to send an emai karynnj Jan 2018 #17

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #21

Link please - that sounds pretty much like a conspiracy theory karynnj Jan 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #42

In other words, you have no legitimate source -- and all of your posts on this thread are refighting karynnj Jan 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #57

The chairman of Michigans Democratic Party, Brandon Dillon, in a comment to Politico downplayed Cha Jan 2018 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #71

Thanks. Bernie had his own list, as Hillary had hers. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #81

Yikes. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #95

In California a lot of them are listed on the voter rolls. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #99

Wow. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #109

I've done it for years. We campaign for candidate by going from door to door. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #125

We only have Democratic lists...we do not call on others. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #137

In my neighborhood, I go door to door because we are mostly blue. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #143

We have list that can even tell if the person early voted. We go out and ask them if hey need a ride Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #150

During the Obama campaign, our call lists included Independents. progressoid Jan 2018 #165

Independent voters are not registered with any party. They're unaffiliated lapucelle Jan 2018 #128

Thanks. You are so right. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #129

Interesting. I suppose you remember that Bernie was allowed to run as a Dem, and that he... Hekate Jan 2018 #135

+ 1 Million Me. Jan 2018 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #48

Here's Something Else I Don't UNderstand Me. Jan 2018 #50

We don't. Didn't need him then & we will never need anything from him. Wwcd Jan 2018 #58

YEP Me. Jan 2018 #59

Thank you, ME Wwcd Jan 2018 #63

Why are we not allowed to criticize Bernie here? Hell, were I allowed to I would have Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #77

THese Are Questions For The Universe At Large Me. Jan 2018 #92

A well reasoned, well written response. The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #23

Thanks for the comment and the Monty Python link! karynnj Jan 2018 #35

Weren't Bernie and his supporters calling for Unity? mcar Jan 2018 #26

It depends on the best way to get out a Democratic message karynnj Jan 2018 #29

That could be mcar Jan 2018 #31

So, essentially the DNC would have someone managing the Sanders email list and sending out messages karynnj Jan 2018 #36

So it's OK for Hillary's list but not Bernie's? mcar Jan 2018 #38

I said absolutely nothing about Hillary or her email - so no double standard karynnj Jan 2018 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #45

You have still not given a single source that backs your contention nt karynnj Jan 2018 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #49

Just combine the Dem list with the Sanders list, one list. Not complicated. brush Jan 2018 #131

Most of the people on Bernie's list are probably already on the Democratic Party's Sophia4 Jan 2018 #82

No need to be negative in order to make the basic point that Sanders could send an email to his list Justice Jan 2018 #64

You are reading the negativity into what I wrote karynnj Jan 2018 #162

Karynnj, that is the best statement ever. Thank you. nt Hekate Jan 2018 #136

He talks out both sides of his mouth.... Historic NY Jan 2018 #19

+ a million. Wwcd Jan 2018 #22

So much for unity, eh Bernie? mcar Jan 2018 #24

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jan 2018 #30

Shocked.. Cha Jan 2018 #67

So in other words.. disillusioned73 Jan 2018 #32

amen. shanny Jan 2018 #34

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #33

You are accusing DUers are being bots and Russians because they're mad Sanders pnwmom Jan 2018 #37

LOL, does the Jack stand for JPR? FSogol Jan 2018 #39

Who made Weaver (or Bernie) the decider about whether people on list would support a Democrat? Justice Jan 2018 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #55

Why is Sanders still protected at DU? These aren't the actions of an ally. They're much more.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #43

That's a damn good question. Considering his purpose in the campaign was for "Money & Media". Wwcd Jan 2018 #62

Good question! R B Garr Jan 2018 #69

just great. hello trump 2020! samnsara Jan 2018 #51

It's 2018, not 2016... pecosbob Jan 2018 #53

Yes... 2018 mid-term just around the corner. Gotta keep focused on flipping InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2018 #56

We can, question is will Bernie and Weaver. Justice Jan 2018 #60

When Bernie accepted the use of the DNC database, he agreed to share his own database pnwmom Jan 2018 #72

Then Sanders should not run for the nomination of the party he's disrespecting. lark Jan 2018 #54

Good Sherman A1 Jan 2018 #61

Correct left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #65

Bernie and all candidates who used the DNC database agreed to share their own databases pnwmom Jan 2018 #75

Maybe Bernie thinks ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #87

Then he must have forgotten about how his team went tip-toeing pnwmom Jan 2018 #88

"he fired the ringleader" left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #106

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OMG ! ? left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #113

"Maybe he can give it to his friend Nina" left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #115

Sorry won't playback. Wwcd Jan 2018 #117

If he were honorable he would have lived up to his agreement with the DNC pnwmom Jan 2018 #118

And Donna backed off of that lie. The false putin/Assange rigged primary meme is dead emulatorloo Jan 2018 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #111

Was there an agreement to share, specifically, DONOR information? Jim Lane Jan 2018 #103

No, the Bernie people EXPLORED Hillary's site, opening the doors, walking in, pnwmom Jan 2018 #119

You may be conflating three different things - the voter records, the email list and the donor lists karynnj Jan 2018 #167

No, it was clear from the written contract. The voter contact information that BERNIE collected pnwmom Jan 2018 #168

Weaver's comment was about the EMAIL list -- not "voter information" karynnj Jan 2018 #171

No, the DNC only had the original info in the database. Information that Bernie pnwmom Jan 2018 #172

The DNC information was the VOTER database karynnj Jan 2018 #173

The emails were part of Bernie's proprietary information and he agreed to share it all pnwmom Jan 2018 #174

Reading comprehension helps -- look at your top highlighted sentence - karynnj Jan 2018 #175

Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2018 #132

So you would reneg on a commitment that you made when you accepted the use of the DNC database. pnwmom Jan 2018 #74

"That works to improve the Database for EVERYONE" left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #122

Donna Brazile's book-selling hype didn't live up to the reality. Hillary had signed TWO contracts pnwmom Jan 2018 #123

OK left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #124

Based on this thread, when the shit gets stirred... Beartracks Jan 2018 #66

This. ms liberty Jan 2018 #94

Bernie would be better served with a spokesperson other that Hothead Weaver. emulatorloo Jan 2018 #97

That GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #120

Yep emulatorloo Jan 2018 #154

The chairman of Michigans Democratic Party, Brandon Dillon, in a comment to Politico downplayed. Cha Jan 2018 #68

The river flows both ways, Jeff Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #73

WHAT the FUCK! Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #76

Thanks for the link, ER Cha Jan 2018 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #114

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #79

The hate machine rolls on Devil Child Jan 2018 #90

Weavers a frigging gaffe machine. There would be fewer alledged Hit Pieces if Weaver would stick emulatorloo Jan 2018 #100

Sanders lost the primary. His voters wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jan 2018 #116

Why would he? OnyxSharpie Jan 2018 #121

Then Bernie should not be allowed to run Dawson Leery Jan 2018 #126

That doesn't sound very socialist. ucrdem Jan 2018 #138

I was a big Bernie supporter, but this just isn't right. Vinca Jan 2018 #142

Only matters in states where the primary candidates could keep their own lists afer the primary. haele Jan 2018 #149

Sore loser. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #153

One would expect an Outreach Chair lapucelle Jan 2018 #156

Thank you, Sen. Sanders! RandiFan1290 Jan 2018 #169

Good harun Jan 2018 #170