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Docreed2003

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97. Here is the thing I can not stand in this debate

Fri Mar 9, 2018, 04:32 PM

Mar 2018

Either take a stand everywhere or don’t! You can’t hide behind this “well it’s a States issue” crap when it isn’t convenient and then turn around and endorse other candidates in other states. It’s not “genuine” or “authentic”, it reeks of weakness and politics. And I say that as a support of Sanders in the primary....

All that said, I won’t ever support a run by Sanders in the future. I took up for him many times here during the vitriol of the primaries, during a very specifically nasty “throwing under the bus” episode. I regret that now based off of comments that Mark Thompson, Sirius/Xm host of “Make it Plain”, made many months after the election. I was honestly heartbroken to hear what he had to say regarding Bernie, and I trust Mark’s word on the matter, which was verified by his guest. That interview changed my perception of Bernie forever. But that’s another discussion for a much later time.

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Sanders won't endorse Feinstein [View all] DonViejo Mar 2018 OP

Anybody surprised, raise your hand now! Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #1

Considering that he and Our Revolution have been running at about a 35% success rate... George II Mar 2018 #6

Yeah but, think about the millions of millenials...they are still buying the bullshit, many of them Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #10

American millennials? George II Mar 2018 #13

What bullshit exactly are you referring to? Magoo48 Mar 2018 #74

You commie!!! disillusioned73 Mar 2018 #76

Oh snap! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #79

The STUPID BULLSHIT that we can afford to primary electable democrats or run Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #82

Why won't another Democrat win in the same seat? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #112

Far left have yet to prove their Progressive agenda is for a majority of voters BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #116

Amen. Incumbency is always an advantage so a little know Dem challenging... brush Mar 2018 #119

NOW is NOT the time to PURIFY the party. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #121

Oh, I know. Like there aren't any repug incumbents to challenge. brush Mar 2018 #137

Mr. Rosewater, Magoo48 Mar 2018 #161

It's pointless. I figured that out a long time ago. leftofcool Mar 2018 #133

Indeed Cary Mar 2018 #145

Radical? Thank you! Magoo48 Mar 2018 #162

The idea of attacking Democrats who allegedly don't toe the line Cary Mar 2018 #177

You know what Im doing? Magoo48 Mar 2018 #160

Feinstein voted with trump 31% of the time. This is California. scipan Mar 2018 #199

Right on!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #83

BINGO! Champion Jack Mar 2018 #152

No, this bullshit: ehrnst Mar 2018 #178

Those are all DEMOCRATIC PARTY ideals. Hortensis Mar 2018 #192

LOL workinclasszero Mar 2018 #72

Their success rate is that high? I thought it was WhiteTara Mar 2018 #146

Actually most of their success was in 2016. They were 56% successful. However, in 2017... George II Mar 2018 #149

where did you get those numbers scipan Mar 2018 #202

The link I provided is for their own list of 2016 wins and losses. At the bottom of that page.... George II Mar 2018 #203

You are correct. Thanks for answering. scipan Mar 2018 #209

Not me based on how she treated him during the primaries LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #81

How did she treat him during the primaries? Is it because she acted like, perish the thought.... George II Mar 2018 #98

And what is your definition of how a Democrat should act exactly? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #107

Let's make a deal. Answer my questions and I'll answer your questions. Okay? George II Mar 2018 #110

She ridiculed the idea of single payer for one, just to dig at his campaign LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #114

Having a different opinion on policy isn't ridiculing someone else who has a different opinion.... George II Mar 2018 #118

She voted with Trump 31% of the time, scipan Mar 2018 #204

I'd like to see what those votes were. For one thing, there haven't been too many Senate votes... George II Mar 2018 #205

found a good list of all senators scipan Mar 2018 #210

That table is way too subjectively constructed and we still don't know which, and how many, votes... George II Mar 2018 #211

In 2017 the Senate had 325 roll call votes. Of those 60% were procedural (motion for cloture... George II Mar 2018 #207

"Acts" like a Democrat? ehrnst Mar 2018 #129

Funny how Democrats in power and running for office are coming over to Bernie's way of thinking... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #170

Also good to see Bernie coming around to Hillary's way of thinking about ehrnst Mar 2018 #173

Hillary certainly had some good ideas. Bernie's smart to incorporate 'em into his progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #186

Hillary had a plan for universal health care coverage, financial reforms and privacy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #138

If only! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #167

Indeed, we had a candidate who was that good - and effective to boot. ehrnst Mar 2018 #172

Good grief, who gives a rat's ass what Sanders does? Cary Mar 2018 #2

Unfortuately DownriverDem Mar 2018 #9

+100 demigoddess Mar 2018 #65

I have gone back and forth with Sanders' supporters on exactly that Cary Mar 2018 #75

And as Our Revolution President Nina Turner said in an interview with The Nation Magazine..... George II Mar 2018 #111

That is because they are issues-based scipan Mar 2018 #206

Yea, like voting for a gorilla. leftofcool Mar 2018 #134

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #140

lol.. that's what Cha Mar 2018 #108

Great minds ... Cary Mar 2018 #142

I know at the time you posed that question you were post #2 BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #117

At the time I originally said that Sanders was going nowhere, I was correct. Cary Mar 2018 #141

Guess we'll see... Bernie might have something to say about that. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #169

Yes, Bernie says a lot of things. ehrnst Mar 2018 #174

I know. Right? Cary Mar 2018 #176

Very. But certainly many people think having their biases confirmed is worth far more than ehrnst Mar 2018 #179

Radicals will be radicals Cary Mar 2018 #181

I think that's what drives some to be radicals but not all. ehrnst Mar 2018 #187

Changing minds IS accomplishing things... certainly a good start. Rome wasn't built in a day... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #185

It's not even about changing minds - it's about continuing what has been accomplished ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

That too! I agree. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #189

We agree on goals, but may diverge on strategy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #190

I hear ya AND I think Bernie is more than capable of adapting... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #194

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #3

Full of himself Cary Mar 2018 #4

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #15

No Surprise DownriverDem Mar 2018 #5

No big deal. That's his prerogative. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2018 #7

Absolutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #85

As I & others have noted all along: He's not a Democrat. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #8

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #12

Yep DownriverDem Mar 2018 #14

I t hink that he is a positive force fighting for issues that matter to me. CentralMass Mar 2018 #69

How and what? Thanks. George II Mar 2018 #99

I think he is as well. whathehell Mar 2018 #171

Why does he need to? The state Dems chose not to endorse her. jalan48 Mar 2018 #11

Bernie is Bernie DownriverDem Mar 2018 #17

13 million wanted him in the primary. jalan48 Mar 2018 #21

2016 is so over. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #50

The issues aren't over. Again, 13 million voters liked what you call "far left". jalan48 Mar 2018 #52

How many of that number were in effect anyone but Hillary ? OnDoutside Mar 2018 #57

I hope not many because it would call into question the Democratic Party's method for choosing jalan48 Mar 2018 #64

Not necessarily, bearing in mind it was the Primaries, and 66m voted for her in the General. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #88

I seem to remember it was people's votes that chose our Presidential candidate. Demit Mar 2018 #102

Yes. Math indicated that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #126

What question? Democratic voters made their choice - a substantial mandate. ehrnst Mar 2018 #120

13 million could not and did not win the Dem nomination. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #62

It's not the winning, it's the support for the ideas he put forth. jalan48 Mar 2018 #67

Actually, the harsh truth is - it IS the winning. calimary Mar 2018 #80

And they dont get their precious unicorns Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #84

Actually, math matters. Louder does not equal more numerous. ehrnst Mar 2018 #122

Now THERE'S an idea!! Sorry, but you're makin' WAAYYY too much sense Jalan... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #168

Well, if we go with the endorsements from Our Revolution ehrnst Mar 2018 #175

Completely agree. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #182

I don't think Bernie will get the nomination but the issues he brings forth are winners for Democrats jalan48 Mar 2018 #184

Jalan, why is that? kstewart33 Mar 2018 #195

I think it's because of what she has been through. jalan48 Mar 2018 #196

Good points. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #200

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #124

So you're saying you're okay with #fakepresident? Cary Mar 2018 #144

To be fair angrychair Mar 2018 #77

The voters decide who stays and who goes. Her constituency elected her. ehrnst Mar 2018 #123

Challenge them? angrychair Mar 2018 #143

So there is no value to experience and skill gained from years of effective ehrnst Mar 2018 #159

Not the point though, is it? angrychair Mar 2018 #212

The point indeed was "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

Why the ageism?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #93

Not in California. George II Mar 2018 #101

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #42

Help me out here. What is far left? To me, without any specifics, it's just a label -- KPN Mar 2018 #55

Trotskyist ..... I mean Progressive ! OnDoutside Mar 2018 #58

Then why is the Democratic Party coming around to Bernie's way of thinking... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #92

The state Dems endorsed a Democrat. Don't try to make the case equivalent. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #23

So-you're saying he should have endorsed Leon? jalan48 Mar 2018 #25

In that case he should endorse whoever his primary horse is... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #28

Do all Senators endorse candidates in other State elections? jalan48 Mar 2018 #32

Are all Senators the de facto leader of the Democratic Party? Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #35

De facto leader of the Democrats? I don't think so, though he's popular with millions of them. jalan48 Mar 2018 #39

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #41

No surprise there! Bernie is in good company apparently. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #90

The state "Dems" (Democrats) chose not to endorse ANYONE. George II Mar 2018 #100

Nor any other Senate or Governor candidates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

He Didn't Even Endorse His Own Son Me. Mar 2018 #16

Well, duh. It's his son. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #19

IF It's "Of Course" He Should Say So Me. Mar 2018 #27

Will Sanders be happy when the Republicans destroy Social Security and Medicare......? radliberal Mar 2018 #18

Welcome to DU! Plucketeer Mar 2018 #48

In a word, yes. leftofcool Mar 2018 #135

Welcome to DU, radliberal! calimary Mar 2018 #216

OF COURSE HE WON'T ENDORSE HER. LisaM Mar 2018 #20

Neither did the California Democratic Party. David__77 Mar 2018 #22

California Democratic Party offered no endorsements in U.S. Senate or governor's races ehrnst Mar 2018 #44

No he isn't. He hasn't come out and said that he won't endorse De Leon, did he? George II Mar 2018 #151

So much outrage in this thread Devil Child Mar 2018 #24

I agree. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #60

I don't recall ever Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #26

Who's Sanders?! democratisphere Mar 2018 #29

He is wise to stay out of the California primary still_one Mar 2018 #30

I lost any respect for Sanders when he did it speak out strongly against Russia throwing the kimbutgar Mar 2018 #31

+1 pandr32 Mar 2018 #38

Do you that he was aware that the Russians were doing this ? CentralMass Mar 2018 #43

How could he not be aware? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #45

Not strongly as he should have in my opinion. It was really lukewarm. kimbutgar Mar 2018 #49

He has made many many statements abouytg the need to investigate Russian interference in the electio CentralMass Mar 2018 #51

He wasnt even a real Democrat. kimbutgar Mar 2018 #53

I'm 58 and have been a life long Democrats as were my parents before me. CentralMass Mar 2018 #54

I got four years on you 62 in a couple of weeks. [ ugh just saying that Im old) kimbutgar Mar 2018 #56

I think that he energized a lot of voters including a lot of new voters. CentralMass Mar 2018 #63

Why did he hire Tad Devine? Devine used to work with R B Garr Mar 2018 #73

You're making too much sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #94

Well regarding his support of Marie Newman, he is in good company. CentralMass Mar 2018 #33

Thanks for all your good posts here, CM. Mc Mike Mar 2018 #132

+1 CentralMass Mar 2018 #150

Screw Sanders. He doesn't care about anything except himself. LiberalFighter Mar 2018 #34

Riiiight!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #86

Of Course not. Lil Missy Mar 2018 #36

Considering his success rate with endorsements, this is very good news for Feinstein lunamagica Mar 2018 #37

Ouch ! But true. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #59

Well said! Maven Mar 2018 #71

This Californian does not care one wit about Sanders or who he endorsed. He's right, it's an issue mulsh Mar 2018 #40

+1 CentralMass Mar 2018 #46

Could be a blessing for her, statistically speaking. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #47

Because he is not a Democrat liberal N proud Mar 2018 #61

That's the problem i.e. he isn't a Democrat but is allowed to run under the Democratic Party banner. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #91

Sanders is not a Democrat....has no say....should shut up. Rene Mar 2018 #66

Sanders is as much a Democrat in the spirit of progressivism as anybody. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #87

Rofl Wwcd Mar 2018 #96

Yes, which splains why Bernie enthusiastically caucuses with, and is welcomed to do so by, Democrats InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #103

No. He's not a Democrat. He doesn't want to be a Democrat, and he does nothing but Squinch Mar 2018 #109

Yes, that's why he campaigns for Democrats... I see. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #115

Not nearly so many as he trashes. And most of those he campaigns for would do better without him. Squinch Mar 2018 #130

Have we got a ruling yet on whether,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2018 #68

Bernie caucuses with the Democrats... nuff said. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #89

Yeah. The "hands off Bernie" rule happened before he began trashing every Democrat Squinch Mar 2018 #106

amen samnsara Mar 2018 #128

Not without getting banned from Bernie Underground leftofcool Mar 2018 #136

Who cares? He's irrelevant to actual Democrats. Maven Mar 2018 #70

I certainly don't. calimary Mar 2018 #78

Would not have guessed that based on Bernie's popularity. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #95

You're going to quote that poll that says he's the most popular guy ever, aren't you? Squinch Mar 2018 #131

Didn't know you had to be THE MOST popular politician to be relevant. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #154

Pence was really popular in that poll too. Everyone loves him, too, doncha know? Squinch Mar 2018 #156

LOL, so now you're comparing Bernie to Pence... oookayyyy. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #166

Nooooo, I'm saying the same poll that said Bernie was the most popular politician also Squinch Mar 2018 #191

Okay, my bad, sorry for the confusion. No doubt though Bernie is popular for all the right reasons. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #193

Here is the thing I can not stand in this debate Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #97

Same thing here. DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #155

Can you tell us what he said? Squinch Mar 2018 #157

So Mark said Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #163

Yikes. Pride and the fall and all that... Squinch Mar 2018 #164

Yep Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #165

Why is he being so erratic about where to insert himself? bettyellen Mar 2018 #104

Feinstein will do just fine without the endorsment. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #105

Why is this news? mcar Mar 2018 #113

Im donating to DiFi samnsara Mar 2018 #127

Um, who cares? JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #139

ho hum left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #147

And, here you are.. kicking it again. Cha Mar 2018 #148

If I were her, Jamaal510 Mar 2018 #153

But he is encouraging folks maxrandb Mar 2018 #158

Something isn't kosher, I'll give you that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #180

I'll take that as a plus for Feinstein. She's a senator, Hortensis Mar 2018 #183

There's a reason why he wants Feinstein out. She turned her back to him & walked away as he Wwcd Mar 2018 #197

The problem is so many millennials are invested in him, we cant lose them. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #201

Neither has Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Warren, Kaine etc etc Arazi Mar 2018 #198

But the 2016 primary will never get rehashed if everyone has your attitude!!! QC Mar 2018 #208

From the point of view of keeping the seat in Dem hands, it's moot... Rollo Mar 2018 #217

this Owl Mar 2018 #214

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