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201. If the Democratic Party refuses to give all candidates and equal chance in the primary,

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:13 AM

Mar 2018

how in the world can it know who is or is not electable?

Who is the "our" in "our candidate"?

Are we never to have change?????

I think that professional campaigners, people paid to manage campaigns, should allow ALL Democratic voters to have a say in who will win a primary and run in the November election.

It is utterly fascistic for one or the other party to pick the candidates without the input from the primary voters.

This is the Russian model for picking the candidate.

No. I'm not for it. Primaries should be as open to Democratic voters as possible. It should be a testing ground for potential candidates and also, more importantly, for their ideas. It's also a practice session for the candidates.

I am not for the dictatorship of party leaders.

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Bernie Sanders tells Democrats to back off primary attacks [View all] TexasTowelie Mar 2018 OP

alrighty then Skittles Mar 2018 #1

no ! stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #2

Pot, meet kettle. brush Mar 2018 #3

Well said.. Cha Mar 2018 #200

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #4

are you sure you got it right? What was the insult against her district? What was it she said? nt JCanete Mar 2018 #5

She also funnelled money...50,000 into her husband's consulting firm. I don't think she can win. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #18

it's not about what jersey people wear, it's what policies they support yurbud Mar 2018 #48

Excuse me? No it is about electability...the most pure in terms of policy are useless if they can't Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #80

and how did the Democrats do in 2016 or the statehouses & governorships? yurbud Mar 2018 #160

The legislatures are gerrymandered and when the top loses so do the lower candidates... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #193

Actually gerrymandering and Russian interference ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

If the Democratic Party refuses to give all candidates and equal chance in the primary, Sophia4 Mar 2018 #201

The Democratic Party is behaving "utterly fascistic?" Hortensis Mar 2018 #205

I totally agree with your statements about democracy and the purpose of political Sophia4 Mar 2018 #224

Who is advocating "blindly following party leadership?" You make a lot of accusations ehrnst Mar 2018 #231

PUtting the word "blindly" in there at first seems clever, but it is just another TACTIC Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #237

So now youve morphed into implying corruption at every R B Garr Mar 2018 #243

I didn't suggest anything about Sanders and Clinton. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #244

You are only pushing the contrived corruption conspiracy R B Garr Mar 2018 #251

Alert, some posts on DU and elsewhere on social media are written in Russia... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #226

Right. Sigh. We are in the 2018 primaries. Hortensis Mar 2018 #229

Wanna get REALLY mad? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #230

Since Moser (who will never win the Texas General ) is in the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #206

We Democratic voters, not "the party leaders." picked our candidate in 2016. What r u talking about? ehrnst Mar 2018 #212

"Our" is the collective members of the DEMOCRATIC Party. Which Democratic voters (as in.... George II Mar 2018 #219

It is my understanding that some here, not necessarily you, Sophia4 Mar 2018 #223

I haven't seen that at all. George II Mar 2018 #225

That is the way it is supposed to be! Sophia4 Mar 2018 #227

You keep saying that it's not, but never back up your accusations against the Party with any facts. ehrnst Mar 2018 #233

Yes, that's what I've seen as well. Except for caucuses -which disenfranchise voters. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #234

Who is saying that? Sounds like a strawman to me. ehrnst Mar 2018 #235

Oh heck no, never, what system are you talking about? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #104

But we have been failing at that for years. You seem to think its because we've been hard on JCanete Mar 2018 #110

I didnt say or mean any of that. This is how simple it is. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #111

what polls are you talking about? Vote for the candidate in the primary you want. If people get JCanete Mar 2018 #113

+1000! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #122

But what if I want a candidate that is tailored to my User Preferences? ehrnst Mar 2018 #214

I just read a response to me that was written in Russia. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #222

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #232

Where did you read that? Please tell me you wouldn't make an accusation like that without JCanete Mar 2018 #246

what does that even have to do with what I said? Our approach has been failing, that is JCanete Mar 2018 #238

Just this week, self-styled "moderates" voted against the reforms we made in the Sophia4 Mar 2018 #228

Yep, but even when dealing with racism, we always ignore the forces that make those JCanete Mar 2018 #245

What have Democrats been failing at for years? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #236

are you serious right now? Being nearly perpetually in the minority and losing 1000 seats in JCanete Mar 2018 #242

What is "the hard line in the sand" you are referring to? ehrnst Mar 2018 #249

of course it does. Had we been winning seats then the GOP wouldn't have had that opportunity, JCanete Mar 2018 #252

Actually money buys media time. And analyst services. And researchers. ehrnst Mar 2018 #253

It is harder to assess whether a donor is getting what he or she or it paid for JCanete Mar 2018 #254

Actually, it's against the law for banks and corporations to give money to candidates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #255

I love how people here are perfectly willing to follow the money JCanete Mar 2018 #256

According to the FEC Website: ehrnst Mar 2018 #257

That is not the issue. The issues are how do we identify the best, most electable Sophia4 Mar 2018 #202

my understanding is that also was not true, but maybe the source I heard it from was wrong. JCanete Mar 2018 #68

It doesn't matter what is was spent on...the money provided some income to both of them...it is a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #79

no, God no! The point is to nominate people with actual ideology. Not with team spirit, JCanete Mar 2018 #95

Ideology is meaningless if the person doesn't get elected. You field the best candidate for Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #102

Its you who don't get to have it both ways. The party is trying to decide who is JCanete Mar 2018 #105

The party pointed out issues Moser has. She has not denied any of it. I think the DCCC should Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #135

that baggage, unless there's something I didnt' hear about is pretty weak. By the way though, JCanete Mar 2018 #240

50,000 to your husband's campaign is not a nothing...the GOP will use it against her... Yes I know Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #250

I cant believe people are still saying what you just said. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #106

say something of substance or don't bother. What is your grievence with what I said? JCanete Mar 2018 #107

So, JCanete, what IS Moser's real ideology? Hortensis Mar 2018 #207

I haven't endorsed her. You're totally right, I don't know these things. She's not in my district or JCanete Mar 2018 #239

Hate Joediss Mar 2018 #116

He is commenting on he DCCC actually. I think fletcher is the best candidate...really Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #131

I like... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #6

So the attacks are only acceptable murielm99 Mar 2018 #7

Someone should remind him of what Our Revolution/Steve Brown did to Sri Kulkarni. George II Mar 2018 #11

They didn't do that with party funds. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2018 #21

Who did it with party funds? George II Mar 2018 #50

The DCCC is a party organ. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #137

since most who value Our Revolution don't donate...I doubt it was done with funds that were supplied Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #103

Hi, Dem. We auto-donate to the DCCC and the DSCC. Hortensis Mar 2018 #209

I agree...she is supported by them. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #215

Well, no matter how smart the DCCC becomes, Hortensis Mar 2018 #218

I don't want to mess with your mind BUT GaryCnf Mar 2018 #158

Yes, and thank you (not messing with my head at all!!!) George II Mar 2018 #165

Yea, it was just a deferred prosecution, no conviction entered GaryCnf Mar 2018 #192

I read somewhere that the MLBPA has castigated the NFL about some of their playing rules! George II Mar 2018 #54

Do you see any difference at all betwen the DNC getting involved and attacking somebody in a JCanete Mar 2018 #71

Yep, this is the point. potone Mar 2018 #88

The king making -aka coronation - fallacy gave us Trump. bettyellen Mar 2018 #157

oh come on. For starters, that is not what gave us Trump. Secondly, bullshit if you JCanete Mar 2018 #161

I actually think they ought to have a better vetting processand not let people temporarily bettyellen Mar 2018 #162

because they are us...fucking a. We get to decide who we want to vote for in the primary. JCanete Mar 2018 #163

You think Dems should let Nazis put a D after their name, and I do not. bettyellen Mar 2018 #164

well when that becomes an issue we can talk about it. How much democratic support is your JCanete Mar 2018 #166

These days I wouldnt put it past anyone to try and put a D after their name to bring down other bettyellen Mar 2018 #167

This message was self-deleted by its author BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #178

Laura Moser's likely a plain old Democrat, Hortensis Mar 2018 #210

The Democratic Party has no say in the matter. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #169

hopefully theyll make tax returns a ballot requirement going forward.... bettyellen Mar 2018 #174

That also will be a matter of state law. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #176

I know- a few states are working on just that! I think its great. At this point we cant rely on bettyellen Mar 2018 #177

Double edged sword bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #8

That could be stand-up comedy. lol. BootinUp Mar 2018 #9

Is he aware of the attack his Our Revolution endorsed candidate, Steve Brown.... George II Mar 2018 #10

Hee hee shenmue Mar 2018 #12

Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #37

Interesting Word.... 'Warning' Me. Mar 2018 #89

again, totally different than the party putting its thumb on the scales when supposedly JCanete Mar 2018 #75

Nope. You should research into what the DCCC is. George II Mar 2018 #78

the official campaign arm of the democrats in the house? I wish sometimes you would JCanete Mar 2018 #99

Other than its members being elected House Democrats, the DCCC has no connection to the DNC. George II Mar 2018 #109

what does official mean to you? Is it an independant pac? Democratic leadership JCanete Mar 2018 #112

You're drifting away from the discussion about the DCCC being "the party". George II Mar 2018 #114

eff...didn't put a title and lost a big post. will respond later. JCanete Mar 2018 #125

It happens. If you're like me, no doubt it won't be as good the second time around. George II Mar 2018 #127

heh, on the bright side you aren't subjected to what was probably too long winded. nt JCanete Mar 2018 #139

OK, I did research it, and you're wrong. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #141

what about calling for a primary opponent against President Obama? grantcart Mar 2018 #100

Wonder if his son, Levi, will attack any Dems Cha Mar 2018 #146

He sure acts like he's not aware of any other attacks Cha Mar 2018 #147

Satire is dead. /nt yardwork Mar 2018 #13

Too bad we cant have an open and honest discussion about this Fullduplexxx Mar 2018 #14

It is too bad. Maybe one day soon... comradebillyboy Mar 2018 #133

Exactly, Fullduplexxx. Cha Mar 2018 #151

Imagine if a Democrat had said that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #15

Bernie Means Well but Until He Joins the Party, He Needs to Stop Criticizing the Democrats dlk Mar 2018 #16

Are you sure he means well? lark Mar 2018 #20

careful Skittles Mar 2018 #72

That isn't accurate. He said he knew post-primary that there was russian interference. compared JCanete Mar 2018 #76

Getting more and more disappointed in Bernie. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #156

".. means well.." I don't think so. Cha Mar 2018 #152

There's no evidence he means well. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #180

Exactly.. not if you've been Cha Mar 2018 #198

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #221

Bernie is not a Democrat. Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #17

Wow! Thanks, I didn't know that! Jim Lane Mar 2018 #22

No. I don't think I could ever warm to him. nt jrthin Mar 2018 #58

Thank you for being candid. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #134

BS needs to acknowledge and address what Our Revolution lapucelle Mar 2018 #85

Thank Goodness the "our revolution" candidate Cha Mar 2018 #154

Sri has made a new life for himself. I am glad he won. #flipitblue riversedge Mar 2018 #179

I know both candidates and I am glad that the our revolution candidate lost Gothmog Mar 2018 #186

I remember these protests Gothmog Mar 2018 #188

Yet he votes with Dems. Does that annoy you, too? babylonsister Mar 2018 #29

Someone who wants to tell the Democratic party what to do should ehrnst Mar 2018 #30

So much for that big tent. We should babylonsister Mar 2018 #33

There was also this vote: George II Mar 2018 #57

Another misleading headline. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #140

Iraq has squat to go with this thread... R B Garr Mar 2018 #196

"To ignore the actual reason for his vote is deceptive." ehrnst Mar 2018 #217

I for one don't ignore that reason. It's part of the criticism. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #248

What do you mean by "embracing?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #93

I don't know if you've seen this: Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #216

Yes, I know, and the angry gnashing of teeth here on DU when he was ehrnst Mar 2018 #220

He's not a Democrat, what right does he have to speak for the party? Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #36

He's not speaking for the party, just expressing his babylonsister Mar 2018 #38

No, he's telling them NOT to do something Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #40

Oh, he will try to join when it suits and benefits him. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #42

There's another Glaring reason he Cha Mar 2018 #199

I notice that he's commented about "Democrats" and told them what to do. Does anyone know.... George II Mar 2018 #65

"Stay in the D party" the Senator said a hundred times or more. Sunlei Mar 2018 #183

because his personal principles and political compass align more Left than Right ... BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #90

FORWARD TOGETHER LADS and LASSES! DemocracyMouse Mar 2018 #56

In other news Progressive dog Mar 2018 #19

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... samnsara Mar 2018 #23

I don't care who said it or why they said it. Cold War Spook Mar 2018 #24

I'm for Progressives and against Establishment candidates. Whole world is that way right now. harun Mar 2018 #25

Which candidates are you against? Other than GOP candidates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #26

For and against is about more than voting. harun Mar 2018 #31

So why are you on DU? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #32

It is "Democratic Underground" not "Democratic Establishment", that's why. harun Mar 2018 #34

How do you define "Democratic establishment?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #35

Members of Congress who vote with Conservatives harun Mar 2018 #39

You mean like this? ehrnst Mar 2018 #41

+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #43

That person isn't part of the Progressive Caucus anymore, correct? harun Mar 2018 #49

Check it out... Agschmid Mar 2018 #51

A lot of the bills are more complex than a single line item. Sometimes they are compromising harun Mar 2018 #62

So, NOW you're saying that some politicians get a pass for voting with conservatives. ehrnst Mar 2018 #98

So when Bernie does it, it is OK? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #108

Oh okay sure... whatever then. Agschmid Mar 2018 #185

If one were to give citations/links, to use your words, "it would be flagged". George II Mar 2018 #53

I sent them in a PM ehrnst Mar 2018 #115

Being in the Senate would preclude them from member of the Congressional Caucus, wouldn't it? ehrnst Mar 2018 #55

I never set any goal posts. My only push is for how working people get to harun Mar 2018 #61

You said that the definition of "Establishment Democrat" ehrnst Mar 2018 #64

It is pretty easy to tell who is buddy buddy with the Corporate Media, harun Mar 2018 #66

It is illegal for any candidate to accept corporate donations. George II Mar 2018 #69

No it isn't. They have a limit, but then they can get Super PAC support harun Mar 2018 #73

Corporations are prohibited from contributing to candidates. Zero! George II Mar 2018 #77

Maybe you mean in Canada harun Mar 2018 #81

Why the comment about Canada? From your own link: George II Mar 2018 #83

They funnel money support through PAC's and other means harun Mar 2018 #136

"why the fuck are you advocating a moronic point in favor of Corps not directly funding campaigns?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #171

From your link lapucelle Mar 2018 #191

You mean like this? ehrnst Mar 2018 #87

So now you're changing the your definition of "Establishment Democrats" ehrnst Mar 2018 #82

Justice Democrats - you mean the group Cenk Uygur & Kyle Kulinski founded? ehrnst Mar 2018 #97

Yes, and both recently resigned in shame. George II Mar 2018 #117

Right. Cenk works for RT America. ehrnst Mar 2018 #119

Thank you. murielm99 Mar 2018 #126

Isn't Justice Democrats the organization from which its two founders recently resigned... George II Mar 2018 #101

And Cenk Ugur's TYT got bought by a Republican helmed firm in 2014 ehrnst Mar 2018 #121

Hmmm, a right wing lobbyist. George II Mar 2018 #124

Yep, Cenk Uygur and Kyle Kulinski resigned from Cha Mar 2018 #204

Crickets... (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #45

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #52

First of all.. your premise is wrong.. "establishment" Cha Mar 2018 #142

If in your reality harun Mar 2018 #148

Overused Insult Buzzword.. It's tired and stale. Cha Mar 2018 #149

It's actually gone well beyond buzzword to the realm of a fucking cliche BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #182

It lost all its meaning when people began referring mcar Mar 2018 #170

Exactly, mcar... Cha Mar 2018 #172

In other news, Trump reminds people to be respectful of others on twitter. NT Bleacher Creature Mar 2018 #27

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #28

And Sarah Huckabee-Sanders berates people for lying. yardwork Mar 2018 #44

Brawaaa Cha Mar 2018 #155

What the ... betsuni Mar 2018 #46

I know, right! Did he have Cha Mar 2018 #173

MEANIE!!!!!!!!!! QC Mar 2018 #47

I don't think he should be telling Democrats anything... Historic NY Mar 2018 #59

zOMG, the hypocrisy. R B Garr Mar 2018 #60

Divide and conquer... radliberal Mar 2018 #63

Beware of slippery slopes. This isn't about a Democrat attacking a Democrat in a primary Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #67

Thank you for your voice of reason. babylonsister Mar 2018 #74

Indeed they should be! potone Mar 2018 #86

This thread "became about" Bernie? murielm99 Mar 2018 #129

Ha, hysterical. babylonsister Mar 2018 #132

I disagree...it is about the DCCC doing it's job and trying to get a candidate who can win. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #84

Come on Demsrule....it is not about that. I don't want my leadership weighing in like that, JCanete Mar 2018 #94

The sad thing is that the DCCC may have helped Moser Gothmog Mar 2018 #187

yes, thank you. People on DU....what the fuck already? Can we quit being such reactionary JCanete Mar 2018 #91

Could it be that Bernie has found yet one more reasons to critisize the Left? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #92

Sure, but the 2016 primary will never get rehashed QC Mar 2018 #96

Not sticking up for what they did, but the DCCC isn't a formal part of the Democratic Party. George II Mar 2018 #118

Thanks for the clarification Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #120

Its almost universally agreed that what they did was wrong, and I doubt that they'll do anything... George II Mar 2018 #123

Smears are despicable. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #130

You're being too charitable Jim Lane Mar 2018 #175

You are wrong about the DCCC. It is a party organ. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #138

I don't agree, I'll ask my congressman when I see him in a week or two. However, it's not.... George II Mar 2018 #159

Be sure to ask him the RIGHT question. Jim Lane Mar 2018 #168

Did you approve of the Our Revolution slimy attack on another Democratic candidate Gothmog Mar 2018 #189

I already spoke to that in a reply above. n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #190

Wow, thank you for this account, and that is awesome R B Garr Mar 2018 #194

LOL, Bernie. ChiTownDenny Mar 2018 #70

Excuse me? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #128

Ok DAD njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #143

OMG! WTF! "Not Acceptable" LOLOLOLO(LOLO Cha Mar 2018 #144

In a related story, Sanders files copyright infringement suit Adrahil Mar 2018 #145

LOL! Cha Mar 2018 #150

Thats a lovely glass house youve got there. RandySF Mar 2018 #153

Same every election, Ds attacking Ds. Bernies right, its "not acceptable." Sunlei Mar 2018 #181

Too bad BS doesn't follow his own advice. Cha Mar 2018 #247

Not touching this... No way Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #184

LOL, yup. R B Garr Mar 2018 #195

We can't.. and that's Cha Mar 2018 #197

Bernie who? Eko Mar 2018 #203

Isn't that essentially one of the rules on this forum? crim son Mar 2018 #208

When he came to my town in June '16 he did nothing but. ucrdem Mar 2018 #211

Yet another Sanders thread for the trash heap. janx Mar 2018 #241