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lapfog_1

(31,893 posts)
16. The Western US is not Europe and China
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jan 2018

Even if there was a bullet train from LA to San Francisco (which is NOT on the drawing board of the high speed rail program ), that would serve only a fraction of the population.

Let me explain.

I commute to LA from Silicon Valley quite a lot (8 to 12 times a year). It takes me 5.5 hours DRIVING from door to door. On a good day I can do it under 5 hours (if I leave at 11pm to midnight).

To fly there using any of three major airports in the Bay Area (San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland) and LAX in Los Angeles... counting the commute time to the airport, security screening, etc... and the 1 hour flight time... it's about the same 5 hours (give or take 15 min).

The difference is that I now have to only pack a day pack for the flight, rent a car or pay to UBER it to the burbs of LA (West Hollywood, sometimes Santa Monica), and flying is stressful. It is far cheaper to drive, I can leave when I want, no car rental or UBER costs, I can pack or not... plus once there I can drive to multiple destinations and leave when I want.

So, for me, driving is preferred. Destinations are so spread out that a car is needed at the destination (UBER or cabs are fine to get from my home to the airport and back).

I-5 is a nightmare because of semi-trucks. When one decides to pass another on I-5 the back up in the fast lane and resulting slow down can last for miles.

So, if it was up to me I would do one of the following:

Spend $5 billion on adding lanes to i-5 and wait as we all convert to electric cars (countering the greenhouse gas emissions argument)

or

Build the HyperLoop from, say, Hayward to LA and have a huge parking lot full of cheap electric rental cars at the two (and only two) endpoints. Elon??? Get busy!

Rail is so 20th century. And the cost of rail is spiraling out of control... and with the extra stops it isn't going to be all that fast and last but not least, it isn't going (current config) to anyplace all that useful.

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the original concept was LA to SF and no local svc to the valley. hi speed to compete with msongs Jan 2018 #1
It could never compete with air travel. tinrobot Jan 2018 #23
what would it cost to add a lane on I-5 lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #2
we have enough lanes on our freeways. It is way past due that we do what Europe, China, Japan and still_one Jan 2018 #8
The Western US is not Europe and China lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #16
Get rid of the cars. The Bay Area's commute is getting worse and worse, and LA is impossible. still_one Jan 2018 #18
$4 million to $6 million per mile in rural and suburban areas... LanternWaste Jan 2018 #14
allowing for cost overruns lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #15
Initial capital investment only, so far. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #17
This country should have a network of these trains already. The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #3
Hear, hear! BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #4
Well, depends on what you mean by 'value' ... generation of compliant flag-waving jarhead types ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #5
Yes it should have. still_one Jan 2018 #9
I think that public transit projects should be exempt from environemtnal regs AlexSFCA Jan 2018 #6
...says someone who's never had to do an environmental analysis. brooklynite Jan 2018 #11
That's a fucking terrible idea. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #12
You must not live near any mass transit lines? nt EarthFirst Jan 2018 #21
The sad thing is, by the time it is built.... yuiyoshida Jan 2018 #7
I don't think so, but regardless, it is for future generations. When the interstate highway system still_one Jan 2018 #10
So, I bet we get ours done in Texas first- Connecting Houston to Dallas snooper2 Jan 2018 #13
Many Central Valley farmers want that money spent on environmentally destructive water projects... hunter Jan 2018 #19
I rode on the SMART train for the first time today Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #20
So where's the money going to come from? ansible Jan 2018 #22
The project is dead ripcord Jan 2018 #24
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