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ikri

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44. From what I've been told of Swedish law
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

Someone can't be charged in absentia so the interview that Sweden wants to conduct would be the point at which charges were laid. He's broken UK law by skipping bail, it really doesn't matter if he's innocent of the accusations or not he's violated his bail terms and is wanted in the UK for that crime. Sweden doesn't use the same law system as the UK and US so can't be expected to follow UK or US procedures.

The UK government haven't threatened to invade Ecuador's accredited and recognised embassy, they've pointed out that there are provisions in UK law to remove that recognition if the embassy isn't being used for diplomatic purposes, a provision put in place after the shooting of PC Yvonne Fletcher from the Libyan embassy in London.

It's also worth noting that Article 41 of the Vienna Convention:

Without prejudice to their privileges and immunities, it is the duty of all persons enjoying such privileges and immunities to respect the laws and regulations of the receiving State. They also have a duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State.

If the Ecuadorian embassy isn't respecting British law then the UK government would be well within its rights to revoke the embassy accreditation and expel their ambassador.

There's been talk of Ecuador naming Assange a diplomat but diplomatic credentials are granted by the host country, not the embassy. Ecuador would have to apply to the UK government to make Assange a diplomat which would be rejected. Nor can they pack him in a cardboard box, declare it a diplomatic pouch and send him to the nearest airport. Diplomatic pouches are only respected when they actually contain documents related to diplomatic activity, they can be, and are, intercepted and opened such as when Italy intercepted 40 kilos of cocaine in a diplomatic pouch.

I'm fairly sure that it is pretty unusual for any country to allow people to leave another country by seeking asylum at their embassy. If you were wanted by the police in a foreign country and sought refuge at your own nation's embassy they'd almost always arrange for you to leave, perhaps with an embassy official to assure that you were being treated fairly but you'd get little direct support. When Chen Guangcheng sought protection at the US embassy in Beijing the US negotiated with China and he ended up leaving the protection of the embassy. It's worth adding that China demanded that the US apologise for the incident and never interfere in China's domestic matters in such way again, see Article 41 again - China would have been well within its rights to expel the US ambassador from China and suspend the embassy, similar to what the UK has told Ecuador and backed that up with the specific parts of UK law that would allow for the UK to do so.

You ask why England (the United Kingdom really) would risk an act of war? It wouldn't be an act of war since the embassy would just be a set of offices owned or rented by another country. You might also want to ask, why would Ecuador risk pissing off the UK, Sweden and potentially the whole European Union by giving asylum to Assange? Even if the UK government decides to look the other way and let Assange leave the country, what does Ecuador gain?

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My such a hissy fit. bemildred Aug 2012 #1
Well everyone knew that would happen. Which is why Correa will most likely drag this out sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #2
so sweden has officially charged him with a crime? xchrom Aug 2012 #3
Have you read the findings of fact from the Belmarsh court? msanthrope Aug 2012 #5
What a crock. Your suppositions on what 'most' xchrom Aug 2012 #7
The court findings are not available on Wikileaks. So I presume most msanthrope Aug 2012 #12
Why would England risk an Act of War? Savannahmann Aug 2012 #4
Because when you get right down to it, they're doing the US gov't bidding. Fuddnik Aug 2012 #9
Ding, ding, ding! hifiguy Aug 2012 #16
a better question to ask sweetapogee Aug 2012 #18
It firmly establishes their position within the growing, powerful Latin American block riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #20
I don't see a downside. Fuddnik Aug 2012 #21
Agreed. Ecuador only stands to gain internationally, the UK's stunning move is the biggest question riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #22
London property values are likely to crater, as a result. closeupready Aug 2012 #41
From what I've been told of Swedish law ikri Aug 2012 #44
I've held out this tiny bit of hope that weeks ago, while Ecuador was thinking things over magical thyme Aug 2012 #6
UK police arrest 3 in front of Ecuadorean Embassy dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #8
Ecuador to Let Assange Stay in Its Embassy steve2470 Aug 2012 #10
The UK: The tory Peke that Squeaks. byeya Aug 2012 #11
Live blog of Ecuador statement over Assange asylum: tama Aug 2012 #13
Asylum is granted tama Aug 2012 #14
good. nt xchrom Aug 2012 #15
If G.B. goes so far as to revoke the embassy's status... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #17
I hope Correa orders the Ecuadorean military to raze the British embassy in Quito and coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #25
all this because he didn't use a condom Enrique Aug 2012 #19
Not quite...here's the actual charges..... msanthrope Aug 2012 #23
Actually, they virtually dropped the charges. They were resurrected only after Wikileaks riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #26
Yes. A senior prosecutor can override the charging decisions of msanthrope Aug 2012 #28
How can he prove political motivation? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2012 #30
Kindly tell me what is consensual or minor or 'low impact' about the acts alleged: msanthrope Aug 2012 #31
Whatever the truth is about these allegations, they don't rise to the level of this kind of reaction riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #38
What kind of reaction should 'rape' properly engender? nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #39
THIS allegation with THIS particular man and Sweden's behavior on these alleged charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #42
Ah, "thin and low-impact" rape. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #43
How in the world is anyone going to prove that they had sex without a condom or, JDPriestly Aug 2012 #45
the political aspect is hard to overlook Enrique Aug 2012 #29
I suspect what caused the UK to react in such a manner is British exceptionalism. msanthrope Aug 2012 #32
Really?? You think the Brits are creating this international incident because of "exceptionalism"? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #35
Yes. Exceptionalism. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #36
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All this because he refuses to take a DNA test and skipped bail. randome Aug 2012 #24
has it entered your head that perhaps those who are backing Assange do so because Swagman Aug 2012 #33
Fine. An STD test. Geeze, we've already been through this. randome Aug 2012 #34
They want his DNA so that he can be pursued around the world JDPriestly Aug 2012 #46
those in power despise anyone who breaches the wall of state secrecy... mike_c Aug 2012 #27
If the UK makes good on this, it will sink London's property values. closeupready Aug 2012 #40
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