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In reply to the discussion: Sanders: Clinton should have spoken up about Russian bots during election [View all]Wwcd
(6,288 posts)191. Really? Ok lets compare platforms then, because you are completely wrong in your statement.
Because there are millions of Democrats and Independents who agreed more with the platform he ran on than the one Hillary ran on,
WTF? This statement is unfair & untrue & THIS is
Why we still have infighting here on DU.
Until statements like yours are corrected, it will continue.
For instance:
3 million more preferred her platform in the primaries.
65 million preferred her platform in the GE.
Her platform was out there long before he even had one.
She also laid out the answer as to how to implement her policies & how to FUND them fairly.
BS did not offer a comprehensive platform in the beginning.
He never did present a way to fund his free stuff when continually confronted wiith the question.
He still doesn't offer a solid answer.
Your statement about his & her platforms are quite unfair & completely incorrect.
Lets compare platforms to prove my point about your statement.
Here's hers from day one .
Then show us his.
Fair Enough?
https://hillaryspeeches.com/tag/four-fights/
Looking through Clintons speeches and policy proposals, a clear plan emerges. From Clintons kickoff rally in June 2015 to the announcement of the proposed cap on child care costs and expanded early childhood education earlier this month, a list of Clintons platform speech topics and announcement dates are below:
THE FOUR FIGHTS
Economy: Clinton outlined a number of changes that would serve to strengthen the economy including strengthening the middle class, increasing the minimum wage, providing equal pay for women, making it illegal to discriminate against LBGT workers, rewriting the tax code, and focusing on lifelong learning that will allow works to adapt to a changing workplace.
She also called for more affordable college for everyone and improving the infrastructure by creating an infrastructure bank that would sell bonds to help fund improvements roads, bridges, power grids, and broadband Internet.
She called for protecting the environment by investing in clean energy and ending the denial of climate change. All these changes, which she will continue to outline in the coming weeks, will create jobs and improve the lives of American workers.
Family: Families have struggled since the recession and Clinton believes that more attention needs to be paid to helping families by guaranteeing paid sick days, paid family leave, pre-school and child care. She also wants to focus on the uneven incarceration polices and provide help to those suffering with mental health issues and addiction.
Americas Leadership: America has long been the leader in the world, but for America to maintain its leadership and influence, Clinton argues that we have not only show strength in our military, but we have to create economic and diplomatic partnerships across the globe.
At the same time, we have to stand up to our adversaries and stand by our allies. We need to be better prepared against cyber attacks and provide better services to our veterans after they have served our country.
Governmental Reform: Clinton argued that now is the time to take government out of corporate hands and back into the hands of Americans.
She called for stopping the flow of unaccountable campaign funds, undoing Citizens United, and improving government technology so it is more open to the pubic.
She also called for improvements to voting including universal registration, longer early voting periods, and ensuring that voting rights are protected despite the Supreme Courts recent decision.
Read the rest here & tell me again how Sander's platform exceeded hers in popularity.
https://hillaryspeeches.com/tag/four-fights/
June 13 Four Fights of Campaign
July 13 Economic Agenda
July 27 Climate Change
July 31 Cuban Embargo
August 10 College Affordability
August 18 Drilling in the Arctic
August 26 Agriculture
September 1 Substance Abuse
September 8 Campaign Finance Reform
September 9 Nuclear Agreement with Iran
September 14 Sexual Assault
September 22 Prescription Drugs
September 23 Clean Energy
October 5 Gun Control
October 7 Trans-Pacific Partnership
October 8 Wall Street
November 4 US Israeli Relations
November 10 Department of Veterans Affairs
November 12 Coal Communities
November 19 ISIS and Global Terrorism
November 20 Middle-Class Taxes
November 22 Caregiver Tax Credits
November 29 Infrastructure
December 8 Manufacturing (Part 1)
December 15 Immigration Reform
December 15 Anti-Terrorism
December 16 Buffett Rule
December 20 LGBT Rights
December 22 Alzheimers Disease
January 5 Autism
January 11 Fair Share Surcharge
February 12 Breaking Every Barrier Agenda
March 4 Jobs
March 23 Counterterrorism
April 1 Manufacturing (Part 2)
April 13 Department of Immigrant Affairs
April 13 Environmental and Climate Justice
May 10 Improved Child Care and Early Childhood Education
May 25 Infrastructure Revitalization in First 100 Days
May 31 Plan to Assist Military Families
June 2 Foreign Policy
June 13 Reduction of Gun Violence
June 24 Immigration Reform
June 25 Democratic National Committee Platform
June 28 Empowering Young People to be Entrepreneurs
June 29 Initiative on Technology and Innovation
July 6 Debt-Free College
July 7 Protections for Small Businesses
July 9 Universal Health Care
Oddly though, It is the same policy changes of HRC's 2016 platform that I hear the vast majority of people today, claiming & crying out that this is what America NEEDS NOW.
The infighting will cease when untrue statements like the one highlighted above cease.
Just FYI.
Thank you
WTF? This statement is unfair & untrue & THIS is
Why we still have infighting here on DU.
Until statements like yours are corrected, it will continue.
For instance:
3 million more preferred her platform in the primaries.
65 million preferred her platform in the GE.
Her platform was out there long before he even had one.
She also laid out the answer as to how to implement her policies & how to FUND them fairly.
BS did not offer a comprehensive platform in the beginning.
He never did present a way to fund his free stuff when continually confronted wiith the question.
He still doesn't offer a solid answer.
Your statement about his & her platforms are quite unfair & completely incorrect.
Lets compare platforms to prove my point about your statement.
Here's hers from day one .
Then show us his.
Fair Enough?
https://hillaryspeeches.com/tag/four-fights/
Looking through Clintons speeches and policy proposals, a clear plan emerges. From Clintons kickoff rally in June 2015 to the announcement of the proposed cap on child care costs and expanded early childhood education earlier this month, a list of Clintons platform speech topics and announcement dates are below:
THE FOUR FIGHTS
Economy: Clinton outlined a number of changes that would serve to strengthen the economy including strengthening the middle class, increasing the minimum wage, providing equal pay for women, making it illegal to discriminate against LBGT workers, rewriting the tax code, and focusing on lifelong learning that will allow works to adapt to a changing workplace.
She also called for more affordable college for everyone and improving the infrastructure by creating an infrastructure bank that would sell bonds to help fund improvements roads, bridges, power grids, and broadband Internet.
She called for protecting the environment by investing in clean energy and ending the denial of climate change. All these changes, which she will continue to outline in the coming weeks, will create jobs and improve the lives of American workers.
Family: Families have struggled since the recession and Clinton believes that more attention needs to be paid to helping families by guaranteeing paid sick days, paid family leave, pre-school and child care. She also wants to focus on the uneven incarceration polices and provide help to those suffering with mental health issues and addiction.
Americas Leadership: America has long been the leader in the world, but for America to maintain its leadership and influence, Clinton argues that we have not only show strength in our military, but we have to create economic and diplomatic partnerships across the globe.
At the same time, we have to stand up to our adversaries and stand by our allies. We need to be better prepared against cyber attacks and provide better services to our veterans after they have served our country.
Governmental Reform: Clinton argued that now is the time to take government out of corporate hands and back into the hands of Americans.
She called for stopping the flow of unaccountable campaign funds, undoing Citizens United, and improving government technology so it is more open to the pubic.
She also called for improvements to voting including universal registration, longer early voting periods, and ensuring that voting rights are protected despite the Supreme Courts recent decision.
Read the rest here & tell me again how Sander's platform exceeded hers in popularity.
https://hillaryspeeches.com/tag/four-fights/
June 13 Four Fights of Campaign
July 13 Economic Agenda
July 27 Climate Change
July 31 Cuban Embargo
August 10 College Affordability
August 18 Drilling in the Arctic
August 26 Agriculture
September 1 Substance Abuse
September 8 Campaign Finance Reform
September 9 Nuclear Agreement with Iran
September 14 Sexual Assault
September 22 Prescription Drugs
September 23 Clean Energy
October 5 Gun Control
October 7 Trans-Pacific Partnership
October 8 Wall Street
November 4 US Israeli Relations
November 10 Department of Veterans Affairs
November 12 Coal Communities
November 19 ISIS and Global Terrorism
November 20 Middle-Class Taxes
November 22 Caregiver Tax Credits
November 29 Infrastructure
December 8 Manufacturing (Part 1)
December 15 Immigration Reform
December 15 Anti-Terrorism
December 16 Buffett Rule
December 20 LGBT Rights
December 22 Alzheimers Disease
January 5 Autism
January 11 Fair Share Surcharge
February 12 Breaking Every Barrier Agenda
March 4 Jobs
March 23 Counterterrorism
April 1 Manufacturing (Part 2)
April 13 Department of Immigrant Affairs
April 13 Environmental and Climate Justice
May 10 Improved Child Care and Early Childhood Education
May 25 Infrastructure Revitalization in First 100 Days
May 31 Plan to Assist Military Families
June 2 Foreign Policy
June 13 Reduction of Gun Violence
June 24 Immigration Reform
June 25 Democratic National Committee Platform
June 28 Empowering Young People to be Entrepreneurs
June 29 Initiative on Technology and Innovation
July 6 Debt-Free College
July 7 Protections for Small Businesses
July 9 Universal Health Care
Oddly though, It is the same policy changes of HRC's 2016 platform that I hear the vast majority of people today, claiming & crying out that this is what America NEEDS NOW.
The infighting will cease when untrue statements like the one highlighted above cease.
Just FYI.
Thank you
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Sanders: Clinton should have spoken up about Russian bots during election [View all]
pnwmom
Feb 2018
OP
A former Clinton campaign staffer said it was nonsense that Sanders' campaign had reached
Cha
Feb 2018
#73
So, EVERY former Clinton staffer would know that a Sanders staffer reached out to someone in the
karynnj
Feb 2018
#93
Very true! That type of response indicates that they are arguing from a position of weakness...
NurseJackie
Feb 2018
#182
But the fact is that a number of Bernie campaign people in different parts of the country
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#109
He remains the vote I regret the most in my life that I cast in the MA primary
Blue_Adept
Feb 2018
#3
This is what I told someone who think Sanders will run and win: I constantly see
lunamagica
Feb 2018
#11
I agree, his support level will not be what it was before in terms of actual real people
Blue_Adept
Feb 2018
#13
Yeah, who forgets how RWers were crossing over to vote for him in open primary states?
bettyellen
Feb 2018
#9
I hate open primaries... and I don't like that here in CA we end up with Dems running against
deurbano
Feb 2018
#14
This would then lead to the party establishment determining who becomes the nominee of the party
karynnj
Feb 2018
#225
No, there was a very spirited primary. And I don't know that Walkinshaw would have won it.
LisaM
Feb 2018
#229
I had to research that election to understand that, like CA, it was an open primary and the GE was
karynnj
Feb 2018
#244
I dont care for Sanders and Jeff Weaver echoing Trump talking points in February 2018
emulatorloo
Feb 2018
#254
"Do your own research" is the type of bullshit right wing trolls say when confronted
Jake Stern
Feb 2018
#136
Blaming Hillary for not stopping the Russian Bots that promoted him sure isn't a compliment.(nt)
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#175
What planet are you living on? Sanders attacks Republicans ALL of the time
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2018
#177
Ask Mueller. He's the one that found the information. And Bernie blames Hillary
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#107
According to Wikipedia, Congress includes both the Senate and House of Representatives.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#184
Since you're picking nits, there are two Houses of Congress - the Senate and the House of....
George II
Feb 2018
#241
"Congressman" (or "-woman" or "-person") is an accepted term for a member of the HOR
brooklynite
Feb 2018
#249
Yes, but it's not generally an accepted use for a Senator. Congressman and Representative....
George II
Feb 2018
#250
According to Wikipedia, Senators are usually referred to as Senators and not Congressmen
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#185
You can do what you want. To avoid confusion, its probably better to call him Senator.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#188
According to Wikipedia, Congress includes both the Senate and House of Representatives.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#189
And you also need to learn the difference between criticism, or discussing their words
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#192
Reporting the facts about Bernie Sanders, such as he released a fraction of
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#198
To be fair, Obama, Clinton and Sanders knew Russia was involved in the election in 2016.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#243
To blame the Russian thing on Hillary is not mildly critical...it is huge and gives Trump a pass.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#266
Oh, you are talking about 2016, I thought this thread is about current events.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#118
And you win the internets for today. I am losing patience with having to tiptoe around
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#199
I get tired of Bernie's shots at Hillary after changing his registration back to "Independent"
RandySF
Feb 2018
#116
What I would give to be able to show support on this website ONLY for registered
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#200
One's recorded words and writings reveal much about intent, motivation and character...
NurseJackie
Feb 2018
#236
Prez Obama TOLD mcturtle - mcturtle said nyet - sanders..take a hike!!!!eom
asiliveandbreathe
Feb 2018
#7
This has to do with a current interview, TODAY, by a man who is positioning himself
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#22
Those are the things any Democrat would do as a courtesy to any other Democrat.
comradebillyboy
Feb 2018
#152
There is a specific reason he purposely did NOT do any of that, but until the rules
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#202
You mean we can discuss any Mueller revelations but those involving Senator Sanders?
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#78
Go back and listen to the weekly show with Hartmann, I swear they attacked
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#204
She said Trump was a Russian Puppet. Trump's response, "No puppet. No puppet. YOU'RE the puppet."
Honeycombe8
Feb 2018
#24
The people buying the propaganda wouldn't have listened to her. Look at JPR
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#26
Where did I say that??? It is NEVER ALL the candidate's fault. Hillary, like all candidates had
karynnj
Feb 2018
#51
You are accusing everyone here who questions the actions of Bernie of being "irrational?"
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#205
So we should ignore any revelations from Mueller about Bernie, and Bernie's comments on them?
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#80
But it's fine that Bernie is blaming Hillary, and we should ignore what else he said
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#101
Folks arent blaming him for the actions of the Russians. Instead criticizing his and Weavers words
emulatorloo
Feb 2018
#259
All I can say for sure is they both stepped in deep shit with these statements
emulatorloo
Feb 2018
#261
He's just being defensive, knowing the Russians favored him to win over Clinton.
Chemisse
Feb 2018
#34
That would make him one of the non-Democrats who voted against Russian Sanctions.(nt)
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#82
There is no evidence for your assertion. One could equally say the only reason he got close
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#135
"Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump, we support them)"
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#172
Bernie never takes responsibility for anything, because he is a fraud and weak leader.
Maven
Feb 2018
#49
No offense to anyone here, but Bernie needs to STFU. How does he know what Hillary's campaign
iluvtennis
Feb 2018
#70
I supported him but couldn't agree more with this sentiment. Shoulda-woulda-coulda is weak.
ancianita
Feb 2018
#72
Good, truth should be told. Mueller is rightly looking at everyone who knew & did nothing.
Wwcd
Feb 2018
#97
So a man is blaming a woman for a problem he should have taken ownership of immediately?
LonePirate
Feb 2018
#77
I know the campaign was informed of trolls and Russians contaminating his followers
relayerbob
Feb 2018
#81
Can we remember WHO THE ENEMY IS, HOW THEY OPERATE, AND STOP FALLING FOR THIS BULLSHIT ...
mr_lebowski
Feb 2018
#87
Bernie is making moves to run again. I'm not going to ignore what he says and does. And what
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#98
Bernie wasnt the Democratic nominee in the Presidential election, Hillary was.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#139
No, polls showed that the only candidate able to beat Trump in a two-way election was Sanders.
Bluepinky
Feb 2018
#146
Why is Sanders perpetuating this? Why did he say this about Hillary on Wednesday?
yardwork
Feb 2018
#277
Really? Ok lets compare platforms then, because you are completely wrong in your statement.
Wwcd
Feb 2018
#191
Oh, so you never saw Bernie's Agenda for America or his website during his campaign.
KPN
Feb 2018
#233
Yes, it's relevant. Now that he's built up a higher profile, I think he will use it
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#217
I think we'll be saying hello to President Pence later this year or next year....
George II
Feb 2018
#269
Haahaaa. Omg. Plenty of that sour grape vigilanteism daggers flying from all directions.
Wwcd
Feb 2018
#218
DOES NO ONE REMEMBER that she did speak up about Russian interference - or was that in an
Kashkakat v.2.0
Feb 2018
#281
I DO remember, and some others have pointed it out. Your are right -- his comment
pnwmom
Feb 2018
#283