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Sophia4

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37. In politics the candidate(s) who win(s) the majority of the votes is the winner.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 08:51 PM
Feb 2018

We see, for example, in Trump a "winner" (of the electoral college but not of the popular vote) who tries to offend and drive away the party he perceives to be the loser to his "win." And then we see that wounded "loser" (which actually won the popular vote), the Democratic Party, hurting, angry and stunned. That's how you get a paralyzed government.

It's not smart to do what Trump is doing and others have done. We don't want a paralyzed Democratic Party.

The smart thing is for the winner to win the "loser" to the winner's side. Obama did it to the extent possible with the Republicans and Hillary supporters who lost to him. Obama included Republicans and Hillary supporters in his government, in his cabinet and kept some Bush appointments on.

Trump has made a serious mistake in lording his "win" (which, I say again, was not a win at all in terms of the popular vote) over those he thinks "lost."

And this scenario plays out within the Democratic Party too. We cannot afford to view each other as winners and losers. Goes for both sides, Hillary and Bernie supporters. Trump is a great threat, and the division in the Democratic Party is the greater threat because it is paralyzing our ability to do anything real about the threat of Trump in our elections in close contests. We have won some elections, but I see the split in our Party here and on the internet elsewhere. This will not succeed.

I think things will go pretty well for Democrats in November, but we have lost so many statehouses and our ability to stop the Republicans and work for progress. We have to unite even though each side thinks it is right and the other side wrong. It will take a very big effort and a lot of self-discipline on the part of Democrats who feel bitter -- toward each other -- to make this work. I say that here because there are so many Democrats here.

Both sides of the Hillary/Bernie dispute feel that they have been treated unjustly. May be true. I'm not taking sides. I'm saying that both sides have to forget the feud and get together so that we can win in November. If we lose in November, we will have lost a lot more than just one congressional election. We will become further divided. The purists on both sides will become even more frozen in their division. On the other hand, there is nothing like winning to bring people together.

This is not the time to even think about being right and other Democrats being wrong. This is the time to work for the survival of Democratic values and also democratic values.

We cannot afford the division in the Democratic Party at this time. Being right, feeling we are right, feels very good, but it could result in yet another defeat in November and worse in 2020.

We saw victories in Virginia and in Alabama. We need to take courage from those and continue in state after state to rid ourselves of these Republicans.

That is what I am saying. That is what we should focus on. We can't make the past right. We can only change the future.

I am long-winded, but I have to add that I understand that the hurt is in both the Hillary and Bernie camps. Each side has its own arguments. And each side thinks the other is purist. So we just have to find it in our hearts to look beyond being right and asking who is the purist. We have to overcome our own division. Families do this all the time. And now Democrats have to do it. The risk if we don't do it is too high.

I lived in Germany and Austria, and I know what that risk is. Evil takes charge when good people do not work together.

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I've said it over and over: The "tradition" that we can't indict a sitting President... lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #1
Only way for it to stand BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #3
It may end up at SCOTUS, but it doesn't start there. bitterross Feb 2018 #7
I never said it would start there BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #17
There is nothing in the Constitution that puts the President above the law bitterross Feb 2018 #6
agree, there's material evidence he obstructed and it may come down to the Supreme Court's decision onetexan Feb 2018 #24
When you look at how many traditions trumpft has rode roughshod over Merlot Feb 2018 #13
Right Arm! Indict the Bastard! panfluteman Feb 2018 #14
Indict a sitting President djg21 Feb 2018 #28
Sec 3 Article 1 explicitly permits Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #32
Which scholars do? djg21 Feb 2018 #33
Distracting a President from his ongoing criminal operation is a desirable thing. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #35
I'd bet against it too. Impeachment maybe. Indictment, probably not no matter how much we want it. Hoyt Feb 2018 #2
My take on the OP MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #15
Impeach him first, remove him from office - THEN indict him FakeNoose Feb 2018 #20
whichever comes first - impeach or indictment onetexan Feb 2018 #25
t-rump and his adult family and the adminstration Iliyah Feb 2018 #4
Much more at this link UpInArms Feb 2018 #5
I don't think so. MGKrebs Feb 2018 #8
Teflon Don's been getting away with EVERYTHING for seven+ decades on now. Texin Feb 2018 #10
I sure hope this happens. "Indictment against a sitting president." Stuart G Feb 2018 #9
Lets not forget our friend Pence angrychair Feb 2018 #11
Could an indictment force impeachment? Ramsey Barner Feb 2018 #12
You'd think so, but maybe not with the current Senate and House FakeNoose Feb 2018 #22
OMG!!! That would be heaven on earth!! onecent Feb 2018 #16
Let is be so. geardaddy Feb 2018 #18
you cant go around smashing norms all day, every day, and then mopinko Feb 2018 #19
So right - I love how you put it too FakeNoose Feb 2018 #23
Just do it bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #21
By Tuesday there will be no investigation Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #26
Who held their noses? The answer to that question depends on one's point Sophia4 Feb 2018 #29
Many, many. That's the answer. ehrnst Feb 2018 #31
Lots mcar Feb 2018 #34
In politics the candidate(s) who win(s) the majority of the votes is the winner. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #37
I plan to vote for Democrats in 2018 and beyond mcar Feb 2018 #38
Part or working to elect Democrats is working for harmony with other Sophia4 Feb 2018 #40
I think we all know what "evil" is ehrnst Feb 2018 #42
What does this even mean? lapucelle Feb 2018 #36
People should be mature enough to own up to their mistakes mcar Feb 2018 #39
It's Tuesday. Mueller is still investigating. robertpaulsen Feb 2018 #43
Thrilled, but how did you know about my prediction? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #44
I just read about it. robertpaulsen Feb 2018 #45
So he "could" indict Trump. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #27
Trump has been obstructing justice for a while Gothmog Feb 2018 #30
Wow. I seem to be saying that a lot lately. But WOW. RandomAccess Feb 2018 #41
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