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29. He was outgunned and not willing to die.

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:38 PM

Feb 2018

That's the problem with assault rifles. When someone opens fire on a shooter with their hand gun it's unlikely they'll drop the assailant with one shot. Not even a magazine full, as many rounds will miss. Meanwhile, the defender instantly becomes the new murder target with a spray of organ shredding high power rounds. Nobody in their right mind wants to be in that position, regardless what they say now.

When presented with a situation where they're outgunned, even trained cops retreat to a safe position.

Remember the theater shooting in Colorado where the assailant dressed as the Joker entered through a back door and began spraying the place with AR fire? That was Colorado, a state where hand guns are plentiful as cell phones, and not one person returned fire. Not one. How many there were armed that day?

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'He Never Went In': BSO Suspends Officer Who Was at Parkland Shooting [View all] Xipe Totec Feb 2018 OP

He Should Have Called A Teacher SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #1

Winner! PdxSean Feb 2018 #23

So, highly trained police officers don't have the nerve to face down a shooter bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #2

Not plural. One guy. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #11

Didnt the Vegas cops wait in the hallway? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #27

Official timeline has changed a couple times. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #75

There were armed resource officers at liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #59

I certainly don't expect arming teachers as a solution. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #74

The solution is quite easy from a logical standpoint paleotn Feb 2018 #77

It's a big problem with a huge ideological divide. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #83

I think the problem is that everyone thinks it'll be someone else's kid. Jedi Guy Feb 2018 #102

Are there any good Scott Petersons out there? blugbox Feb 2018 #3

The thin chalk line - I like that! Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #14

So much for the "good guy with a gun" argument. crazylikafox Feb 2018 #4

Check out the photo on DU right before Reagan assasination attempt. mahina Feb 2018 #7

As this speech from "West Wing" TomVilmer Feb 2018 #16

IMO the gun nuts will use this to their advantage treestar Feb 2018 #71

the school held shooter drills, but did the sherrifs office? getagrip_already Feb 2018 #5

Likely violated protocol DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2018 #57

Yes, after Columbine treestar Feb 2018 #70

Meanwhile, teachers and students liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #60

I can't imagine the Resource Officers' Cha Feb 2018 #6

I can understand not wanting to go up against a rifle, with a pistol, but apparently he didn't even AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #13

He had a rifle in his car? Cha Feb 2018 #38

That might be an unfair assumption on my part. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #73

Cha... The AR 15 can holds 100 bullets in a clip? busterbrown Feb 2018 #39

Thanks, buster.. too bad Cha Feb 2018 #41

He would never stop moving.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #43

But if a regular cop comes upon a situation where he's facing an assault weapon and he only has Squinch Feb 2018 #56

Teachers jump in front of bullets , while trumps hero first responder hides in the bushes. pwb Feb 2018 #8

i was not there Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #22

I could get in that with you but if you weren't in it its not worth the time. pwb Feb 2018 #25

Amen. Start speaking against mass murder weapons or get another job. Coward. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #24

Well that's a massive lawsuit. joshcryer Feb 2018 #9

Unfortunately, it isnt. Action_Patrol Feb 2018 #18

And Gonzales vs. City of Castle Rock. And Gonzales vs City of Bozeman. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #19

So what? They Protect and Serve each other? pwb Feb 2018 #21

I say call them responders who shoot the first black man they see. n/t mtngirl47 Feb 2018 #34

I think this is a unique enough of a case to merit a special consideration. joshcryer Feb 2018 #87

Oh. My. Gawd. You are right. scipan Feb 2018 #90

Im sorry. Action_Patrol Feb 2018 #103

So the 'good guy with the gun' chickened out, huh? Aristus Feb 2018 #10

Something something good guy with a gun... nt EarthFirst Feb 2018 #12

A hand gun against a long gun ends up with the hand gun owner dead. I don't blame the cop KWR65 Feb 2018 #15

Yea, the guy was so close to getting his pension. pwb Feb 2018 #17

Do you know how long the shooting was, approx. in minutes? Tx. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #33

I saw a report that the shooting was @ 6 minutes and the guard was filmed stationary for 4 Midnight Writer Feb 2018 #63

Thank you & more news now, other deputies were there but delayed. So sad. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #96

It is easy to monday morning quarterback. Have you ever faced a person with a long gun? KWR65 Feb 2018 #45

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #64

You're big man. KWR65 Feb 2018 #86

I served my country in Nam as an Infantryman. pwb Feb 2018 #94

Not blaming him, but now teachers are supposed to be armed dbackjon Feb 2018 #26

OK, so now the solution is.. MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #28

Sounds like a prison to me. Thats what my old high school turned into. Had to go notdarkyet Feb 2018 #32

Prison Guards Seldom Are Armed ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #72

With the 2nd amendment we aren't going to be able to get rid of guns. KWR65 Feb 2018 #44

Didn't say "guns" MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #51

Id let the gym teacher step in front of the shooter also Canoe52 Feb 2018 #50

God damn coward.....good guy with a gun Historic NY Feb 2018 #20

He was outgunned and not willing to die. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #29

And yet the NRA has the gall to suggest we arm teachers with handguns nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #30

I get your point. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #37

Your correct,most would freeze like the deer in the headlight thing and then get shot.... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #67

I recall there was a guy in the theater with a pistol. 3Hotdogs Feb 2018 #36

I can't dispute his reason... JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #40

So what was the point of having him there in the first place? Window dressing? Demit Feb 2018 #55

Dead heroes are of little help. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #62

Well, if you're saying he was in no position to help, fine. Demit Feb 2018 #85

So how do we test one's mettle under fire? JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #88

Seems to me you don't apply to the police academy, if you worry about how you'll react to danger. Demit Feb 2018 #89

I'll accept your point. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #98

I think we agree that giving teachers guns is a supremely idiotic idea. Demit Feb 2018 #104

Kind of like when they use to have the old man "cop" at the bank for security...... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #68

I wonder how well trained he was? It might have been just that, "window dressing." n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #76

What was the point of having him there? GoCubsGo Feb 2018 #107

"should have "went in, addressed the killer and killed" him." ... 20-20 hindsight keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #31

Bet he thought he had the best job dembotoz Feb 2018 #35

Not sticking up for the guy but if I had a rifle or pistol and he had an AR 15 blueinredohio Feb 2018 #42

That makes you a chickenshit gyroscope Feb 2018 #91

Call it what you want but me running in and getting killed too doesn't save a life blueinredohio Feb 2018 #105

We have BSO in Weston, where my office is... HopeAgain Feb 2018 #46

Coward hueymahl Feb 2018 #47

Many soldiers on the battlefield have had NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #48

And yet we expecting school teachers to do precisely that. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #52

And a teachers bang,bang would NOT be in a holster for them to grab easily.... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #69

A bad idea all around. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #79

The modern day equivalent of reggaehead Feb 2018 #49

Your post is confusing whopis01 Feb 2018 #66

It was reported by the survivors. drray23 Feb 2018 #101

Do you have a link for that? whopis01 Feb 2018 #108

No excuse! gyroscope Feb 2018 #93

He would have been committing suicide. YOHABLO Feb 2018 #53

Pretty much, I think any officer would call for backup at this point. harun Feb 2018 #84

First of all what kind of weapon did the cop have? I assume maybe a 9mm doc03 Feb 2018 #54

What kind of weapons did the kids have? pwb Feb 2018 #65

The first thing a cop does in a case like that is call for back up. I figure the deputies at the doc03 Feb 2018 #100

Maybe it really is a mental health issue. IronLionZion Feb 2018 #58

I'm beginning to think we need mental health exams for our politicians, many of whom RKP5637 Feb 2018 #80

Armed guards are merely visual deterrents RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #61

That's what I'm wondering too, was he there more for window dressing, a visual deterrent, and RKP5637 Feb 2018 #78

The idea in the past was No one is crazy enough.... RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #81

Yep!!! Plus often some look woefully physically unfit for the job. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #82

Makes customers feel safe (or parents dropping kids off) harun Feb 2018 #95

What a useless chickenshit gyroscope Feb 2018 #92

There's nothing easier than being a Monday morning quarterback. raccoon Feb 2018 #97

Truly. Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #99

Yep. GoCubsGo Feb 2018 #106

I will not condemn him TexasBushwhacker Feb 2018 #109