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155. You are totally and utterly wrong

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 01:23 PM

Mar 2018

The CBC represents an important demographic in the party and I agree with the CBC on this. Do you know any members of the CBC? I do. They are not happy about this proposed change.

African American voters and African American women voters are key elements in the base and are far more important compared to the people who want to get rid of super delegates.

If you are concerned about democracy, lets get rid of caucuses. I know that one candidate did well in caucuses and so does not want these institutions eliminated. Caucuses need to go. I participated in the Texas two step in 2008 and there are ways to game the system that are so very very undemocratic.

BTW, I was a delegate to the National Convention in Philadelphia. I got to talk to Beto who was one of our super delegates at that convention. I disagree strongly with your positions.

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Democrats Are Considering Dropping Superdelegates Altogether [View all] demmiblue Mar 2018 OP

Bad idea TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #1

How so? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #74

Very bad idea. murielm99 Mar 2018 #77

Many superdelegates are lobbyists Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #78

Many? murielm99 Mar 2018 #85

Really? Newscorps lobbyist has longtime ties to the democratic party? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #90

I guess you just can't trust candidates that have the support of lobbyists, can you? ehrnst Mar 2018 #192

Which Newscorp lobbyist is a super delegate? George II Mar 2018 #243

I think I've already asked this of you elsewhere, who is the "Newscorp lobbyist" who.... George II Mar 2018 #345

Do not hold your breath waiting for an answer Gothmog Mar 2018 #371

Why end super-delegates? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #146

Oh, the "status quo" ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

Or is the CBC "establishment?" mcar Mar 2018 #251

Precisely, I've NEVER seen a definition of "status quo" around here. What is it? George II Mar 2018 #344

How did super delegates impede growth and change? And here we go again with.... George II Mar 2018 #245

That's such bs. Repug cheating is why we lost the election. brush Mar 2018 #268

Crap. All this time I thought it was Jill Stein. shanny Mar 2018 #326

You are exactly right. Super delegates are not the problem. Caucuses are. LisaM Mar 2018 #176

Give it arrest...some folks employed as lobbyist are Democrats. So pure...so going to lose Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #98

If they arent officuals in the party in any other capacity, why are they superdelegates? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #103

Some of them have long standing ties, murielm99 Mar 2018 #108

Who do they represent? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #147

Elected officials don't represent the voters? LisaM Mar 2018 #177

Elected officials can lose their positions. They should have their one vote, and that Sophia4 Mar 2018 #190

Jimmy Carter should not have a say in what my party does? Al Gore? Walter Mondale? George II Mar 2018 #266

They should not be voting delegates at the nominating convention. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #298

Actually they should, because according to the rules they can. George II Mar 2018 #307

Rules are made to be changed. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #309

No one but some splinter groups are pushing for these changes Gothmog Mar 2018 #372

I'm a Democrat. I believe in change that leads to more inclusion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #381

I am very active in the party in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #385

I'm 74 now but have been very active in my local Democratic Club and Party. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #387

You are totally wrong in your analysis Gothmog Mar 2018 #391

I am opposed to having a sort of elite in the Democratic Party, and the super delegates Sophia4 Mar 2018 #393

Democrats delay change to convention superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #376

This will be a big test of the sincerity of the Democrats' belief in democracy. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #380

Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #383

This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Mar 2018 #389

We don't serve them. Again, you seem to be confused. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #291

You seem to be confused: Superdelegates only vote at the Convention - not on legislation. ehrnst Mar 2018 #198

I'm not confused... LisaM Mar 2018 #215

Got it: Superdelegates who are also reps don't represent their constituents at the convention. ehrnst Mar 2018 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid Mar 2018 #288

So BERNIE SANDERS a super delegate, but supers are bad why now? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #222

Because REASONS! ehrnst Mar 2018 #226

African American women ARE the base of the Party. R B Garr Mar 2018 #185

What do African-American women have to do with abolishing super delegates? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #189

You dont remember your post that attacked an African R B Garr Mar 2018 #194

What post? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #195

That is exactly the point. You tried to pass off Revolution R B Garr Mar 2018 #196

What in the world are you talking about? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #202

You do know that Bernie was a Superdelegate last year, don't you? ehrnst Mar 2018 #207

You don't even know who your post #150 was addressing?? You smear her but don't R B Garr Mar 2018 #209

No. I didn't know and didn't care who the super delegate was. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #232

So you admit you did not know, but then smear R B Garr Mar 2018 #238

I do not object to any specific super delegate. They are all fine people I am sure. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #311

You are implying corruption where there is none R B Garr Mar 2018 #316

No delegate to the national convention is ever selected at the grass roots level Gothmog Mar 2018 #323

Thanks, Gothmog, your posts about the real processes R B Garr Mar 2018 #335

I live and worked in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #342

Have you ever attended a state convention or participated in delegate selection processs? Gothmog Mar 2018 #322

With some variations, that process is basically they way it works in other states AND.... George II Mar 2018 #339

You are correct Gothmog Mar 2018 #341

Please attend a state convention and watch the process in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #325

To take this one step further, no presidential candidate is ever "elected" at the state level..... George II Mar 2018 #343

Superdelegates "bring corruption"? How? George II Mar 2018 #340

Posters active in this thread are writing from Russia, one way or another, and we have to say Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #224

Yup, and the very same exact JPR tactics and wording as before. R B Garr Mar 2018 #240

Bernie Sanders was a Superdelegate. Why do you think he would do such a thing? ehrnst Mar 2018 #201

Bernie Sanders is a super delegate. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #303

I stand by the statements in my post. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #308

This is just not even remotely true. To say the Democrats R B Garr Mar 2018 #314

So by your very own words. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #320

"All Democratic Senators are given that rank, and the Democratic National Committee gave Sanders shanny Mar 2018 #327

He was then... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #328

That was the system then. Wasn't it? shanny Mar 2018 #331

I think the electoral college needs to be changed. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #337

I'd like to see an answer to these good questions mcar Mar 2018 #333

You mean like a caucus member has a more powerful vote than an average voter? ehrnst Mar 2018 #191

Some Superdelegates are Senators - Like Bernie Sanders ehrnst Mar 2018 #199

ALL non-elected-official super delegates are DNC members and virtually all are Democrats. George II Mar 2018 #241

"They include lobbyists from... Rupert Murdoch's news corp." Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #79

And how many of them are there? murielm99 Mar 2018 #87

Yes. They were chosen. That is what the article says. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #89

Which Superdelegates are "lobbyists for FoxNews?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #203

The Silence is significant Gothmog Mar 2018 #348

They are registered Democrats and worked in the party for years...they work at Fox... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #99

They are registered lobbyists for newscorps Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #101

OMG Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105

ROFL murielm99 Mar 2018 #109

Sanders will never do that but his followers can be educated, maybe. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #135

The Democratic Party is ending superdelegates Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #137

That has not happened yet. murielm99 Mar 2018 #139

It is a decision they are leaning towards and making clear is more likely than not. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #141

What a shame, if that happens. murielm99 Mar 2018 #143

Why criticize the party? Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #144

WTF are you talking about? murielm99 Mar 2018 #151

When did they say that they are ending superdelegates? ehrnst Mar 2018 #220

The GOP doesn't have supers but they have winner take all primaries which are less Democratic in Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #365

I enthusiastically second this post. Look to where the super delegate scolding is coming from. NBachers Mar 2018 #140

I for one raised thousands for Hillary and canvassed for her regularly Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2018 #211

I am so sick of them...really. I would never vote for any Our Revolution candidate Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #229

I agree. murielm99 Mar 2018 #353

And the coup causes some to think that if only we ran a progressive...well first of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #355

She was not elected by Democratic voters. She should not be a delegate. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #150

Your whole degrading description of her isn't even remotely accurate. R B Garr Mar 2018 #174

You seem to be confused about how delegates get to be delegates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #221

She is quite remarkable and has run for office and donates and as every right to be a delegate. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #234

I oppose any and all super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #235

Including Bernie Sanders? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #301

silence. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #305

Can I answer for/in place of her? KPN Mar 2018 #352

Bernie Sanders is a super delegate. R B Garr Mar 2018 #317

WAS. Is no longer. George II Mar 2018 #347

Good point. He is not a Democrat after all. nt R B Garr Mar 2018 #363

And that means what...I like super delegates. It means we never get a 'Trump' and no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #360

Who chooses the super delegates? First, regardless of what you say.... George II Mar 2018 #279

All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in elections. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #310

This is not how the process works in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #349

No super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #350

The real world is a nice place Gothmog Mar 2018 #351

All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in accordance.... George II Mar 2018 #364

Your posts show that you have no idea as to how the process works in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #329

Have you ever been a super delegate? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #330

How is that relevant? LOL Gothmog Mar 2018 #332

And she's on the board of GREEN AMERICA!!! She must be a real sleaze... ehrnst Mar 2018 #216

Oh...well that is it ...green causes too...why why she must go of course. (Sarcasm) Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #225

Status quo!!11 Establishment!! 11 Oligarch!!11 mcar Mar 2018 #253

So, why do you think Bernie Sanders agreed to be a Superdelegate? ehrnst Mar 2018 #210

Actually, no she doesn't "work at Fox," that seems to be wild speculation by some here. ehrnst Mar 2018 #230

I guess the person who sweeps the floor or cleans the bathrooms at Fox.... George II Mar 2018 #366

Oh look - here's that NewsCorp "FoxNews" Lobbyist.... She's evil, this one... ehrnst Mar 2018 #206

That's it, I am fucking DONE with the RUSSIAN ASSETS posting on DU. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #227

Shame on them! mcar Mar 2018 #254

Guardian is now reporting Reddit full of them Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #256

Reedit. Ugh. mcar Mar 2018 #257

And there's this "evil lobbyist" as well... lapucelle Mar 2018 #299

Funny how an employee of an organization becomes a "lobbyist" for that organization. George II Mar 2018 #318

What delegate was a lobbyist for News Corp? George II Mar 2018 #313

Most superdelegates are elected officials and party leaders Gothmog Mar 2018 #116

Superdelegates are not needed. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #153

You are totally and utterly wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #155

We shall have to agree to disagree. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #159

But we do need African American voters Gothmog Mar 2018 #165

We need African-American voters. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #181

So lets alienated these voters by adopting this rather dumb plan Gothmog Mar 2018 #197

How about more people that worked in the trenches being allowed to be delegates MichMan Mar 2018 #265

Few people in the trenches are pushing for this change Gothmog Mar 2018 #278

Actually... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #312

Do you support getting rid of caucuses and open primaries? LisaM Mar 2018 #178

Caucuses yes. Open primaries yes. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #179

I don't understand your response, sorry. LisaM Mar 2018 #183

I support getting rid of caucuses that serve as primaries and super delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #193

I'll tell you why I support super delegates. LisaM Mar 2018 #205

As one who has worked for years in the trenches, I love your post Gothmog Mar 2018 #208

Thanks. I feel very passionately about it. LisaM Mar 2018 #214

In 2008, Texas had the Texas two step which was a combination of primary and caucus Gothmog Mar 2018 #239

Washington had primaries in 2008 and 2016 that didn't count, but they had to hold them by law. LisaM Mar 2018 #248

I saw that on the news Gothmog Mar 2018 #262

They're attached to them for historical reasons, but they've changed. LisaM Mar 2018 #271

Texas was attached to the Texas two step but the DNC killed it Gothmog Mar 2018 #275

I've been to state conventions and they ARE fun. LisaM Mar 2018 #280

I have been to several state conventions Gothmog Mar 2018 #284

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #302

Caucuses and superdelegates should both be eliminated Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #160

I agree with you on caucuses but I support the CBC Gothmog Mar 2018 #168

undemocratic methods should not be included in our primaries. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #169

So letting elected party officials be delegates to the national convention is offensive Gothmog Mar 2018 #172

They were not elected as superdelegates to give a vote for their candidate Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #173

You do realize that under party rules, I could change my vote at any time Gothmog Mar 2018 #175

Well there would be Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #180

By what process would that pledged delegate be removed? ehrnst Mar 2018 #187

Read the party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #200

Well, I guess that we shouldn't believe everything we think. ehrnst Mar 2018 #217

I ran and was elected as a delegate to the 2016 convention and so I paid attention to the rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #231

Why do you think that the Congressional Black Caucus would want "undemocratic methods?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #186

Well aren't they all super delegates themselves ? MichMan Mar 2018 #267

So was Bernie. ehrnst Mar 2018 #270

Well if it isn't about giving up their status , it might be this..... MichMan Mar 2018 #272

So you don't know, but you are willing to assume certain motives ehrnst Mar 2018 #274

Are you a member of the CBC? MichMan Mar 2018 #276

You were asked why you thought the Caucus supported keeping Superdelegates ehrnst Mar 2018 #285

obama would never have won the nomination w/o caucuses questionseverything Mar 2018 #378

It was Obama and the DNC that eliminated the Texas Two Step in 2016 Gothmog Mar 2018 #392

Talking about how the Black Congressional Caucus doesn't "understand" the system. ehrnst Mar 2018 #212

Because any outside agency could literally take over the Party. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #223

Agreed rock Mar 2018 #110

The we should eliminate caucuses which are very undemocratic Gothmog Mar 2018 #118

Yes please lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #122

Agreed Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #149

A very bad idea mcar Mar 2018 #250

Good Idea HopeAgain Mar 2018 #2

Yes, glad to see they're following Bernie's lead on this. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #283

Good idea when it was instituted. Good idea to drop totally now. marble falls Mar 2018 #3

Super delegates are really a non factor NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #4

If a non factor, then why keep them? HopeAgain Mar 2018 #6

Exactly! chwaliszewski Mar 2018 #17

One reason is so we don't get a trump. The repugs wish that they had had super delegates. brush Mar 2018 #61

That's baloney -- We are not Republicans HopeAgain Mar 2018 #66

They support him because he's what the party came up with brush Mar 2018 #70

And how did that work for us??? HopeAgain Mar 2018 #72

We got the candidate who got the most votes in the primary and the general. brush Mar 2018 #73

Sure if you want to get way off the subject. nt HopeAgain Mar 2018 #75

The subject was super delegates, right? Hillary got her early lead in them because Sanders... brush Mar 2018 #81

And were off with Bernie Sanders and race (again) HopeAgain Mar 2018 #88

Did you not get the part about making sure POCs are included in a reduced amont of... brush Mar 2018 #92

Frankly, if we get a Trump-like HopeAgain Mar 2018 #95

I don't think that will happen. The super delegate structure was designed to protect against that. brush Mar 2018 #100

I just think there has to be a better way HopeAgain Mar 2018 #106

Your suggestion is to abolish it? Super delegates are not there to protect POC voters, they're... brush Mar 2018 #138

Exactly, protection against a disastrous Trump event. Hortensis Mar 2018 #71

Knew this argument would be made. KPN Mar 2018 #91

What do you think almost happened in 2016? A non-Dem who but for not campaigning... brush Mar 2018 #94

That candidate did campaign in Texas even though he did poorly Gothmog Mar 2018 #242

Texas? brush Mar 2018 #255

Yep Gothmog Mar 2018 #258

Because key demographics groups like the CBC want to retain super delegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #120

Well said. harun Mar 2018 #164

Bingo!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #286

In 2008, top political allies of Obama made the point that the superdelegates would respect and not karynnj Mar 2018 #36

Yes, the problem was 2016. Very interestingly, in 2008 Hortensis Mar 2018 #76

Except the majority vote makes no sense in the primaries karynnj Mar 2018 #111

All teams know they can potentially lose. Obama's Hortensis Mar 2018 #119

Of course karynnj Mar 2018 #128

Clinton also talked about what might be called the electoral college map. StevieM Mar 2018 #304

It is true there were not many elections after 1972 when the rules changed karynnj Mar 2018 #346

There were substantial efforts made to flip even pledged delegates by the Sanders people Gothmog Mar 2018 #244

Pretty stupid derisive effort karynnj Mar 2018 #277

I mean members of the Sanders delegation to the national convention Gothmog Mar 2018 #282

I wonder what difference it made when after a couple of primaries LiberalArkie Mar 2018 #53

they announced that Clinton had won in 2008 as well NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #57

That alone wasn't why it was extremely unlikely for Hortensis Mar 2018 #86

I think you may not be remembering things as they happened. "All the superdelegates?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #233

I guess I missed that announcement. George II Mar 2018 #247

Those claims are false Gothmog Mar 2018 #252

Big difference in media coverage of SD's in 2008 and 2016 Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #67

As I said above NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #82

Created a narrative or did not 100 percent buy the Clinton narrative? karynnj Mar 2018 #121

Virtually all the media reports I saw separated them out. George II Mar 2018 #249

Not in 2016 Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #295

"a narrative of inevitability and an insurmountable lead" ehrnst Mar 2018 #300

During the general, absolutely, but the MSM wanted HRC to be the nominee Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #334

I think you are ignoring the long history of biased media coverage against HRC. ehrnst Mar 2018 #354

I have no blanket trust in any particular media source Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #367

So Reuters, AP, Propublica, WaPo. CBC, BBC and the Guardian ehrnst Mar 2018 #368

I would say WaPo is certainly part of the MSM narrative crafting machine Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #369

WOW - A change? Smitty63nnn Mar 2018 #5

except that it's not a stacked deck, superdelegates have never overturned the voters CreekDog Mar 2018 #20

But they could conceivably influence turnout or who people vote for. femmedem Mar 2018 #28

it could conceivably do that, but it hasn't done it yet CreekDog Mar 2018 #39

Femmedem, conversely 0 of Sanders colleagues endorsed him. Hortensis Mar 2018 #97

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. femmedem Mar 2018 #281

Seems to me you wanted to erase advantage of Hortensis Mar 2018 #379

Good argument for getting rid of them. KPN Mar 2018 #93

This is a proposal only and has not been adopted Gothmog Mar 2018 #246

What are you even talking about? N/T lapucelle Mar 2018 #377

How are they going to accomplish one of the goals -- which was to make sure that POC pnwmom Mar 2018 #7

All you'll get on that question is dead silence. Wwcd Mar 2018 #12

call superdelegates non-voting guests of the convention CreekDog Mar 2018 #21

I dunno, maybe just select POC as regular delegates? MichMan Mar 2018 #40

Winner! LongTomH Mar 2018 #56

Make the Democratic party safeinOhio Mar 2018 #8

I agree. We need to get rid of caucuses. No question, they're the least Democratic way to choose a ehrnst Mar 2018 #11

YES, get rid of the damn caucuses.. Cha Mar 2018 #30

i think we should shift to primaries where they're available, though many places they aren't CreekDog Mar 2018 #41

You mentioned Washington angrychair Mar 2018 #59

Caucuses are not democratic and are easy to game Gothmog Mar 2018 #123

Not necessarily angrychair Mar 2018 #60

It saves the state money - that's the purpose. ehrnst Mar 2018 #104

You link only re-enforces my points angrychair Mar 2018 #114

I think it's worse. ehrnst Mar 2018 #117

Clarification angrychair Mar 2018 #131

I'm not arguing against a voter holiday... why do you think I am? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #133

I dont think that you are necessarily angrychair Mar 2018 #148

A federal election holiday only applies to federal employees. tammywammy Mar 2018 #315

A federal holiday is a federal holiday angrychair Mar 2018 #319

Exactly which is why making voting a holiday doesnt solve anything. tammywammy Mar 2018 #321

Were obviously talking to cross purposes angrychair Mar 2018 #338

I agree with that. Primaries with a nice, long voting period and easy drop-off ballots would PatrickforO Mar 2018 #52

Now THERE'S a concept!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #289

I guess they've decided to ignore the Black Congressional Caucus. ehrnst Mar 2018 #9

Sanders collides with black lawmakers Gothmog Mar 2018 #124

Not going to see many Black Caucus Members from Vermont. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

That may explain a great deal as to why one group wants to get rid of superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #130

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #134

I think that it does. nt sheshe2 Mar 2018 #396

I'm glad the CBC also addressed the abuse of the open primary system. lapucelle Mar 2018 #324

The snowflakes are winning. joshcryer Mar 2018 #158

This move has the lingering stench of Tad Devine. Wwcd Mar 2018 #10

... ehrnst Mar 2018 #13

"erosion of democracy's protections"? progressoid Mar 2018 #26

Yes, it does indeed. leftofcool Mar 2018 #32

The indies brought Devine's corrupt way of business into 2015/16. Wwcd Mar 2018 #38

I'd fight to get rid of caucus' first leftynyc Mar 2018 #14

I don't think you'll be able to do that in every case though CreekDog Mar 2018 #23

Understood leftynyc Mar 2018 #65

I was OK with the Unity Proposal Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #15

I have to break with the crowd. I think it's a good idea. Vinca Mar 2018 #16

I'm in solid agreement with you. dchill Mar 2018 #19

So am I True Blue American Mar 2018 #24

That is a bit of a loaded statement.. Wwcd Mar 2018 #33

I say reduce the number but keep some protection against a trump-like candidate. The repugs... brush Mar 2018 #62

You mean like in caucuses? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

Not just caucuses, but primaries, too. Vinca Mar 2018 #260

Anyone who voted for Hillary in Indiana got their vote negated in the General. ehrnst Mar 2018 #263

That's not the point and Bernie isn't the point. Any candidate should face an unweighted delegate Vinca Mar 2018 #269

Let them go to the convention but don't let them vote CreekDog Mar 2018 #18

although i'm open to the idea of not having Superdelegates vote... CreekDog Mar 2018 #22

Congressional Black Caucus balks at two political reforms being pitched by Bernie Sanders Gothmog Mar 2018 #127

Good. CentralMass Mar 2018 #25

So they want to get rid of SDs, that have never mattered when it comes to the nom, but all american girl Mar 2018 #27

+++ sheshe2 Mar 2018 #397

GOOD shanny Mar 2018 #29

Superdelagates The Wizard Mar 2018 #31

Caucauses are the problem. Not SD's. Wwcd Mar 2018 #37

superdelegates is a totally undemocratic idea, like the electoral college. tomp Mar 2018 #34

The best rule change we could make? yallerdawg Mar 2018 #35

Go bernie garybeck Mar 2018 #42

Now THAT's for damn sure! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #45

I am biting my tongue here. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #398

We have to be "good" and follow the TOS guidelines, she. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #402

I remember it well, yallerdawg. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #403

Without a doubt, but as the old saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #287

That's a great one.. they Cha Mar 2018 #43

That's for sure, Cha! yallerdawg Mar 2018 #47

And, he was Cha Mar 2018 #48

Yes!! murielm99 Mar 2018 #80

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #126

How about this headline instead? "SOME Democrats are considering". still_one Mar 2018 #44

Tired of this argument HopeAgain Mar 2018 #58

Just a simple observation. During the primaries trump got about 25% of the republican vote with still_one Mar 2018 #102

Superdelegates are needed until the party tightens up its qualifications on who's allowed to run... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #46

I'm With You Me. Mar 2018 #84

ICAM! lunamagica Mar 2018 #163

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #356

I am with you 100%, Jackie. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #399

Good... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #49

At our local precinct caucus we passed proposal to do away with SD--again this year randr Mar 2018 #50

What are SDs? I went to the caucus in Colorado. Not many people there just PatrickforO Mar 2018 #54

Oh, duh. Super Delegates. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #55

Get rid of them left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #51

This is a good move Devil Child Mar 2018 #63

Black Caucus plans to defend Democrats' use of superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #132

Super Delegates are not space aliens. We elected them. IADEMO2004 Mar 2018 #64

Yes they are "special" HopeAgain Mar 2018 #68

The super delegates are the convention eye candy dembotoz Mar 2018 #69

Aside From The Sanders Campaign Me. Mar 2018 #83

Nope. Tad Devine knew exactly how to break the Dem Party Wwcd Mar 2018 #113

I May Be Wrong About This Me. Mar 2018 #152

He knew how to undo it also. Wwcd Mar 2018 #154

I Too Am Wondering Me. Mar 2018 #157

Google Was My Friend Me. Mar 2018 #156

No Gothmog Mar 2018 #129

very bad idea, but if they do it...need to include winner take all primaries and no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #96

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2018 #112

Thank You! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #359

There are no winner take all primaries under Democratic Party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #236

Well we have to change those rule because consider what would happen if no Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #357

In the real world, this change is not needed Gothmog Mar 2018 #361

I agree...but if you lose the supers...there is little choice because anyone close election could Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #362

This thread is based on a discussion of a proposed rule Gothmog Mar 2018 #370

I think it's a good idea, so that means it probably won't happen. Establishment Dems run the show. YOHABLO Mar 2018 #107

Congressional Black Caucus: Keep superdelegate system in place Gothmog Mar 2018 #115

Wait a minute. That was summer 2016 when Sanders KPN Mar 2018 #162

Yes they do Gothmog Mar 2018 #166

Okay. But why? What's their rationale? KPN Mar 2018 #170

I ran and was elected as a delegate to the 2016 convention Gothmog Mar 2018 #171

Interesting and cool! Actually, I would like to hear what their rationale is. KPN Mar 2018 #184

There is no lack of faith in our membership as to the party rules Gothmog Mar 2018 #237

I didn't make that claim. What I said is KPN Mar 2018 #294

You are wrong about the reasons for super delegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #373

Not true. As I have always understood it, KPN Mar 2018 #386

No, you are still wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #394

And I said already that if that's the concern KPN Mar 2018 #395

The 2016 spectacle of Hillary losing the GE while winning the popular vote Zambero Mar 2018 #136

Superdelegates undercut the argument of one person - one vote. A superdelegate votes in the primary 24601 Mar 2018 #161

Let's hope they do drop super-delegates. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #145

Why do you want to run off African American voters? Gothmog Mar 2018 #167

Why do you conflate and assume support of the Unity Reofrm Council's superdelagate proposal Devil Child Mar 2018 #219

This thread is not about the Unity Commission proposal but a different proposal Gothmog Mar 2018 #228

Why are superdelegates required in order to have AA delegates? MichMan Mar 2018 #261

I have not seen any grassroots support for these proposals Gothmog Mar 2018 #290

some animals are more equal than others...eh? questionseverything Mar 2018 #382

Members of the CBC represent voters who are key parts of the democratic base Gothmog Mar 2018 #384

elected officials are public servants,nothing else questionseverything Mar 2018 #388

Elected officials are leaders of the party and should be respected Gothmog Mar 2018 #390

I find it offensive sheshe2 Mar 2018 #400

it is a quote from ANIMAL FARM..ya know the classic used to teach us that unchecked power always questionseverything Mar 2018 #404

We have no right to complain about the Electoral College if Orange Free State Mar 2018 #182

The proposed change is simply a proposed change Gothmog Mar 2018 #204

The NPVI compact Orange Free State Mar 2018 #264

A friend in the Texas legislature proposed it but this did not get out of committee Gothmog Mar 2018 #273

that's the most hopeful news about the party in a while. yurbud Mar 2018 #259

Please God budkin Mar 2018 #292

I wonder why BS didn't turn the DNC down lapucelle Mar 2018 #293

Maybe if the GOP had SDs it would have saved them from Trump... samnsara Mar 2018 #296

Given their way of doing things Orange Free State Mar 2018 #297

That would be a good move. KPN Mar 2018 #306

Good, its time Champion Jack Mar 2018 #336

Do you think that two-thirds of the DNC will approve this plan over the objections of the CBC? Gothmog Mar 2018 #374

Worst! Idea! Ever! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #358

As I have been predicting, this rule change will not be adopted anytime soon Gothmog Mar 2018 #375

Excellent. Caucuses and superdelegates need to go. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #401