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karynnj

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29. Social Security took in more than it paid at least since 1986 when they "fixed" SS
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 09:55 PM
Jan 2012

The surplus went to the treasury and SS has IOUs.

The difference in the claims depends on definitions.

1) It is true that in 2011, SS took in less than it paid out.

2) It is also true that part of the difference was paid from general funds to make up for the payroll holiday. Any additional deficit was paid out of general funds, reducing the IOUs.

If you accept that the IOUs are real, SS will NOT run out of money for decades - and with very minor changes will be good for this century!

However, some - including Alan Greenspan, who argued for the higher rates to deal with the baby boom retirement- argue that it would be too much a burden on the future generations to honor all the IOUs. Yes, Greenspan is a hypocrite. These people are the ones saying that SS is running a deficit. (In essence, if the IOUs are not real, they raised the comparatively regressive payroll taxes and used that revenue to lower income taxes - especially for the wealthiest.)

There are some in the middle who are saying that SS is solvent for decades, but who admit that under the current tax code, the payments that will have to go from general funds to SS and Medicare and the interest payment on our debt will leave very little money for any discretionary programs (most of which help the needy) They are the ones saying we need to not extend the Bush tax cuts (at least for the wealthy) and we should raise taxes.

(Not a link - but an explanation)

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This man has lost the election. But then again he never had a chance. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #1
Serious question - who does he think is a "Santorum voter"? jberryhill Jan 2012 #2
Somebody who is stupid Joe Bacon Jan 2012 #39
Well, I guess if all the old people die from neglect and starvation, Cleita Jan 2012 #3
Yes, and 1980 a simple pattern Jan 2012 #9
If American voters fall for the republican shit this election... liberal N proud Jan 2012 #4
Absolutely. Unfortunately that means we get it to even if we tried to fight it. jwirr Jan 2012 #62
Santorum is getting harder and harder to swollow. mysuzuki2 Jan 2012 #5
eww...is it even edible to begin with? alp227 Jan 2012 #38
Dear Korea and Vietnam Veterans Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #6
+1 hamsterjill Jan 2012 #17
No, I do not have the good grace sulphurdunn Jan 2012 #47
Yes. Harshly worded, but true. whathehell Jan 2012 #53
We represent the failed commitment Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #63
I am with you a Thousand percent!...I'm not a vet, but have friends who were, and I'll be whathehell Jan 2012 #65
Does he mean everybody? tabasco Jan 2012 #7
No, that was Newt. Keep your demagogues straight, LOL! freshwest Jan 2012 #16
Social security is not a driver of the debt nt freedom fighter jh Jan 2012 #8
Could you link that please? cstanleytech Jan 2012 #27
Social Security took in more than it paid at least since 1986 when they "fixed" SS karynnj Jan 2012 #29
Thats good enough, thanks. nt cstanleytech Jan 2012 #31
Thank You Kindly Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #44
Exactly...These pricks need to be reminded of this at EVERY turn. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #54
You're right. The SS fund isn't part of the general ledger. Plus, it runs a hefty surplus. PSPS Jan 2012 #37
Lets see this fucking idiot run in the general on this platform! workinclasszero Jan 2012 #10
Nothing like backing positions 90% of people HATE. Santorum wouldn't get over 30% of the vote. harun Jan 2012 #18
haha is it better for Santorum to talk himself down the hill or Romney to be too moderate? alp227 Jan 2012 #41
"...the youth voted in droves last time because they wanted A Black President " DCKit Jan 2012 #50
Is he receiving applauds at these events? He's so disgusting..n/t monmouth Jan 2012 #11
Poor coordination. Newt had the senior center gig. Instead of taking this approach, he talked about freshwest Jan 2012 #15
Well, He's done. nt onehandle Jan 2012 #12
He won't last until the PA primary, but if he did, he would be toast livetohike Jan 2012 #13
I sure hope Santorum wins Tusday. You see,,,, wandy Jan 2012 #14
Nice christian attitude there Ricky. Little Star Jan 2012 #19
Idiots on soapboxes. marmar Jan 2012 #20
He left something out safeinOhio Jan 2012 #21
+1 Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #25
unfeeling evil sociopath fascisthunter Jan 2012 #22
"...Rick Santorum is calling for immediate cuts to Social Security benefits... unkachuck Jan 2012 #23
Here's an idea OnlinePoker Jan 2012 #24
I think that will happen a lot in the states with open primaries. nt DCKit Jan 2012 #51
Good point/idea. I think/ hope that's just what will happen. nt Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #71
Can't they just put back AlbertCat Jan 2012 #26
He can kiss off Florida. nt donco Jan 2012 #28
"S" is for the Sanity he's lacking Mojeoux Jan 2012 #30
Everything is cut, cut, cut..with this crowd.....raise the cap solve the problem Historic NY Jan 2012 #32
I recommend we trim Mr. Frothy. nt valerief Jan 2012 #33
Everything Has To Be Punative With Santorum DallasNE Jan 2012 #34
IT IS CLEAR,SS IS STILL A PRIMARY TARGET ON THE REPUG agenda to enrich Wall street1 CarmanK Jan 2012 #35
+1 n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #55
Who listens to this fucknut and his fake crises? Blue Owl Jan 2012 #36
Plenty of Preachers are flocking to Frothy! Joe Bacon Jan 2012 #40
They talk about "touching the third rail" being deadly to a political campaign jmowreader Jan 2012 #42
It never ceases to amaze me how much republicans hate the human race, area51 Jan 2012 #43
freepers are having a 400+ thread meltdown over this... Kahuna Jan 2012 #45
That's because many (most?) are on SS and now it's personal. Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #49
But why is it that they don't get that THIS is the party line.. Kahuna Jan 2012 #52
The only difference is that Santorum says cut now, not later Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #56
Got it. Thanks! Kahuna Jan 2012 #59
This just in from teabagger central: workinclasszero Jan 2012 #69
HaHaHa, its a gift to a Obama and the dems! BootinUp Jan 2012 #46
This comming from a guy sulphurdunn Jan 2012 #48
Something's "on fire", all right...and I'm pretty sure it's Frothy's pants. He is vile. AzDar Jan 2012 #57
Rick Sanitorium, evil political genius BeyondGeography Jan 2012 #58
Read about 5 replies on the link to the Freepers... Moostache Jan 2012 #60
Well said! eyewall Jan 2012 #61
Yes, the house is on fire... Corruption Winz Jan 2012 #64
LOL...You are correct, sir....He couldn't even win back his senate seat in Pennsylvania. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #66
There's no real difference between the GOP candidates on Social Security or any economic issue LongTomH Jan 2012 #67
Not painful to HIM ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 #68
Dems will have to try awfully hard to lose to people who keep shooting themselves in the face... yurbud Jan 2012 #70
He is toast...never will win this oval thing....too much stuuupidity opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #72
spoken like someone whose net worth is $1M-$2M wordpix Jan 2012 #73
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