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57. Likely violated protocol

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:23 PM

Feb 2018

Every active shooter protocol I have ever heard being taught is immediately locate and confront the shooter, regardless of if you have back up or not. Reason being twofold, first you draw their attention to you, and away from everyone else, and two, spree shooters have a habit of offing themselves as soon as they are confronted. Most departments quit with the waiting around until swat has an entry team set up unless it's a hostage situation.

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'He Never Went In': BSO Suspends Officer Who Was at Parkland Shooting [View all] Xipe Totec Feb 2018 OP

He Should Have Called A Teacher SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #1

Winner! PdxSean Feb 2018 #23

So, highly trained police officers don't have the nerve to face down a shooter bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #2

Not plural. One guy. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #11

Didnt the Vegas cops wait in the hallway? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #27

Official timeline has changed a couple times. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #75

There were armed resource officers at liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #59

I certainly don't expect arming teachers as a solution. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #74

The solution is quite easy from a logical standpoint paleotn Feb 2018 #77

It's a big problem with a huge ideological divide. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #83

I think the problem is that everyone thinks it'll be someone else's kid. Jedi Guy Feb 2018 #102

Are there any good Scott Petersons out there? blugbox Feb 2018 #3

The thin chalk line - I like that! Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #14

So much for the "good guy with a gun" argument. crazylikafox Feb 2018 #4

Check out the photo on DU right before Reagan assasination attempt. mahina Feb 2018 #7

As this speech from "West Wing" TomVilmer Feb 2018 #16

IMO the gun nuts will use this to their advantage treestar Feb 2018 #71

the school held shooter drills, but did the sherrifs office? getagrip_already Feb 2018 #5

Likely violated protocol DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2018 #57

Yes, after Columbine treestar Feb 2018 #70

Meanwhile, teachers and students liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #60

I can't imagine the Resource Officers' Cha Feb 2018 #6

I can understand not wanting to go up against a rifle, with a pistol, but apparently he didn't even AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #13

He had a rifle in his car? Cha Feb 2018 #38

That might be an unfair assumption on my part. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #73

Cha... The AR 15 can holds 100 bullets in a clip? busterbrown Feb 2018 #39

Thanks, buster.. too bad Cha Feb 2018 #41

He would never stop moving.. busterbrown Feb 2018 #43

But if a regular cop comes upon a situation where he's facing an assault weapon and he only has Squinch Feb 2018 #56

Teachers jump in front of bullets , while trumps hero first responder hides in the bushes. pwb Feb 2018 #8

i was not there Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #22

I could get in that with you but if you weren't in it its not worth the time. pwb Feb 2018 #25

Amen. Start speaking against mass murder weapons or get another job. Coward. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #24

Well that's a massive lawsuit. joshcryer Feb 2018 #9

Unfortunately, it isnt. Action_Patrol Feb 2018 #18

And Gonzales vs. City of Castle Rock. And Gonzales vs City of Bozeman. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #19

So what? They Protect and Serve each other? pwb Feb 2018 #21

I say call them responders who shoot the first black man they see. n/t mtngirl47 Feb 2018 #34

I think this is a unique enough of a case to merit a special consideration. joshcryer Feb 2018 #87

Oh. My. Gawd. You are right. scipan Feb 2018 #90

Im sorry. Action_Patrol Feb 2018 #103

So the 'good guy with the gun' chickened out, huh? Aristus Feb 2018 #10

Something something good guy with a gun... nt EarthFirst Feb 2018 #12

A hand gun against a long gun ends up with the hand gun owner dead. I don't blame the cop KWR65 Feb 2018 #15

Yea, the guy was so close to getting his pension. pwb Feb 2018 #17

Do you know how long the shooting was, approx. in minutes? Tx. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #33

I saw a report that the shooting was @ 6 minutes and the guard was filmed stationary for 4 Midnight Writer Feb 2018 #63

Thank you & more news now, other deputies were there but delayed. So sad. appalachiablue Feb 2018 #96

It is easy to monday morning quarterback. Have you ever faced a person with a long gun? KWR65 Feb 2018 #45

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #64

You're big man. KWR65 Feb 2018 #86

I served my country in Nam as an Infantryman. pwb Feb 2018 #94

Not blaming him, but now teachers are supposed to be armed dbackjon Feb 2018 #26

OK, so now the solution is.. MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #28

Sounds like a prison to me. Thats what my old high school turned into. Had to go notdarkyet Feb 2018 #32

Prison Guards Seldom Are Armed ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #72

With the 2nd amendment we aren't going to be able to get rid of guns. KWR65 Feb 2018 #44

Didn't say "guns" MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #51

Id let the gym teacher step in front of the shooter also Canoe52 Feb 2018 #50

God damn coward.....good guy with a gun Historic NY Feb 2018 #20

He was outgunned and not willing to die. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #29

And yet the NRA has the gall to suggest we arm teachers with handguns nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #30

I get your point. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #37

Your correct,most would freeze like the deer in the headlight thing and then get shot.... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #67

I recall there was a guy in the theater with a pistol. 3Hotdogs Feb 2018 #36

I can't dispute his reason... JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #40

So what was the point of having him there in the first place? Window dressing? Demit Feb 2018 #55

Dead heroes are of little help. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #62

Well, if you're saying he was in no position to help, fine. Demit Feb 2018 #85

So how do we test one's mettle under fire? JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #88

Seems to me you don't apply to the police academy, if you worry about how you'll react to danger. Demit Feb 2018 #89

I'll accept your point. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #98

I think we agree that giving teachers guns is a supremely idiotic idea. Demit Feb 2018 #104

Kind of like when they use to have the old man "cop" at the bank for security...... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #68

I wonder how well trained he was? It might have been just that, "window dressing." n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #76

What was the point of having him there? GoCubsGo Feb 2018 #107

"should have "went in, addressed the killer and killed" him." ... 20-20 hindsight keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #31

Bet he thought he had the best job dembotoz Feb 2018 #35

Not sticking up for the guy but if I had a rifle or pistol and he had an AR 15 blueinredohio Feb 2018 #42

That makes you a chickenshit gyroscope Feb 2018 #91

Call it what you want but me running in and getting killed too doesn't save a life blueinredohio Feb 2018 #105

We have BSO in Weston, where my office is... HopeAgain Feb 2018 #46

Coward hueymahl Feb 2018 #47

Many soldiers on the battlefield have had NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #48

And yet we expecting school teachers to do precisely that. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #52

And a teachers bang,bang would NOT be in a holster for them to grab easily.... Bengus81 Feb 2018 #69

A bad idea all around. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #79

The modern day equivalent of reggaehead Feb 2018 #49

Your post is confusing whopis01 Feb 2018 #66

It was reported by the survivors. drray23 Feb 2018 #101

Do you have a link for that? whopis01 Feb 2018 #108

No excuse! gyroscope Feb 2018 #93

He would have been committing suicide. YOHABLO Feb 2018 #53

Pretty much, I think any officer would call for backup at this point. harun Feb 2018 #84

First of all what kind of weapon did the cop have? I assume maybe a 9mm doc03 Feb 2018 #54

What kind of weapons did the kids have? pwb Feb 2018 #65

The first thing a cop does in a case like that is call for back up. I figure the deputies at the doc03 Feb 2018 #100

Maybe it really is a mental health issue. IronLionZion Feb 2018 #58

I'm beginning to think we need mental health exams for our politicians, many of whom RKP5637 Feb 2018 #80

Armed guards are merely visual deterrents RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #61

That's what I'm wondering too, was he there more for window dressing, a visual deterrent, and RKP5637 Feb 2018 #78

The idea in the past was No one is crazy enough.... RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #81

Yep!!! Plus often some look woefully physically unfit for the job. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #82

Makes customers feel safe (or parents dropping kids off) harun Feb 2018 #95

What a useless chickenshit gyroscope Feb 2018 #92

There's nothing easier than being a Monday morning quarterback. raccoon Feb 2018 #97

Truly. Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #99

Yep. GoCubsGo Feb 2018 #106

I will not condemn him TexasBushwhacker Feb 2018 #109