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Hortensis

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192. Those are all DEMOCRATIC PARTY ideals.

Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:34 PM

Mar 2018

As you MUST know as a Democrat. Sanders merely wraps a "we can have it all RIGHT NOW!" delusion around it and claims that as his own. Going into 2018 and 2020, it's kind of past time to reacquaint ourselves with our party's record so we can evaluate all those who try to define it for us.

And, of course, Sanders' own. In 20 years in office in DC, he never learned the tools of government that politicians can use to achieve their promises and was revealed during the campaign to be astonishingly ignorant. (Yes, Trump did trump him on that. At least Sanders knew what the president did, just not how.) And, as you know, even Sanders' official economic plans were determined to be unworkable by all mainstream economists.

Of course, like Trump as it happened, Sanders almost certainly never expected to need to deliver.

Mr. Sanders’s shocking ignorance on his core issue
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-sanderss-shocking-ignorance-on-his-core-issue/2016/04/07/83a8e33c-fc34-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html?utm_term=.8e4cc03a42c4

9 things Bernie Sanders should’ve known about but didn’t in that Daily News interview
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/05/9-things-bernie-sanders-shouldve-known-about-but-didnt-in-that-daily-news-interview/?utm_term=.aa6a05c24672

The Atlantic: How Much Does Bernie Sanders Know About Policy?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanderss-rough-ride-with-the-daily-news/476919/

Oh, and here's our Democratic Party Platform. Just scanning the table of contents is inspiring and will remind us all why we are Democrats!

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf

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Sanders won't endorse Feinstein [View all] DonViejo Mar 2018 OP

Anybody surprised, raise your hand now! Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #1

Considering that he and Our Revolution have been running at about a 35% success rate... George II Mar 2018 #6

Yeah but, think about the millions of millenials...they are still buying the bullshit, many of them Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #10

American millennials? George II Mar 2018 #13

What bullshit exactly are you referring to? Magoo48 Mar 2018 #74

You commie!!! disillusioned73 Mar 2018 #76

Oh snap! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #79

The STUPID BULLSHIT that we can afford to primary electable democrats or run Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #82

Why won't another Democrat win in the same seat? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #112

Far left have yet to prove their Progressive agenda is for a majority of voters BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #116

Amen. Incumbency is always an advantage so a little know Dem challenging... brush Mar 2018 #119

NOW is NOT the time to PURIFY the party. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #121

Oh, I know. Like there aren't any repug incumbents to challenge. brush Mar 2018 #137

Mr. Rosewater, Magoo48 Mar 2018 #161

It's pointless. I figured that out a long time ago. leftofcool Mar 2018 #133

Indeed Cary Mar 2018 #145

Radical? Thank you! Magoo48 Mar 2018 #162

The idea of attacking Democrats who allegedly don't toe the line Cary Mar 2018 #177

You know what Im doing? Magoo48 Mar 2018 #160

Feinstein voted with trump 31% of the time. This is California. scipan Mar 2018 #199

Right on!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #83

BINGO! Champion Jack Mar 2018 #152

No, this bullshit: ehrnst Mar 2018 #178

Those are all DEMOCRATIC PARTY ideals. Hortensis Mar 2018 #192

LOL workinclasszero Mar 2018 #72

Their success rate is that high? I thought it was WhiteTara Mar 2018 #146

Actually most of their success was in 2016. They were 56% successful. However, in 2017... George II Mar 2018 #149

where did you get those numbers scipan Mar 2018 #202

The link I provided is for their own list of 2016 wins and losses. At the bottom of that page.... George II Mar 2018 #203

You are correct. Thanks for answering. scipan Mar 2018 #209

Not me based on how she treated him during the primaries LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #81

How did she treat him during the primaries? Is it because she acted like, perish the thought.... George II Mar 2018 #98

And what is your definition of how a Democrat should act exactly? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #107

Let's make a deal. Answer my questions and I'll answer your questions. Okay? George II Mar 2018 #110

She ridiculed the idea of single payer for one, just to dig at his campaign LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #114

Having a different opinion on policy isn't ridiculing someone else who has a different opinion.... George II Mar 2018 #118

She voted with Trump 31% of the time, scipan Mar 2018 #204

I'd like to see what those votes were. For one thing, there haven't been too many Senate votes... George II Mar 2018 #205

found a good list of all senators scipan Mar 2018 #210

That table is way too subjectively constructed and we still don't know which, and how many, votes... George II Mar 2018 #211

In 2017 the Senate had 325 roll call votes. Of those 60% were procedural (motion for cloture... George II Mar 2018 #207

"Acts" like a Democrat? ehrnst Mar 2018 #129

Funny how Democrats in power and running for office are coming over to Bernie's way of thinking... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #170

Also good to see Bernie coming around to Hillary's way of thinking about ehrnst Mar 2018 #173

Hillary certainly had some good ideas. Bernie's smart to incorporate 'em into his progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #186

Hillary had a plan for universal health care coverage, financial reforms and privacy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #138

If only! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #167

Indeed, we had a candidate who was that good - and effective to boot. ehrnst Mar 2018 #172

Good grief, who gives a rat's ass what Sanders does? Cary Mar 2018 #2

Unfortuately DownriverDem Mar 2018 #9

+100 demigoddess Mar 2018 #65

I have gone back and forth with Sanders' supporters on exactly that Cary Mar 2018 #75

And as Our Revolution President Nina Turner said in an interview with The Nation Magazine..... George II Mar 2018 #111

That is because they are issues-based scipan Mar 2018 #206

Yea, like voting for a gorilla. leftofcool Mar 2018 #134

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #140

lol.. that's what Cha Mar 2018 #108

Great minds ... Cary Mar 2018 #142

I know at the time you posed that question you were post #2 BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #117

At the time I originally said that Sanders was going nowhere, I was correct. Cary Mar 2018 #141

Guess we'll see... Bernie might have something to say about that. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #169

Yes, Bernie says a lot of things. ehrnst Mar 2018 #174

I know. Right? Cary Mar 2018 #176

Very. But certainly many people think having their biases confirmed is worth far more than ehrnst Mar 2018 #179

Radicals will be radicals Cary Mar 2018 #181

I think that's what drives some to be radicals but not all. ehrnst Mar 2018 #187

Changing minds IS accomplishing things... certainly a good start. Rome wasn't built in a day... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #185

It's not even about changing minds - it's about continuing what has been accomplished ehrnst Mar 2018 #188

That too! I agree. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #189

We agree on goals, but may diverge on strategy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #190

I hear ya AND I think Bernie is more than capable of adapting... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #194

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #3

Full of himself Cary Mar 2018 #4

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #15

No Surprise DownriverDem Mar 2018 #5

No big deal. That's his prerogative. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2018 #7

Absolutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #85

As I & others have noted all along: He's not a Democrat. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #8

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #12

Yep DownriverDem Mar 2018 #14

I t hink that he is a positive force fighting for issues that matter to me. CentralMass Mar 2018 #69

How and what? Thanks. George II Mar 2018 #99

I think he is as well. whathehell Mar 2018 #171

Why does he need to? The state Dems chose not to endorse her. jalan48 Mar 2018 #11

Bernie is Bernie DownriverDem Mar 2018 #17

13 million wanted him in the primary. jalan48 Mar 2018 #21

2016 is so over. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #50

The issues aren't over. Again, 13 million voters liked what you call "far left". jalan48 Mar 2018 #52

How many of that number were in effect anyone but Hillary ? OnDoutside Mar 2018 #57

I hope not many because it would call into question the Democratic Party's method for choosing jalan48 Mar 2018 #64

Not necessarily, bearing in mind it was the Primaries, and 66m voted for her in the General. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #88

I seem to remember it was people's votes that chose our Presidential candidate. Demit Mar 2018 #102

Yes. Math indicated that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #126

What question? Democratic voters made their choice - a substantial mandate. ehrnst Mar 2018 #120

13 million could not and did not win the Dem nomination. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #62

It's not the winning, it's the support for the ideas he put forth. jalan48 Mar 2018 #67

Actually, the harsh truth is - it IS the winning. calimary Mar 2018 #80

And they dont get their precious unicorns Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #84

Actually, math matters. Louder does not equal more numerous. ehrnst Mar 2018 #122

Now THERE'S an idea!! Sorry, but you're makin' WAAYYY too much sense Jalan... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #168

Well, if we go with the endorsements from Our Revolution ehrnst Mar 2018 #175

Completely agree. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #182

I don't think Bernie will get the nomination but the issues he brings forth are winners for Democrats jalan48 Mar 2018 #184

Jalan, why is that? kstewart33 Mar 2018 #195

I think it's because of what she has been through. jalan48 Mar 2018 #196

Good points. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #200

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #124

So you're saying you're okay with #fakepresident? Cary Mar 2018 #144

To be fair angrychair Mar 2018 #77

The voters decide who stays and who goes. Her constituency elected her. ehrnst Mar 2018 #123

Challenge them? angrychair Mar 2018 #143

So there is no value to experience and skill gained from years of effective ehrnst Mar 2018 #159

Not the point though, is it? angrychair Mar 2018 #212

The point indeed was "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." ehrnst Mar 2018 #213

Why the ageism?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #93

Not in California. George II Mar 2018 #101

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #42

Help me out here. What is far left? To me, without any specifics, it's just a label -- KPN Mar 2018 #55

Trotskyist ..... I mean Progressive ! OnDoutside Mar 2018 #58

Then why is the Democratic Party coming around to Bernie's way of thinking... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #92

The state Dems endorsed a Democrat. Don't try to make the case equivalent. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #23

So-you're saying he should have endorsed Leon? jalan48 Mar 2018 #25

In that case he should endorse whoever his primary horse is... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #28

Do all Senators endorse candidates in other State elections? jalan48 Mar 2018 #32

Are all Senators the de facto leader of the Democratic Party? Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #35

De facto leader of the Democrats? I don't think so, though he's popular with millions of them. jalan48 Mar 2018 #39

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #41

No surprise there! Bernie is in good company apparently. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #90

The state "Dems" (Democrats) chose not to endorse ANYONE. George II Mar 2018 #100

Nor any other Senate or Governor candidates. ehrnst Mar 2018 #125

He Didn't Even Endorse His Own Son Me. Mar 2018 #16

Well, duh. It's his son. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #19

IF It's "Of Course" He Should Say So Me. Mar 2018 #27

Will Sanders be happy when the Republicans destroy Social Security and Medicare......? radliberal Mar 2018 #18

Welcome to DU! Plucketeer Mar 2018 #48

In a word, yes. leftofcool Mar 2018 #135

Welcome to DU, radliberal! calimary Mar 2018 #216

OF COURSE HE WON'T ENDORSE HER. LisaM Mar 2018 #20

Neither did the California Democratic Party. David__77 Mar 2018 #22

California Democratic Party offered no endorsements in U.S. Senate or governor's races ehrnst Mar 2018 #44

No he isn't. He hasn't come out and said that he won't endorse De Leon, did he? George II Mar 2018 #151

So much outrage in this thread Devil Child Mar 2018 #24

I agree. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #60

I don't recall ever Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #26

Who's Sanders?! democratisphere Mar 2018 #29

He is wise to stay out of the California primary still_one Mar 2018 #30

I lost any respect for Sanders when he did it speak out strongly against Russia throwing the kimbutgar Mar 2018 #31

+1 pandr32 Mar 2018 #38

Do you that he was aware that the Russians were doing this ? CentralMass Mar 2018 #43

How could he not be aware? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #45

Not strongly as he should have in my opinion. It was really lukewarm. kimbutgar Mar 2018 #49

He has made many many statements abouytg the need to investigate Russian interference in the electio CentralMass Mar 2018 #51

He wasnt even a real Democrat. kimbutgar Mar 2018 #53

I'm 58 and have been a life long Democrats as were my parents before me. CentralMass Mar 2018 #54

I got four years on you 62 in a couple of weeks. [ ugh just saying that Im old) kimbutgar Mar 2018 #56

I think that he energized a lot of voters including a lot of new voters. CentralMass Mar 2018 #63

Why did he hire Tad Devine? Devine used to work with R B Garr Mar 2018 #73

You're making too much sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #94

Well regarding his support of Marie Newman, he is in good company. CentralMass Mar 2018 #33

Thanks for all your good posts here, CM. Mc Mike Mar 2018 #132

+1 CentralMass Mar 2018 #150

Screw Sanders. He doesn't care about anything except himself. LiberalFighter Mar 2018 #34

Riiiight!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #86

Of Course not. Lil Missy Mar 2018 #36

Considering his success rate with endorsements, this is very good news for Feinstein lunamagica Mar 2018 #37

Ouch ! But true. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #59

Well said! Maven Mar 2018 #71

This Californian does not care one wit about Sanders or who he endorsed. He's right, it's an issue mulsh Mar 2018 #40

+1 CentralMass Mar 2018 #46

Could be a blessing for her, statistically speaking. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #47

Because he is not a Democrat liberal N proud Mar 2018 #61

That's the problem i.e. he isn't a Democrat but is allowed to run under the Democratic Party banner. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #91

Sanders is not a Democrat....has no say....should shut up. Rene Mar 2018 #66

Sanders is as much a Democrat in the spirit of progressivism as anybody. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #87

Rofl Wwcd Mar 2018 #96

Yes, which splains why Bernie enthusiastically caucuses with, and is welcomed to do so by, Democrats InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #103

No. He's not a Democrat. He doesn't want to be a Democrat, and he does nothing but Squinch Mar 2018 #109

Yes, that's why he campaigns for Democrats... I see. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #115

Not nearly so many as he trashes. And most of those he campaigns for would do better without him. Squinch Mar 2018 #130

Have we got a ruling yet on whether,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2018 #68

Bernie caucuses with the Democrats... nuff said. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #89

Yeah. The "hands off Bernie" rule happened before he began trashing every Democrat Squinch Mar 2018 #106

amen samnsara Mar 2018 #128

Not without getting banned from Bernie Underground leftofcool Mar 2018 #136

Who cares? He's irrelevant to actual Democrats. Maven Mar 2018 #70

I certainly don't. calimary Mar 2018 #78

Would not have guessed that based on Bernie's popularity. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #95

You're going to quote that poll that says he's the most popular guy ever, aren't you? Squinch Mar 2018 #131

Didn't know you had to be THE MOST popular politician to be relevant. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #154

Pence was really popular in that poll too. Everyone loves him, too, doncha know? Squinch Mar 2018 #156

LOL, so now you're comparing Bernie to Pence... oookayyyy. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #166

Nooooo, I'm saying the same poll that said Bernie was the most popular politician also Squinch Mar 2018 #191

Okay, my bad, sorry for the confusion. No doubt though Bernie is popular for all the right reasons. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #193

Here is the thing I can not stand in this debate Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #97

Same thing here. DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #155

Can you tell us what he said? Squinch Mar 2018 #157

So Mark said Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #163

Yikes. Pride and the fall and all that... Squinch Mar 2018 #164

Yep Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #165

Why is he being so erratic about where to insert himself? bettyellen Mar 2018 #104

Feinstein will do just fine without the endorsment. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #105

Why is this news? mcar Mar 2018 #113

Im donating to DiFi samnsara Mar 2018 #127

Um, who cares? JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #139

ho hum left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #147

And, here you are.. kicking it again. Cha Mar 2018 #148

If I were her, Jamaal510 Mar 2018 #153

But he is encouraging folks maxrandb Mar 2018 #158

Something isn't kosher, I'll give you that. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #180

I'll take that as a plus for Feinstein. She's a senator, Hortensis Mar 2018 #183

There's a reason why he wants Feinstein out. She turned her back to him & walked away as he Wwcd Mar 2018 #197

The problem is so many millennials are invested in him, we cant lose them. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #201

Neither has Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Warren, Kaine etc etc Arazi Mar 2018 #198

But the 2016 primary will never get rehashed if everyone has your attitude!!! QC Mar 2018 #208

From the point of view of keeping the seat in Dem hands, it's moot... Rollo Mar 2018 #217

this Owl Mar 2018 #214

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