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59. You mentioned Washington

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:09 AM

Mar 2018

We have a caucus early on that selects delegates and our state party pays for it ourselves. The primary is non-binding because of the aforementioned scheduling issues.

I’ve been in primary and caucus states and both have their pluses and minuses.

The time it takes is hardly a factor if you have to physically go to a polling station to vote as that can take an hour or more as well.

I do agree it is a long, drawn out process that many don’t appreciate or have the patience for but to a certain extent isn’t that the problem?
Our options are to make people stop and think or mindlessly check a box (in far to many cases see congressional approval ratings vs. incumbency rate) and walk away.
There has to be a happy medium. A much longer conversation than I’m willing to type or many would be willing to read.

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Democrats Are Considering Dropping Superdelegates Altogether [View all] demmiblue Mar 2018 OP

Bad idea TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #1

How so? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #74

Very bad idea. murielm99 Mar 2018 #77

Many superdelegates are lobbyists Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #78

Many? murielm99 Mar 2018 #85

Really? Newscorps lobbyist has longtime ties to the democratic party? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #90

I guess you just can't trust candidates that have the support of lobbyists, can you? ehrnst Mar 2018 #192

Which Newscorp lobbyist is a super delegate? George II Mar 2018 #243

I think I've already asked this of you elsewhere, who is the "Newscorp lobbyist" who.... George II Mar 2018 #345

Do not hold your breath waiting for an answer Gothmog Mar 2018 #371

Why end super-delegates? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #146

Oh, the "status quo" ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

Or is the CBC "establishment?" mcar Mar 2018 #251

Precisely, I've NEVER seen a definition of "status quo" around here. What is it? George II Mar 2018 #344

How did super delegates impede growth and change? And here we go again with.... George II Mar 2018 #245

That's such bs. Repug cheating is why we lost the election. brush Mar 2018 #268

Crap. All this time I thought it was Jill Stein. shanny Mar 2018 #326

You are exactly right. Super delegates are not the problem. Caucuses are. LisaM Mar 2018 #176

Give it arrest...some folks employed as lobbyist are Democrats. So pure...so going to lose Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #98

If they arent officuals in the party in any other capacity, why are they superdelegates? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #103

Some of them have long standing ties, murielm99 Mar 2018 #108

Who do they represent? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #147

Elected officials don't represent the voters? LisaM Mar 2018 #177

Elected officials can lose their positions. They should have their one vote, and that Sophia4 Mar 2018 #190

Jimmy Carter should not have a say in what my party does? Al Gore? Walter Mondale? George II Mar 2018 #266

They should not be voting delegates at the nominating convention. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #298

Actually they should, because according to the rules they can. George II Mar 2018 #307

Rules are made to be changed. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #309

No one but some splinter groups are pushing for these changes Gothmog Mar 2018 #372

I'm a Democrat. I believe in change that leads to more inclusion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #381

I am very active in the party in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #385

I'm 74 now but have been very active in my local Democratic Club and Party. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #387

You are totally wrong in your analysis Gothmog Mar 2018 #391

I am opposed to having a sort of elite in the Democratic Party, and the super delegates Sophia4 Mar 2018 #393

Democrats delay change to convention superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #376

This will be a big test of the sincerity of the Democrats' belief in democracy. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #380

Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #383

This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Mar 2018 #389

We don't serve them. Again, you seem to be confused. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #291

You seem to be confused: Superdelegates only vote at the Convention - not on legislation. ehrnst Mar 2018 #198

I'm not confused... LisaM Mar 2018 #215

Got it: Superdelegates who are also reps don't represent their constituents at the convention. ehrnst Mar 2018 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid Mar 2018 #288

So BERNIE SANDERS a super delegate, but supers are bad why now? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #222

Because REASONS! ehrnst Mar 2018 #226

African American women ARE the base of the Party. R B Garr Mar 2018 #185

What do African-American women have to do with abolishing super delegates? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #189

You dont remember your post that attacked an African R B Garr Mar 2018 #194

What post? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #195

That is exactly the point. You tried to pass off Revolution R B Garr Mar 2018 #196

What in the world are you talking about? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #202

You do know that Bernie was a Superdelegate last year, don't you? ehrnst Mar 2018 #207

You don't even know who your post #150 was addressing?? You smear her but don't R B Garr Mar 2018 #209

No. I didn't know and didn't care who the super delegate was. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #232

So you admit you did not know, but then smear R B Garr Mar 2018 #238

I do not object to any specific super delegate. They are all fine people I am sure. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #311

You are implying corruption where there is none R B Garr Mar 2018 #316

No delegate to the national convention is ever selected at the grass roots level Gothmog Mar 2018 #323

Thanks, Gothmog, your posts about the real processes R B Garr Mar 2018 #335

I live and worked in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #342

Have you ever attended a state convention or participated in delegate selection processs? Gothmog Mar 2018 #322

With some variations, that process is basically they way it works in other states AND.... George II Mar 2018 #339

You are correct Gothmog Mar 2018 #341

Please attend a state convention and watch the process in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #325

To take this one step further, no presidential candidate is ever "elected" at the state level..... George II Mar 2018 #343

Superdelegates "bring corruption"? How? George II Mar 2018 #340

Posters active in this thread are writing from Russia, one way or another, and we have to say Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #224

Yup, and the very same exact JPR tactics and wording as before. R B Garr Mar 2018 #240

Bernie Sanders was a Superdelegate. Why do you think he would do such a thing? ehrnst Mar 2018 #201

Bernie Sanders is a super delegate. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #303

I stand by the statements in my post. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #308

This is just not even remotely true. To say the Democrats R B Garr Mar 2018 #314

So by your very own words. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #320

"All Democratic Senators are given that rank, and the Democratic National Committee gave Sanders shanny Mar 2018 #327

He was then... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #328

That was the system then. Wasn't it? shanny Mar 2018 #331

I think the electoral college needs to be changed. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #337

I'd like to see an answer to these good questions mcar Mar 2018 #333

You mean like a caucus member has a more powerful vote than an average voter? ehrnst Mar 2018 #191

Some Superdelegates are Senators - Like Bernie Sanders ehrnst Mar 2018 #199

ALL non-elected-official super delegates are DNC members and virtually all are Democrats. George II Mar 2018 #241

"They include lobbyists from... Rupert Murdoch's news corp." Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #79

And how many of them are there? murielm99 Mar 2018 #87

Yes. They were chosen. That is what the article says. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #89

Which Superdelegates are "lobbyists for FoxNews?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #203

The Silence is significant Gothmog Mar 2018 #348

They are registered Democrats and worked in the party for years...they work at Fox... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #99

They are registered lobbyists for newscorps Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #101

OMG Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105

ROFL murielm99 Mar 2018 #109

Sanders will never do that but his followers can be educated, maybe. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #135

The Democratic Party is ending superdelegates Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #137

That has not happened yet. murielm99 Mar 2018 #139

It is a decision they are leaning towards and making clear is more likely than not. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #141

What a shame, if that happens. murielm99 Mar 2018 #143

Why criticize the party? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #144

WTF are you talking about? murielm99 Mar 2018 #151

When did they say that they are ending superdelegates? ehrnst Mar 2018 #220

The GOP doesn't have supers but they have winner take all primaries which are less Democratic in Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #365

I enthusiastically second this post. Look to where the super delegate scolding is coming from. NBachers Mar 2018 #140

I for one raised thousands for Hillary and canvassed for her regularly Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2018 #211

I am so sick of them...really. I would never vote for any Our Revolution candidate Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #229

I agree. murielm99 Mar 2018 #353

And the coup causes some to think that if only we ran a progressive...well first of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #355

She was not elected by Democratic voters. She should not be a delegate. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #150

Your whole degrading description of her isn't even remotely accurate. R B Garr Mar 2018 #174

You seem to be confused about how delegates get to be delegates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #221

She is quite remarkable and has run for office and donates and as every right to be a delegate. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #234

I oppose any and all super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #235

Including Bernie Sanders? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #301

silence. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #305

Can I answer for/in place of her? KPN Mar 2018 #352

Bernie Sanders is a super delegate. R B Garr Mar 2018 #317

WAS. Is no longer. George II Mar 2018 #347

Good point. He is not a Democrat after all. nt R B Garr Mar 2018 #363

And that means what...I like super delegates. It means we never get a 'Trump' and no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #360

Who chooses the super delegates? First, regardless of what you say.... George II Mar 2018 #279

All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in elections. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #310

This is not how the process works in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #349

No super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #350

The real world is a nice place Gothmog Mar 2018 #351

All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in accordance.... George II Mar 2018 #364

Your posts show that you have no idea as to how the process works in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #329

Have you ever been a super delegate? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #330

How is that relevant? LOL Gothmog Mar 2018 #332

And she's on the board of GREEN AMERICA!!! She must be a real sleaze... ehrnst Mar 2018 #216

Oh...well that is it ...green causes too...why why she must go of course. (Sarcasm) Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #225

Status quo!!11 Establishment!! 11 Oligarch!!11 mcar Mar 2018 #253

So, why do you think Bernie Sanders agreed to be a Superdelegate? ehrnst Mar 2018 #210

Actually, no she doesn't "work at Fox," that seems to be wild speculation by some here. ehrnst Mar 2018 #230

I guess the person who sweeps the floor or cleans the bathrooms at Fox.... George II Mar 2018 #366

Oh look - here's that NewsCorp "FoxNews" Lobbyist.... She's evil, this one... ehrnst Mar 2018 #206

That's it, I am fucking DONE with the RUSSIAN ASSETS posting on DU. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #227

Shame on them! mcar Mar 2018 #254

Guardian is now reporting Reddit full of them Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #256

Reedit. Ugh. mcar Mar 2018 #257

And there's this "evil lobbyist" as well... lapucelle Mar 2018 #299

Funny how an employee of an organization becomes a "lobbyist" for that organization. George II Mar 2018 #318

What delegate was a lobbyist for News Corp? George II Mar 2018 #313

Most superdelegates are elected officials and party leaders Gothmog Mar 2018 #116

Superdelegates are not needed. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #153

You are totally and utterly wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #155

We shall have to agree to disagree. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #159

But we do need African American voters Gothmog Mar 2018 #165

We need African-American voters. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #181

So lets alienated these voters by adopting this rather dumb plan Gothmog Mar 2018 #197

How about more people that worked in the trenches being allowed to be delegates MichMan Mar 2018 #265

Few people in the trenches are pushing for this change Gothmog Mar 2018 #278

Actually... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #312

Do you support getting rid of caucuses and open primaries? LisaM Mar 2018 #178

Caucuses yes. Open primaries yes. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #179

I don't understand your response, sorry. LisaM Mar 2018 #183

I support getting rid of caucuses that serve as primaries and super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #193

I'll tell you why I support super delegates. LisaM Mar 2018 #205

As one who has worked for years in the trenches, I love your post Gothmog Mar 2018 #208

Thanks. I feel very passionately about it. LisaM Mar 2018 #214

In 2008, Texas had the Texas two step which was a combination of primary and caucus Gothmog Mar 2018 #239

Washington had primaries in 2008 and 2016 that didn't count, but they had to hold them by law. LisaM Mar 2018 #248

I saw that on the news Gothmog Mar 2018 #262

They're attached to them for historical reasons, but they've changed. LisaM Mar 2018 #271

Texas was attached to the Texas two step but the DNC killed it Gothmog Mar 2018 #275

I've been to state conventions and they ARE fun. LisaM Mar 2018 #280

I have been to several state conventions Gothmog Mar 2018 #284

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #302

Caucuses and superdelegates should both be eliminated Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #160

I agree with you on caucuses but I support the CBC Gothmog Mar 2018 #168

undemocratic methods should not be included in our primaries. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #169

So letting elected party officials be delegates to the national convention is offensive Gothmog Mar 2018 #172

They were not elected as superdelegates to give a vote for their candidate Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #173

You do realize that under party rules, I could change my vote at any time Gothmog Mar 2018 #175

Well there would be Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #180

By what process would that pledged delegate be removed? ehrnst Mar 2018 #187

Read the party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #200

Well, I guess that we shouldn't believe everything we think. ehrnst Mar 2018 #217

I ran and was elected as a delegate to the 2016 convention and so I paid attention to the rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #231

Why do you think that the Congressional Black Caucus would want "undemocratic methods?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #186

Well aren't they all super delegates themselves ? MichMan Mar 2018 #267

So was Bernie. ehrnst Mar 2018 #270

Well if it isn't about giving up their status , it might be this..... MichMan Mar 2018 #272

So you don't know, but you are willing to assume certain motives ehrnst Mar 2018 #274

Are you a member of the CBC? MichMan Mar 2018 #276

You were asked why you thought the Caucus supported keeping Superdelegates ehrnst Mar 2018 #285

obama would never have won the nomination w/o caucuses questionseverything Mar 2018 #378

It was Obama and the DNC that eliminated the Texas Two Step in 2016 Gothmog Mar 2018 #392

Talking about how the Black Congressional Caucus doesn't "understand" the system. ehrnst Mar 2018 #212

Because any outside agency could literally take over the Party. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #223

Agreed rock Mar 2018 #110

The we should eliminate caucuses which are very undemocratic Gothmog Mar 2018 #118

Yes please lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #122

Agreed Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #149

A very bad idea mcar Mar 2018 #250

Good Idea HopeAgain Mar 2018 #2

Yes, glad to see they're following Bernie's lead on this. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #283

Good idea when it was instituted. Good idea to drop totally now. marble falls Mar 2018 #3

Super delegates are really a non factor NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #4

If a non factor, then why keep them? HopeAgain Mar 2018 #6

Exactly! chwaliszewski Mar 2018 #17

One reason is so we don't get a trump. The repugs wish that they had had super delegates. brush Mar 2018 #61

That's baloney -- We are not Republicans HopeAgain Mar 2018 #66

They support him because he's what the party came up with brush Mar 2018 #70

And how did that work for us??? HopeAgain Mar 2018 #72

We got the candidate who got the most votes in the primary and the general. brush Mar 2018 #73

Sure if you want to get way off the subject. nt HopeAgain Mar 2018 #75

The subject was super delegates, right? Hillary got her early lead in them because Sanders... brush Mar 2018 #81

And were off with Bernie Sanders and race (again) HopeAgain Mar 2018 #88

Did you not get the part about making sure POCs are included in a reduced amont of... brush Mar 2018 #92

Frankly, if we get a Trump-like HopeAgain Mar 2018 #95

I don't think that will happen. The super delegate structure was designed to protect against that. brush Mar 2018 #100

I just think there has to be a better way HopeAgain Mar 2018 #106

Your suggestion is to abolish it? Super delegates are not there to protect POC voters, they're... brush Mar 2018 #138

Exactly, protection against a disastrous Trump event. Hortensis Mar 2018 #71

Knew this argument would be made. KPN Mar 2018 #91

What do you think almost happened in 2016? A non-Dem who but for not campaigning... brush Mar 2018 #94

That candidate did campaign in Texas even though he did poorly Gothmog Mar 2018 #242

Texas? brush Mar 2018 #255

Yep Gothmog Mar 2018 #258

Because key demographics groups like the CBC want to retain super delegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #120

Well said. harun Mar 2018 #164

Bingo!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #286

In 2008, top political allies of Obama made the point that the superdelegates would respect and not karynnj Mar 2018 #36

Yes, the problem was 2016. Very interestingly, in 2008 Hortensis Mar 2018 #76

Except the majority vote makes no sense in the primaries karynnj Mar 2018 #111

All teams know they can potentially lose. Obama's Hortensis Mar 2018 #119

Of course karynnj Mar 2018 #128

Clinton also talked about what might be called the electoral college map. StevieM Mar 2018 #304

It is true there were not many elections after 1972 when the rules changed karynnj Mar 2018 #346

There were substantial efforts made to flip even pledged delegates by the Sanders people Gothmog Mar 2018 #244

Pretty stupid derisive effort karynnj Mar 2018 #277

I mean members of the Sanders delegation to the national convention Gothmog Mar 2018 #282

I wonder what difference it made when after a couple of primaries LiberalArkie Mar 2018 #53

they announced that Clinton had won in 2008 as well NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #57

That alone wasn't why it was extremely unlikely for Hortensis Mar 2018 #86

I think you may not be remembering things as they happened. "All the superdelegates?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #233

I guess I missed that announcement. George II Mar 2018 #247

Those claims are false Gothmog Mar 2018 #252

Big difference in media coverage of SD's in 2008 and 2016 Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #67

As I said above NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #82

Created a narrative or did not 100 percent buy the Clinton narrative? karynnj Mar 2018 #121

Virtually all the media reports I saw separated them out. George II Mar 2018 #249

Not in 2016 Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #295

"a narrative of inevitability and an insurmountable lead" ehrnst Mar 2018 #300

During the general, absolutely, but the MSM wanted HRC to be the nominee Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #334

I think you are ignoring the long history of biased media coverage against HRC. ehrnst Mar 2018 #354

I have no blanket trust in any particular media source Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #367

So Reuters, AP, Propublica, WaPo. CBC, BBC and the Guardian ehrnst Mar 2018 #368

I would say WaPo is certainly part of the MSM narrative crafting machine Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #369

WOW - A change? Smitty63nnn Mar 2018 #5

except that it's not a stacked deck, superdelegates have never overturned the voters CreekDog Mar 2018 #20

But they could conceivably influence turnout or who people vote for. femmedem Mar 2018 #28

it could conceivably do that, but it hasn't done it yet CreekDog Mar 2018 #39

Femmedem, conversely 0 of Sanders colleagues endorsed him. Hortensis Mar 2018 #97

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. femmedem Mar 2018 #281

Seems to me you wanted to erase advantage of Hortensis Mar 2018 #379

Good argument for getting rid of them. KPN Mar 2018 #93

This is a proposal only and has not been adopted Gothmog Mar 2018 #246

What are you even talking about? N/T lapucelle Mar 2018 #377

How are they going to accomplish one of the goals -- which was to make sure that POC pnwmom Mar 2018 #7

All you'll get on that question is dead silence. Wwcd Mar 2018 #12

call superdelegates non-voting guests of the convention CreekDog Mar 2018 #21

I dunno, maybe just select POC as regular delegates? MichMan Mar 2018 #40

Winner! LongTomH Mar 2018 #56

Make the Democratic party safeinOhio Mar 2018 #8

I agree. We need to get rid of caucuses. No question, they're the least Democratic way to choose a ehrnst Mar 2018 #11

YES, get rid of the damn caucuses.. Cha Mar 2018 #30

i think we should shift to primaries where they're available, though many places they aren't CreekDog Mar 2018 #41

You mentioned Washington angrychair Mar 2018 #59

Caucuses are not democratic and are easy to game Gothmog Mar 2018 #123

Not necessarily angrychair Mar 2018 #60

It saves the state money - that's the purpose. ehrnst Mar 2018 #104

You link only re-enforces my points angrychair Mar 2018 #114

I think it's worse. ehrnst Mar 2018 #117

Clarification angrychair Mar 2018 #131

I'm not arguing against a voter holiday... why do you think I am? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #133

I dont think that you are necessarily angrychair Mar 2018 #148

A federal election holiday only applies to federal employees. tammywammy Mar 2018 #315

A federal holiday is a federal holiday angrychair Mar 2018 #319

Exactly which is why making voting a holiday doesnt solve anything. tammywammy Mar 2018 #321

Were obviously talking to cross purposes angrychair Mar 2018 #338

I agree with that. Primaries with a nice, long voting period and easy drop-off ballots would PatrickforO Mar 2018 #52

Now THERE'S a concept!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #289

I guess they've decided to ignore the Black Congressional Caucus. ehrnst Mar 2018 #9

Sanders collides with black lawmakers Gothmog Mar 2018 #124

Not going to see many Black Caucus Members from Vermont. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

That may explain a great deal as to why one group wants to get rid of superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #130

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #134

I think that it does. nt sheshe2 Mar 2018 #396

I'm glad the CBC also addressed the abuse of the open primary system. lapucelle Mar 2018 #324

The snowflakes are winning. joshcryer Mar 2018 #158

This move has the lingering stench of Tad Devine. Wwcd Mar 2018 #10

... ehrnst Mar 2018 #13

"erosion of democracy's protections"? progressoid Mar 2018 #26

Yes, it does indeed. leftofcool Mar 2018 #32

The indies brought Devine's corrupt way of business into 2015/16. Wwcd Mar 2018 #38

I'd fight to get rid of caucus' first leftynyc Mar 2018 #14

I don't think you'll be able to do that in every case though CreekDog Mar 2018 #23

Understood leftynyc Mar 2018 #65

I was OK with the Unity Proposal Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #15

I have to break with the crowd. I think it's a good idea. Vinca Mar 2018 #16

I'm in solid agreement with you. dchill Mar 2018 #19

So am I True Blue American Mar 2018 #24

That is a bit of a loaded statement.. Wwcd Mar 2018 #33

I say reduce the number but keep some protection against a trump-like candidate. The repugs... brush Mar 2018 #62

You mean like in caucuses? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

Not just caucuses, but primaries, too. Vinca Mar 2018 #260

Anyone who voted for Hillary in Indiana got their vote negated in the General. ehrnst Mar 2018 #263

That's not the point and Bernie isn't the point. Any candidate should face an unweighted delegate Vinca Mar 2018 #269

Let them go to the convention but don't let them vote CreekDog Mar 2018 #18

although i'm open to the idea of not having Superdelegates vote... CreekDog Mar 2018 #22

Congressional Black Caucus balks at two political reforms being pitched by Bernie Sanders Gothmog Mar 2018 #127

Good. CentralMass Mar 2018 #25

So they want to get rid of SDs, that have never mattered when it comes to the nom, but all american girl Mar 2018 #27

+++ sheshe2 Mar 2018 #397

GOOD shanny Mar 2018 #29

Superdelagates The Wizard Mar 2018 #31

Caucauses are the problem. Not SD's. Wwcd Mar 2018 #37

superdelegates is a totally undemocratic idea, like the electoral college. tomp Mar 2018 #34

The best rule change we could make? yallerdawg Mar 2018 #35

Go bernie garybeck Mar 2018 #42

Now THAT's for damn sure! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #45

I am biting my tongue here. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #398

We have to be "good" and follow the TOS guidelines, she. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #402

I remember it well, yallerdawg. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #403

Without a doubt, but as the old saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #287

That's a great one.. they Cha Mar 2018 #43

That's for sure, Cha! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #47

And, he was Cha Mar 2018 #48

Yes!! murielm99 Mar 2018 #80

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #126

How about this headline instead? "SOME Democrats are considering". still_one Mar 2018 #44

Tired of this argument HopeAgain Mar 2018 #58

Just a simple observation. During the primaries trump got about 25% of the republican vote with still_one Mar 2018 #102

Superdelegates are needed until the party tightens up its qualifications on who's allowed to run... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #46

I'm With You Me. Mar 2018 #84

ICAM! lunamagica Mar 2018 #163

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #356

I am with you 100%, Jackie. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #399

Good... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #49

At our local precinct caucus we passed proposal to do away with SD--again this year randr Mar 2018 #50

What are SDs? I went to the caucus in Colorado. Not many people there just PatrickforO Mar 2018 #54

Oh, duh. Super Delegates. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #55

Get rid of them left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #51

This is a good move Devil Child Mar 2018 #63

Black Caucus plans to defend Democrats' use of superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #132

Super Delegates are not space aliens. We elected them. IADEMO2004 Mar 2018 #64

Yes they are "special" HopeAgain Mar 2018 #68

The super delegates are the convention eye candy dembotoz Mar 2018 #69

Aside From The Sanders Campaign Me. Mar 2018 #83

Nope. Tad Devine knew exactly how to break the Dem Party Wwcd Mar 2018 #113

I May Be Wrong About This Me. Mar 2018 #152

He knew how to undo it also. Wwcd Mar 2018 #154

I Too Am Wondering Me. Mar 2018 #157

Google Was My Friend Me. Mar 2018 #156

No Gothmog Mar 2018 #129

very bad idea, but if they do it...need to include winner take all primaries and no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #96

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2018 #112

Thank You! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #359

There are no winner take all primaries under Democratic Party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #236

Well we have to change those rule because consider what would happen if no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #357

In the real world, this change is not needed Gothmog Mar 2018 #361

I agree...but if you lose the supers...there is little choice because anyone close election could Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #362

This thread is based on a discussion of a proposed rule Gothmog Mar 2018 #370

I think it's a good idea, so that means it probably won't happen. Establishment Dems run the show. YOHABLO Mar 2018 #107

Congressional Black Caucus: Keep superdelegate system in place Gothmog Mar 2018 #115

Wait a minute. That was summer 2016 when Sanders KPN Mar 2018 #162

Yes they do Gothmog Mar 2018 #166

Okay. But why? What's their rationale? KPN Mar 2018 #170

I ran and was elected as a delegate to the 2016 convention Gothmog Mar 2018 #171

Interesting and cool! Actually, I would like to hear what their rationale is. KPN Mar 2018 #184

There is no lack of faith in our membership as to the party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #237

I didn't make that claim. What I said is KPN Mar 2018 #294

You are wrong about the reasons for super delegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #373

Not true. As I have always understood it, KPN Mar 2018 #386

No, you are still wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #394

And I said already that if that's the concern KPN Mar 2018 #395

The 2016 spectacle of Hillary losing the GE while winning the popular vote Zambero Mar 2018 #136

Superdelegates undercut the argument of one person - one vote. A superdelegate votes in the primary 24601 Mar 2018 #161

Let's hope they do drop super-delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #145

Why do you want to run off African American voters? Gothmog Mar 2018 #167

Why do you conflate and assume support of the Unity Reofrm Council's superdelagate proposal Devil Child Mar 2018 #219

This thread is not about the Unity Commission proposal but a different proposal Gothmog Mar 2018 #228

Why are superdelegates required in order to have AA delegates? MichMan Mar 2018 #261

I have not seen any grassroots support for these proposals Gothmog Mar 2018 #290

some animals are more equal than others...eh? questionseverything Mar 2018 #382

Members of the CBC represent voters who are key parts of the democratic base Gothmog Mar 2018 #384

elected officials are public servants,nothing else questionseverything Mar 2018 #388

Elected officials are leaders of the party and should be respected Gothmog Mar 2018 #390

I find it offensive sheshe2 Mar 2018 #400

it is a quote from ANIMAL FARM..ya know the classic used to teach us that unchecked power always questionseverything Mar 2018 #404

We have no right to complain about the Electoral College if Orange Free State Mar 2018 #182

The proposed change is simply a proposed change Gothmog Mar 2018 #204

The NPVI compact Orange Free State Mar 2018 #264

A friend in the Texas legislature proposed it but this did not get out of committee Gothmog Mar 2018 #273

that's the most hopeful news about the party in a while. yurbud Mar 2018 #259

Please God budkin Mar 2018 #292

I wonder why BS didn't turn the DNC down lapucelle Mar 2018 #293

Maybe if the GOP had SDs it would have saved them from Trump... samnsara Mar 2018 #296

Given their way of doing things Orange Free State Mar 2018 #297

That would be a good move. KPN Mar 2018 #306

Good, its time Champion Jack Mar 2018 #336

Do you think that two-thirds of the DNC will approve this plan over the objections of the CBC? Gothmog Mar 2018 #374

Worst! Idea! Ever! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #358

As I have been predicting, this rule change will not be adopted anytime soon Gothmog Mar 2018 #375

Excellent. Caucuses and superdelegates need to go. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #401