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R B Garr

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149. Yes, we should be discussing Vermont more than

Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:42 AM

Feb 2018

California. Vermont politicians should be explaining to us all why they don’t have the policies in effect they demand of others. No hypocrisy.

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California Democrats decline to endorse Feinstein [View all] DonViejo Feb 2018 OP

I'm cool with that Cartoonist Feb 2018 #1

I'm not. LisaM Feb 2018 #101

... mcar Feb 2018 #2

Rebuke? I thought they NEVER endorse before the primary, which is it? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #127

It seems like Politico, at least, is trying to push mcar Feb 2018 #129

It's not uncommon for a State Convention to not endorse a particular candidate... George II Feb 2018 #3

"...the vote this weekend - while embarrassing - was not unexpected." TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #4

For the vote that really counts, the Primary, she's ahead 41% to 27%. George II Feb 2018 #5

+1 lunasun Feb 2018 #106

This seems to be visceral reaction BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #6

+1000 SkyDaddy7 Feb 2018 #107

My 2 cents left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #7

I don't think it's about age. zentrum Feb 2018 #10

+1 jalan48 Feb 2018 #14

+2 Go progressives! nt earthshine Feb 2018 #32

+3! Should have given you a Valentine's heart! Next year. KPN Feb 2018 #60

Lol. Thank you. Very zentrum Feb 2018 #90

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Feb 2018 #76

Thank you, zentrum. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #134

What does "Bernie" have to do with this? We're talking about California. George II Feb 2018 #163

This part of the discussion zentrum Feb 2018 #166

Is Vermont exempt from this reform?? R B Garr Feb 2018 #171

There were almost 3000 Delegates at the convention. Which "they" said..... George II Feb 2018 #172

Will Bernie be primaried in Vermont? He has not R B Garr Feb 2018 #168

How is Bernie being zentrum Feb 2018 #173

In California the top two finishers in the non-partisan primary face off in the GE. George II Feb 2018 #174

As I say, I assume zentrum Feb 2018 #175

If "the same old order" prevails it will be the will of the people of California.... George II Feb 2018 #177

Your own post #10 says "Look at Bernie" R B Garr Feb 2018 #179

Actually, my comment zentrum Feb 2018 #182

Yes. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #133

For some, lack of endorsement by the Democratic establishment is a measure progressive credibility. ehrnst Feb 2018 #8

What is progressive credibility? What does that mean? KPN Feb 2018 #61

Oh, hello. ehrnst Feb 2018 #64

Actually, I meant that question quite honestly. Where have I heard KPN Feb 2018 #66

If you were on DU in early 2016 ehrnst Feb 2018 #67

Do you consider yourself to be a progressive? KPN Feb 2018 #68

Yes. It's why I'm a Democrat. ehrnst Feb 2018 #69

Yes, of course. But I think we think differently about what that means KPN Feb 2018 #70

I think that many view politics in a tribal context. ehrnst Feb 2018 #71

But what you characterize as tribal or litmus tests are not always seen that way KPN Feb 2018 #73

To replace one dogma with another, no matter how exciting to some ehrnst Feb 2018 #74

Not all dogma are equal. KPN Feb 2018 #75

Change needs to be evidence based ehrnst Feb 2018 #79

Not dismissing those victories or social issues KPN Feb 2018 #84

When you were talking about the 'dogma that has been shown to be ineffective for the last 40 years' ehrnst Feb 2018 #85

I read this article in the San Siego Free Press this past week BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #88

You may have me confused with the poster that I asked the question of ehrnst Feb 2018 #91

Well, clearly, the assumption that seeking KPN Feb 2018 #96

So you are saying that for the last 40 years ehrnst Feb 2018 #97

To answer your first queston: Yes, generally. But I also get and appreciate what KPN Feb 2018 #100

So are we still talking about 40 years? or are we going back to 68 and 72? ehrnst Feb 2018 #103

Crickets... ehrnst Feb 2018 #162

Where? Patience -- been busy with other stuff. Ever happen to you? KPN Feb 2018 #164

So you refuse to answer concerning the specific, particular issues that I listed. ehrnst Feb 2018 #165

Lol. I did answer. You just didn't accept my answer it seems. KPN Feb 2018 #167

Yes, I genuinely missed it. Can you repeat the answer to this question? ehrnst Feb 2018 #169

Here you go. KPN Feb 2018 #170

Going to keep avoiding adressing the issues/legislation I specified, I see. ehrnst Feb 2018 #178

Why would they be embarrassing? KPN Feb 2018 #180

Nice pivot. ehrnst Feb 2018 #181

Nice pivot yourself. So why would they be embarassing? KPN Feb 2018 #186

... ehrnst Feb 2018 #188

Clever. KPN Feb 2018 #190

Paul knew how to get things done ehrnst Feb 2018 #191

Thanks for sharing. Well, he was and still is a true blue progressive in my eyes. KPN Feb 2018 #194

The Times They are a Changin'............. jalan48 Feb 2018 #9

As she left the stage, de Len supporters in the crowd yelled back at the 84-year-old, Times up! T Henhouse Feb 2018 #11

That is revolting mcar Feb 2018 #36

+1, their methods are very recognizable childish sneering. R B Garr Feb 2018 #42

I was there. She went over her allotted speaking time and music started playing like at the deurbano Feb 2018 #43

Thanks for the close-up info, deurbano. elleng Feb 2018 #50

Thanks. Glad to know that its collective Democratic head is still okay. ancianita Feb 2018 #54

Thanks for the on-the-ground reporting and even handed analysis. Im also noticing a lot of suffragette Feb 2018 #72

De Leon Garners A Lot Of Corporate Money Me. Feb 2018 #104

Thanks for the first-person account mcar Feb 2018 #130

It is time for Dianne Feinstein to stop running. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #136

This will only matter if the older men like Bernie are R B Garr Feb 2018 #147

Those of us in California will make that decision. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #151

I live here. R B Garr Feb 2018 #154

It isn't contrived divisiveness. Southern California has a larger population than Sophia4 Feb 2018 #155

This is very seriously contrived. Its hard to take this R B Garr Feb 2018 #156

Northern California has two senators. Southern California has had no senator since 1992. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #157

So it is about Northern California vs Southern California. R B Garr Feb 2018 #158

I want to add that Sophia4 Feb 2018 #152

The same type of empty demonization of Feinstein R B Garr Feb 2018 #153

They didn't endorse anybody Cha Feb 2018 #12

Quite Right Me. Feb 2018 #105

Yes, now that we know the russianbots are Cha Feb 2018 #122

Very, and not just bots. There are FSB or KGB agents assigned to posting on social media Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #192

I hope De Leon wins! ananda Feb 2018 #13

Unless you are from California, those of us who are will decide quite nicely who will represent our still_one Feb 2018 #23

+++ sheshe2 Feb 2018 #27

+1 dalton99a Feb 2018 #29

Unless you are from California ... LenaBaby61 Feb 2018 #30

+1000! mcar Feb 2018 #37

I'm from Ca, and I think I'd prefer to have her remain in the Senate. olddad56 Feb 2018 #87

DU is replete with threads in which people opine about out-of-state races. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #131

This isn't just opining, it is distorting and misrepresenting Feinstein as some kind of "republican still_one Feb 2018 #135

Sorry, but it IS "just opining" Jim Lane Feb 2018 #145

The "our revolution" gang has no idea about de Leon's politics, for them it is just anything but still_one Feb 2018 #148

THIS. ehrnst Feb 2018 #161

Yes, we should be discussing Vermont more than R B Garr Feb 2018 #149

I do think Feinstein should lose. David__77 Feb 2018 #34

Also a lifelong Californian SoCalNative Feb 2018 #80

I think its good that, either way, a Democrat will win. David__77 Feb 2018 #95

yes it is, and the fact is that both de Leon and Feinstein are both good Democrats who align with still_one Feb 2018 #137

amd you will have a chance to vote in June and November as will I, and we will see who will win still_one Feb 2018 #93

I agree. MosheFeingold Feb 2018 #176

There's just too much trump-russia ... woundedkarma Feb 2018 #15

+1 from me pandr32 Feb 2018 #18

Party sould not endorse a ,,, Cryptoad Feb 2018 #16

Amen left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #25

Good. This is what needs to be done in blue states.... vi5 Feb 2018 #17

Are you from California? still_one Feb 2018 #21

When was the last time she voted against the party? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #22

19 times in this last session to be exact... vi5 Feb 2018 #45

I wish your link worked RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #51

She's had some fairly hawkish votes..... vi5 Feb 2018 #53

Remove the period at the end: Qutzupalotl Feb 2018 #78

No surprise that Politico would MIS-characterize the situation. Politico, based in Virgina, telling still_one Feb 2018 #19

California Democrats decline to endorse de Leon Tactical Peek Feb 2018 #26

Exactly. Stir the pot, attract readers, get advertising bucks still_one Feb 2018 #57

De Leon won a majority of support at convention. David__77 Feb 2018 #39

Feinstein has the majority support of likely DEMCRATIC voters still_one Feb 2018 #58

That poll doesnt invalidate that De Leon won majority support at the convention. David__77 Feb 2018 #59

I agree. Politico consistently creates controversy within the Democratic Party. KPN Feb 2018 #63

May I offer a word of caution. pazzyanne Feb 2018 #20

Is it? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #24

Just saying that a seat that would have been a sure thing pazzyanne Feb 2018 #41

May I offer a word of caution. LenaBaby61 Feb 2018 #31

Come on.......dude! spicysista Feb 2018 #28

economic & foreign policy centrists kill turn out yurbud Feb 2018 #44

Leftists lose swing voters which decide elections. nm mr_liberal Feb 2018 #77

that's partly wishful thinking, partly bad strategy for winning those voters yurbud Feb 2018 #99

If there were a partisan primary, I think Feinstein could lose. David__77 Feb 2018 #33

that's a good bit of info. I thought she was at least progressive on stuff like that yurbud Feb 2018 #46

Here is an article on that. David__77 Feb 2018 #47

wow. She could have done NOTHING & let it go into effect and been off the hook politically yurbud Feb 2018 #49

Of course they didn't. leftofcool Feb 2018 #35

It's time for a change. BadGimp Feb 2018 #38

time to retire. She is good on gun control & social issues but when money is involved... yurbud Feb 2018 #40

She could always retire and help her husband madville Feb 2018 #56

no kidding. yurbud Feb 2018 #62

From me in San Francisco: Throwing Feinstein out at this time would be a horrible mistake. NBachers Feb 2018 #48

From Iraq war, to flag burning constitution amendments, a shit sandwich of political positions. David__77 Feb 2018 #52

As someone who was represented by her for years Egnever Feb 2018 #81

We need young blood in the democratic party KWR65 Feb 2018 #55

I have no problem with this since she's always been a defense hawk, but! Javaman Feb 2018 #65

I don't think the Russian government has hundreds of agents among the CA Democratic Party delegates. David__77 Feb 2018 #110

doesn't have to be "hundreds of agents" that's very old school Javaman Feb 2018 #114

Do you think Twitter activity caused the majority of delegates to vote for De Leon? David__77 Feb 2018 #116

I have no idea Javaman Feb 2018 #117

Holy shit, the comments on this OP thegoose Feb 2018 #82

Taking back control of the House and the Senate summer_in_TX Feb 2018 #86

Did you forget this? LisaM Feb 2018 #102

Way past time to make humbled_opinion Feb 2018 #83

"conflict between progressive and more moderate forces" bunt homer Feb 2018 #89

I have no problem voting out Feinstein reggaehead Feb 2018 #92

I don't know how to feel. SteveABG Feb 2018 #94

This? For Example Me. Feb 2018 #111

I searched and didn't see indication that Ben Hueso's Hortensis Feb 2018 #120

If It Was Untrue, I'd See It As A Hit Job Me. Feb 2018 #123

Providing a babysitter instead of a driver? Really? It's NOT true. Hortensis Feb 2018 #125

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree On This Me. Feb 2018 #126

I don't see that perk as outrageous. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #132

I Understand Your Point Me. Feb 2018 #138

It's certainly not THE solution. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #146

It's Not The Worst, As You Say Me. Feb 2018 #150

Yeah SteveABG Mar 2018 #195

The Russian Bots have ramped up support for this in the last 48 hours ehrnst Feb 2018 #98

They wasted no time tossing out magical fairie dust..AGAIN Wwcd Feb 2018 #108

Kevin De Leon is a Democrat, and won majority support at the state convention. David__77 Feb 2018 #109

They Already Have A Dem Me. Feb 2018 #112

So do Lipinski's constituents in Illinois. David__77 Feb 2018 #113

Are You Seriously Comparing The Two? Me. Feb 2018 #115

Feinstein and Lipinski are both Democrats. David__77 Feb 2018 #118

One Is Ultra Conservative Me. Feb 2018 #119

Yes they do. And she has shown the strength & value of her wisdom & long serving status lately. Wwcd Feb 2018 #121

How About The Release Of The Fusion GPS Testimony Me. Feb 2018 #124

We all know who's pushing to get rid of DF. Wwcd Feb 2018 #139

Here's Some Info For You Me. Feb 2018 #141

Holee Fk! And THIS is who the CA Nurses have endorsed??! Wwcd Feb 2018 #142

They Didn't Miss His Background, They Are Conveniently Ignoring It Me. Feb 2018 #185

Who began the 1st Woman's Movement March? Yup. Wwcd Feb 2018 #187

We Have To Keep Pushing This Conversation Me. Feb 2018 #189

Interesting. de Leon helped to kill whistleblower R B Garr Feb 2018 #183

Right Me. Feb 2018 #184

I think she'll win anyway mvd Feb 2018 #128

Old? But she's not stupid nor wish washy in her knowledge of pushing against the Repubs.. Wwcd Feb 2018 #140

I strongly suspect there will be some sad people come November. herding cats Feb 2018 #143

Surprised Sarandon hasn't jumped on this . Yet. Wwcd Feb 2018 #144

Only a matter of time. democratisphere Feb 2018 #160

It's simple. United we can win, divided we will remain where we are and democratisphere Feb 2018 #159

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