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101. But it's fine that Bernie is blaming Hillary, and we should ignore what else he said

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:25 PM

Feb 2018

that raises some questions?

Mueller said that the Russians were "supporting Bernie and Trump." The two names were quoted directly in the findings, not just "oppose Hillary." Bernie has stated that "it wasn't a surprise" and also that "he had no idea that Russian bots were promoting him."

Is it "unfair" to take what he and his spokespeople say at face value, especially when it's confusing?

I don't see anyone "blaming" Bernie for what Russia did, but questions about what he knew and when he knew about it are understandable in light of him not saying anything about it to discourage it from being shared from his FB pages during the general.

We discuss the Mueller findings here on DU when they come out. We discuss reactions by those who are in the findings. We don't suddenly ignore it when it turns out to involve Senator Sanders.

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Sanders: Clinton should have spoken up about Russian bots during election [View all] pnwmom Feb 2018 OP

Sanders, you sound so much like trump. lunamagica Feb 2018 #1

A former Clinton campaign staffer said it was nonsense that Sanders' campaign had reached Cha Feb 2018 #73

So, EVERY former Clinton staffer would know that a Sanders staffer reached out to someone in the karynnj Feb 2018 #93

All you have are insults. Cha Feb 2018 #99

Very true! That type of response indicates that they are arguing from a position of weakness... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #182

Mahalo, Jackie! Cha Feb 2018 #248

But the fact is that a number of Bernie campaign people in different parts of the country pnwmom Feb 2018 #109

Oh really? thank you for that update, Cha Feb 2018 #124

For example: pnwmom Feb 2018 #128

Good information.. Thank you! Cha Feb 2018 #129

It seems like there was a lot going on that Bernie didn't know about ehrnst Feb 2018 #174

I've heard this mentioned many times before. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #179

And a "she didn't go to Wisconsin" reference shoehorned in FTW!! ehrnst Feb 2018 #173

Weaver explained the misunderstanding to Politico on Wednesday. lapucelle Feb 2018 #272

n/t rzemanfl Feb 2018 #119

why is he still critizing Hillary. the election is over. trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #155

Just like with trump, Hillary lives rent-free inside Sanders head lunamagica Feb 2018 #156

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2018 #201

Oh, FFS! Laurian Feb 2018 #2

This . Every word of it. NT Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #35

Not only that.. Cha Feb 2018 #74

As usual, he's a faithful member of his party of one. Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #148

Yeah, I believe the Hillary Staffer.. Cha Feb 2018 #149

Well said. Thank you. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #183

He remains the vote I regret the most in my life that I cast in the MA primary Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #3

This is what I told someone who think Sanders will run and win: I constantly see lunamagica Feb 2018 #11

I agree, his support level will not be what it was before in terms of actual real people Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #13

Sorry about that, but infinitely better than Hortensis Feb 2018 #258

Primary Joediss Feb 2018 #176

Like she could trust you. Corgigal Feb 2018 #4

Very good point. LisaM Feb 2018 #5

Yeah, who forgets how RWers were crossing over to vote for him in open primary states? bettyellen Feb 2018 #9

I hate open primaries... and I don't like that here in CA we end up with Dems running against deurbano Feb 2018 #14

Same in Washington. When Jim McDermott retired, two Dems went for his seat. LisaM Feb 2018 #19

This would then lead to the party establishment determining who becomes the nominee of the party karynnj Feb 2018 #225

No, there was a very spirited primary. And I don't know that Walkinshaw would have won it. LisaM Feb 2018 #229

I had to research that election to understand that, like CA, it was an open primary and the GE was karynnj Feb 2018 #244

I remember when ChiTownDenny Feb 2018 #17

when was this? dbackjon Feb 2018 #25

I don't remember ChiTownDenny Feb 2018 #263

Dont you get tired of criticizing Bernie Sanders? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #6

Yes, I get very tired of things he says that just makes things worse. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #12

Just ignore him. There are more import things to focus on. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #16

But it's important to know the extent of the Russian interference.... dawg day Feb 2018 #20

I dont think Sanders is trying to hide the truth. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #30

I dont care for Sanders and Jeff Weaver echoing Trump talking points in February 2018 emulatorloo Feb 2018 #254

Doesn't Sanders get tired of attacking Democrats? 4now Feb 2018 #23

Why do you care so much what he says? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #31

I think that Sanders should channel his anger toward the Republicans 4now Feb 2018 #38

What exactly did he say that was an attack on Democrats? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #39

You should do your own research 4now Feb 2018 #45

Cant come up with what he said to attack Democrats, huh? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #55

This is the kind of troll like behavour 4now Feb 2018 #58

Okay. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #61

Project much?? hueymahl Feb 2018 #83

The goading you sidestepped was actually a trap... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #219

"Do your own research" is the type of bullshit right wing trolls say when confronted Jake Stern Feb 2018 #136

Did you hear what he said the day after the election? ehrnst Feb 2018 #84

Blaming Hillary for not stopping the Russian Bots that promoted him sure isn't a compliment.(nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #175

What planet are you living on? Sanders attacks Republicans ALL of the time Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #177

Great response! Bluepinky Feb 2018 #186

Agree Joediss Feb 2018 #178

Are we to ignore any Mueller revelations that concern Bernie? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #85

Because we ALLOWED him to use leftynyc Feb 2018 #160

Yes we did. No we won't. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #223

Hell yes leftynyc Feb 2018 #242

Because he is still working, publicly, to divide the party. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #287

I think your onto something. nocalflea Feb 2018 #33

Sanders campaigned for Hillary after the Democratic convention. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #86

Yes I know, why are they obsessed with Sanders? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #90

Ask Mueller. He's the one that found the information. And Bernie blames Hillary ehrnst Feb 2018 #107

You are criticizing a Congressman who caucuses with the Democrats. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #121

BS is a senator. N/T lapucelle Feb 2018 #126

Yes, Congress consists of both the Senate and House of Representatives. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #134

Did you know there are 2 branches of Congress? mcar Feb 2018 #167

According to Wikipedia, Congress includes both the Senate and House of Representatives. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #184

Yes! mcar Feb 2018 #194

Well now... that was fun! (Laughing and shaking my head... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #210

Right? mcar Feb 2018 #226

Since you're picking nits, there are two Houses of Congress - the Senate and the House of.... George II Feb 2018 #241

"Why are you so insistent on this error of yours?" NurseJackie Feb 2018 #246

"Congressman" (or "-woman" or "-person") is an accepted term for a member of the HOR brooklynite Feb 2018 #249

Yes, but it's not generally an accepted use for a Senator. Congressman and Representative.... George II Feb 2018 #250

I really want to see the link for this bit of civics mcar Feb 2018 #253

Those who serve in the House are called congressmen / congresswomen. lapucelle Feb 2018 #181

According to Wikipedia, Senators are usually referred to as Senators and not Congressmen Bluepinky Feb 2018 #185

From now on I will refer to the senator as congressman. N/T lapucelle Feb 2018 #187

You can do what you want. To avoid confusion, its probably better to call him Senator. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #188

Wheeeee! NurseJackie Feb 2018 #212

If I were Senator EW or Senator BS, lapucelle Feb 2018 #232

From Whom Does He Collect A Paycheck? Me. Feb 2018 #234

Because he doesn't have the magic "D" behind his name, you see Jake Stern Feb 2018 #137

All those Magic D's voted for Russian Sanctions. Magnitsky. Wwcd Feb 2018 #142

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #162

About that last point you made, I have no doubts. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #215

Likewise NJ ☺ Wwcd Feb 2018 #240

Actually, he's a senator, and no, there's no rule against criticism ehrnst Feb 2018 #163

According to Wikipedia, Congress includes both the Senate and House of Representatives. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #189

And you also need to learn the difference between criticism, or discussing their words ehrnst Feb 2018 #192

Me thinks you protest too much. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #193

Reporting the facts about Bernie Sanders, such as he released a fraction of Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #198

This post was reported on and I made a mistake Bradical79 Feb 2018 #220

I think you are very defensive on the issue and see malice everywhere ehrnst Feb 2018 #230

You didnt answer the question. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #237

Why? Summary for me: Trump, senate, house, Gorsuch, Hortensis Feb 2018 #239

To be fair, Obama, Clinton and Sanders knew Russia was involved in the election in 2016. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #243

"Fair" when one hoped to benefit and the others were Hortensis Feb 2018 #247

STRAWMAN. No one here believes Sanders assisted Russia. emulatorloo Feb 2018 #255

To blame the Russian thing on Hillary is not mildly critical...it is huge and gives Trump a pass. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #266

You keep saying that but don't seem to understand it mcar Feb 2018 #195

My source is Wikipedia. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #196

Ok mcar Feb 2018 #197

Sanders comments are recent, contradictory, and R B Garr Feb 2018 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Feb 2018 #27

Nope. Not when he deserves it. Which is often, and due to his own conduct. Maven Feb 2018 #40

What did he say, exactly, that was so bad? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #43

I think you know what he said. Maven Feb 2018 #46

Thats a lame response. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #52

Google his remark the day after the election.(nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #102

Oh, you are talking about 2016, I thought this thread is about current events. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #118

Mueller is talking about 2016. Specifically, he issued indictments R B Garr Feb 2018 #151

I suggest looking at the content of the article in the OP, if you haven't ehrnst Feb 2018 #164

Whats lame is your intellectual dishonesty. Maven Feb 2018 #131

And you win the internets for today. I am losing patience with having to tiptoe around Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #199

From the link in the OP: pnwmom Feb 2018 #106

His own words. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #76

I get tired of Bernie's shots at Hillary after changing his registration back to "Independent" RandySF Feb 2018 #116

What I would give to be able to show support on this website ONLY for registered Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #200

How is quoting his own words criticizing? mcar Feb 2018 #166

I know, right?!! Such convolutions! Amazing. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #222

Stop criticizing Bernie by using his own words against him!!11 mcar Feb 2018 #228

One's recorded words and writings reveal much about intent, motivation and character... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #236

Great points, Jackie! mcar Feb 2018 #238

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #271

No. n/t QC Feb 2018 #170

Prez Obama TOLD mcturtle - mcturtle said nyet - sanders..take a hike!!!!eom asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #7

"Why didn't she do something?... Lock her up!" dalton99a Feb 2018 #8

Oh, STFU. Lil Missy Feb 2018 #10

Blow it out your ass, Bernie. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #15

This entire thread is bullshit The Wizard Feb 2018 #18

This has to do with a current interview, TODAY, by a man who is positioning himself pnwmom Feb 2018 #22

No, it is a warped interpretation of the interview karynnj Feb 2018 #32

When will Bernie acknowledge that Russian bots capitalized on his campaign Maven Feb 2018 #41

Well, since you asked, he could have given Hillary his email list. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #44

Those are the things any Democrat would do as a courtesy to any other Democrat. comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #152

There is a specific reason he purposely did NOT do any of that, but until the rules Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #202

He blames Hillary for not stopping bots that were promoting him ehrnst Feb 2018 #112

I'm with you man GusBob Feb 2018 #29

You mean we can discuss any Mueller revelations but those involving Senator Sanders? ehrnst Feb 2018 #78

I used to respect Sen. Sanders 4now Feb 2018 #21

Sanders is definitely NOT sounding Trump-like. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #47

They both spend a lot of time attacking Democrats. 4now Feb 2018 #53

Go back and listen to the weekly show with Hartmann, I swear they attacked Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #204

She said Trump was a Russian Puppet. Trump's response, "No puppet. No puppet. YOU'RE the puppet." Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #24

The people buying the propaganda wouldn't have listened to her. Look at JPR stevenleser Feb 2018 #26

Same with Reddit emulatorloo Feb 2018 #256

Your version is quite biased and mainly reflects your hatred of Sanders karynnj Feb 2018 #28

And everything is Hillary's fault. nocalflea Feb 2018 #37

Where did I say that??? It is NEVER ALL the candidate's fault. Hillary, like all candidates had karynnj Feb 2018 #51

Bernies' campaign analyst Mattes stated that he knew before the General. ehrnst Feb 2018 #117

You make a lot of sense DeeDeeNY Feb 2018 #57

I think those sentiments are quite rational. comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #153

You are accusing everyone here who questions the actions of Bernie of being "irrational?" Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #205

I doubt it will be too impactful one way or the other. David__77 Feb 2018 #59

So we should ignore any revelations from Mueller about Bernie, and Bernie's comments on them? ehrnst Feb 2018 #80

No, but they should not be distorted karynnj Feb 2018 #89

But it's fine that Bernie is blaming Hillary, and we should ignore what else he said ehrnst Feb 2018 #101

Folks arent blaming him for the actions of the Russians. Instead criticizing his and Weavers words emulatorloo Feb 2018 #259

"Gaffe" or Deflection? Cha Feb 2018 #260

All I can say for sure is they both stepped in deep shit with these statements emulatorloo Feb 2018 #261

I know.. time will tell. All I can say Cha Feb 2018 #262

They sure did step in it deep. They really revealed how R B Garr Feb 2018 #265

He's just being defensive, knowing the Russians favored him to win over Clinton. Chemisse Feb 2018 #34

If the Russians favored him to win, he would have won. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #50

His only job was to attack the Democrat party nominee 4now Feb 2018 #56

I see, Sanders was a Russian plant. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #60

You said it. Not me 4now Feb 2018 #65

Admission is the 1st step. Wwcd Feb 2018 #88

That would make him one of the non-Democrats who voted against Russian Sanctions.(nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #82

" Democrat party" melman Feb 2018 #62

I am sorry that my low vision offends you 4now Feb 2018 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Maven Feb 2018 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author QC Feb 2018 #171

No one is talking about the goddamn primary. Maven Feb 2018 #132

There is no evidence for your assertion. One could equally say the only reason he got close stevenleser Feb 2018 #135

Of course he didn't collude with Russia. Chemisse Feb 2018 #138

And whos dividing the party now? Bluepinky Feb 2018 #141

Who said I don't like him? Chemisse Feb 2018 #143

I agree on that. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #145

"Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump, we support them)" ehrnst Feb 2018 #172

Spot on! comradebillyboy Feb 2018 #154

Bernie needs to answer the interviewer's question. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #36

Bernie never takes responsibility for anything, because he is a fraud and weak leader. Maven Feb 2018 #49

Why not take it directly to the FEC and the FBI? N/T lapucelle Feb 2018 #130

Bernie is a disaster waiting to fuck us in 2020 Exotica Feb 2018 #42

That is a big concern of mine. Chemisse Feb 2018 #140

Sanders will never be the Democratic nominee. yardwork Feb 2018 #275

He better not even try it in 2020. Maven Feb 2018 #48

I'll be right beside you leftynyc Feb 2018 #161

You don't think Obama told Hillary's campaign? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #54

the day the news of Russian meddling broke LSFL Feb 2018 #71

Do you have any evidence that Bernies supporters R B Garr Feb 2018 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author unc70 Feb 2018 #63

He did too know! He was asked on an interview and said it right there. Wwcd Feb 2018 #66

Thanks for the link, I remember that article. emulatorloo Feb 2018 #257

Oh dear. Methinks Bernie just done laid a big one. DinahMoeHum Feb 2018 #67

Lets ask Snopes in a day or so. Wwcd Feb 2018 #68

Exactly. Its a little too late to walk back your words Mr Sanders. Wwcd Feb 2018 #79

Politico - Bernie mimics Trump defense on Russian interference Cha Feb 2018 #69

She did warn us. The Media & every candidate ignored her. Wwcd Feb 2018 #94

And, he's trying to blame it on Hillary.. Cha Feb 2018 #113

He knew. Yet he kept quiet about Russia, a foreign adversary's influence. Why? Wwcd Feb 2018 #122

No offense to anyone here, but Bernie needs to STFU. How does he know what Hillary's campaign iluvtennis Feb 2018 #70

I supported him but couldn't agree more with this sentiment. Shoulda-woulda-coulda is weak. ancianita Feb 2018 #72

I guess this isn't going away. ehrnst Feb 2018 #75

Good, truth should be told. Mueller is rightly looking at everyone who knew & did nothing. Wwcd Feb 2018 #97

So a man is blaming a woman for a problem he should have taken ownership of immediately? LonePirate Feb 2018 #77

I know the campaign was informed of trolls and Russians contaminating his followers relayerbob Feb 2018 #81

Thanks for trying, relayerbob! n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #100

Can we remember WHO THE ENEMY IS, HOW THEY OPERATE, AND STOP FALLING FOR THIS BULLSHIT ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #87

Are you calling Sanders own words the enemy? Or Mueller? ehrnst Feb 2018 #92

Spot on. DonaldsRump Feb 2018 #95

Bernie is making moves to run again. I'm not going to ignore what he says and does. And what pnwmom Feb 2018 #98

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #91

I wouldn't care about Bernie if he weren't making moves to run again in 2020. pnwmom Feb 2018 #96

What Democrats is Pwnmom "blaming?" ehrnst Feb 2018 #105

You know hueymahl Feb 2018 #120

Am I the only one who remembers this moment from the debates? StevieM Feb 2018 #103

what a moment.... +++++++ JHan Feb 2018 #284

Bernie, go lie down Lulu KC Feb 2018 #104

Thats Helpful... Not. nt. BlueIdaho Feb 2018 #108

Reminds me of a quote: "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #110

Sanders is being disingenuous RandySF Feb 2018 #114

+1, totally disingenuous. Plus his core supporters would not R B Garr Feb 2018 #123

It looks to me orangecrush Feb 2018 #115

K & R. And that is why Mueller named both Trump & Bernie Sanders. Wwcd Feb 2018 #125

agree whoieheartedly. orangecrush Feb 2018 #169

Bernie wasnt the Democratic nominee in the Presidential election, Hillary was. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #139

What polls? The polls from his FB page? Wwcd Feb 2018 #144

No, polls showed that the only candidate able to beat Trump in a two-way election was Sanders. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #146

I guess you havent followed the recent news?? R B Garr Feb 2018 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Feb 2018 #168

I agree. yardwork Feb 2018 #278

Thanks! orangecrush Feb 2018 #288

She did in one of the debates nt doc03 Feb 2018 #127

Thought it was Sarah Sanders. joshcryer Feb 2018 #157

I live for the day we stop refighting the 2016 primary. Vinca Feb 2018 #158

It appears that wont happen, and no one here tries to stop it. Bluepinky Feb 2018 #190

Why is Sanders perpetuating this? Why did he say this about Hillary on Wednesday? yardwork Feb 2018 #277

I don't know and I don't fucking care. He's not a Democrat. Ignore him. Vinca Feb 2018 #280

He's supposedly the frontrunner for Democratic nomination for 2020. yardwork Feb 2018 #282

He's STILL going after Hillary leftynyc Feb 2018 #159

Not helpful, Bernie mcar Feb 2018 #165

Agreed. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #180

Really? Ok lets compare platforms then, because you are completely wrong in your statement. Wwcd Feb 2018 #191

Uh, I didn't say millions more agreed with Sanders than Clinton Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #203

K & R & Thank you for your post Wwcd Feb 2018 #207

So that's the Hillary side. Where's the comparison? KPN Feb 2018 #206

I too am anxious to read it. Wwcd Feb 2018 #209

What, you can't google? KPN Feb 2018 #211

I did. I could find no platform to begin his campaign on. Wwcd Feb 2018 #224

Oh, so you never saw Bernie's Agenda for America or his website during his campaign. KPN Feb 2018 #233

My, the vigilantes are out in force. KPN Feb 2018 #208

Sanders isn't a Democrat anymore. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #213

Who said he was? KPN Feb 2018 #214

Yes, it's relevant. Now that he's built up a higher profile, I think he will use it pnwmom Feb 2018 #217

And that was the point from the beginning Wwcd Feb 2018 #221

I will remember this prediction in 2019/20. KPN Feb 2018 #267

I think we'll be saying hello to President Pence later this year or next year.... George II Feb 2018 #269

Haahaaa. Omg. Plenty of that sour grape vigilanteism daggers flying from all directions. Wwcd Feb 2018 #218

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #268

Not always with his vote however. Wwcd Feb 2018 #227

If Bernie's policies and proposals are, then why isn't he a Democrat? yardwork Feb 2018 #274

Just calling out the bias against their Party, it seems. Wwcd Feb 2018 #216

Why is he out there saying things like this? Are people not supposed to react pnwmom Feb 2018 #286

He's lost me, totally. lark Feb 2018 #231

I know. Maybe, Sanders should have spoken up about Russian bots during election Wwcd Feb 2018 #235

That tells me a lot... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #245

This is a bright red line he's crossed for me. lark Feb 2018 #264

I am beyond sick of Bernie right now. redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #251

"...all he wanted to do was blow up the Democratic party..." NurseJackie Feb 2018 #289

Oh Gee... another pissing contest over Hillary vs Sanders Chakaconcarne Feb 2018 #252

Senator Sanders was the originator of the comment ehrnst Feb 2018 #273

Who prevails? Putin's Republicans. yardwork Feb 2018 #276

Shut up, Bernie lanlady Feb 2018 #270

... TheDebbieDee Feb 2018 #279

DOES NO ONE REMEMBER that she did speak up about Russian interference - or was that in an Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2018 #281

I DO remember, and some others have pointed it out. Your are right -- his comment pnwmom Feb 2018 #283

She warned us all JCMach1 Feb 2018 #285