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Wwcd

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4. Seems there's been an understating of facts for sometime now.

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:03 PM

Mar 2018

Why not speak the truth & stand by it?
Why ever use intentional slight-of-hand for your own record, while exposing others for theirs?
Why?

Sanders' record was fact checked once before.
This should clear up a few misconceptions.

"Everything you wanted to know about Bernie Sanders's record on guns"

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/01/26/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-bernie-sanderss-record-on-guns/

SNIP

For voters wondering about the facts underlying claims by Sanders and Clinton about Sanders's gun record, we've compiled a complete round-up of our related fact-checks, with links to each original fact-check in the headline.
You can see that the mailer glosses over or obscures key aspects of his record and is worthy of some Pinocchios.

More at link

As far back as campaign 2015/16, the topic of gun legislation has come up.
Its bound to come to the fore again with the Parkland March for gun legislation.
As a Senator who's vote matters, it is fair & necessary for all to get the misconceptions out of the way as we campaign in for 2018/20

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Sanders Lowballs Vermont Gun Deaths by an Order of Magnitude [View all] George II Mar 2018 OP

A typo...? Grins Mar 2018 #1

Always excuses for Bernie murielm99 Mar 2018 #2

Go home, Bernie. It's OVER. calimary Mar 2018 #12

I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders but if he said 42, rather than 420, then that sounds like a typo StevieM Mar 2018 #16

A spokesperson has clarified... it was intentional. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #55

Pardon? He intentionally doesn't want to mention 378 people who died of guns in Vermont? Corvo Bianco Mar 2018 #61

Making such a hair-splitting distinction makes things sound better than they really are. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #62

You're saying that a Sanders spokesperson has said that Bernie intentionally falsified numbers? StevieM Mar 2018 #77

Yes it does "seem unlikely" but it's true. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #78

Nonsense.Give it up will ya.Nit picking is so petty in this circumstance. onit2day Mar 2018 #87

Nope Bernie didn't correct the mistake...did a double down instead. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #89

If you read the article, they think he might have meant homicides by gun OnlinePoker Mar 2018 #3

Don't cloud the message with facts. CentralMass Mar 2018 #6

See post #7. George II Mar 2018 #9

Stop clouding the facts as an appeal to both sides of an issue. Wwcd Mar 2018 #13

Less fact, and more an interpretation. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #30

Then make a point to say what you mean. Stop leaving yourself an "out". Wwcd Mar 2018 #8

"I voted for it because.........", "I voted against it because.........." George II Mar 2018 #10

Exactly. And then move on to the next issue. Wwcd Mar 2018 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Billsmile Mar 2018 #23

Like that matters. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Julian Englis Mar 2018 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #15

Typing a tweet on a telephone is entirely different than preparing a speech in advance... George II Mar 2018 #18

42 is a long way from 420. Wwcd Mar 2018 #19

I understand Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #20

I understand it more like, " no ill must ever be spoken of sanders..." Wwcd Mar 2018 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Mar 2018 #41

Why doesn't BS correct his mistake then? Cha Mar 2018 #94

He didnt make one ? KTM Mar 2018 #98

He did. He said: George II Mar 2018 #107

How about y'all just read through the article LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #49

And yet the incorrect comment was made ON the record from the floor of the Senate... George II Mar 2018 #106

Yes. Either he or his speech writer mistook "homicides" with "deaths" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #113

"Democrat politicians"? George II Mar 2018 #114

lol Case in point! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #118

But even Autocorrect knows "Corps" follows the word "Marine"! 7962 Mar 2018 #24

He was talking about gun deaths in his own State. Wwcd Mar 2018 #31

The rest of the gun deaths were suicides Maggiemayhem Mar 2018 #47

How bout starting with the truth. Not having listeners have to figure out what Wwcd Mar 2018 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #63

I don't get it either Voltaire2 LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #68

What does any of this have to do with the 2016 primaries? George II Mar 2018 #91

He doesn't vote Democratic. He's Independent. shenmue Mar 2018 #80

Gun deaths by suicide are still gun deaths. There Cha Mar 2018 #95

I don't think that he believes he makes mistakes. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #103

Right.. it's everyone Cha Mar 2018 #104

People who disagree with him on anything. Anything at all. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #105

We used to give the benefit of the doubt to others. summer_in_TX Mar 2018 #97

+1 KTM Mar 2018 #102

Most certainly Not a typo, as 'e' and 'p' would not be an error of speed LanternWaste Mar 2018 #34

Seems there's been an understating of facts for sometime now. Wwcd Mar 2018 #4

He only counted homicides and left out suicides. nt hack89 Mar 2018 #5

Suicides are homicides: George II Mar 2018 #7

In the quoted study they were broken out seperately hack89 Mar 2018 #14

Depending on your agenda! 7962 Mar 2018 #21

Then why didn't he take a moment to point out that difference? Wwcd Mar 2018 #22

Don't know, don't really care. hack89 Mar 2018 #26

HA! 7962 Mar 2018 #32

When his voice & words are intent on influencing citizens as to gun rights, Wwcd Mar 2018 #35

I don't see him as an influential voice in the Senate hack89 Mar 2018 #37

+1 George II Mar 2018 #38

Wait melman Mar 2018 #56

Not when access to guns results in deaths. George II Mar 2018 #25

ok. nt hack89 Mar 2018 #29

Interpretation is then left to those listening. Wwcd Mar 2018 #36

LOL Maven Mar 2018 #11

Yeah, that guy. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #33

Yup. That guy..did he think no one would notice? Wwcd Mar 2018 #39

I guess not. But who has time for voting records when there's another movement he can co-opt? Maven Mar 2018 #42

Really, as close as that race ended up being...We certainly dodged a bullet there! Wwcd Mar 2018 #45

Great point! NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #75

Heaven help us all. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #51

Indeed. calimary Mar 2018 #57

He's a piece of work. nt jrthin Mar 2018 #40

Vermont has higher rate of gun ownership and gun deaths than CA, IL, NY, NJ frazzled Mar 2018 #43

That's a very interesting and informative chart. deurbano Mar 2018 #53

I thought it was interesting that of the three smallest New England states (NH, VT, RI).... George II Mar 2018 #59

Much higher sucide rate. Lower murder rate than MA, CT, and RI hack89 Mar 2018 #112

Yes and no. Igel Mar 2018 #71

And VT still has a higher rate than other NE states, plus CA, IL, etc. frazzled Mar 2018 #82

Much higher sucide rate hack89 Mar 2018 #111

This is about guns and easy deaths, whether murders or suicides frazzled Mar 2018 #116

So why have gun deaths steadily declined over the pass 20 years hack89 Mar 2018 #117

Spokesman's Response Billsmile Mar 2018 #44

Of course. Gee thanks for explaining what Sanders should have known enough about in the first place. Wwcd Mar 2018 #46

Here are the Stats Billsmile Mar 2018 #58

Seven Days VT Billsmile Mar 2018 #48

Wow! Snubbing and spurning the press sounds... so... familiar. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #54

Hmm, that looks like the free press doing it's objective job, wouldn't you say? George II Mar 2018 #64

Here's Another Seven Days VT Article Billsmile Mar 2018 #70

Thank you, that's my point. I think someone in this discussion is going to be very disappointed... George II Mar 2018 #72

Wow! Good catch. So much for transparency. R B Garr Mar 2018 #115

The thing is he hardly ever holds press conferences. I can't remember the last time he did. But... George II Mar 2018 #60

Very carefully controlled? melman Mar 2018 #65

Ever watch Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc.? George II Mar 2018 #66

Of course melman Mar 2018 #67

So how are they controlled? melman Mar 2018 #73

Yes, he tells them is them in advance what issues they can discuss and ask questions about. George II Mar 2018 #74

Hmmmmm LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #52

He SHOULD have said "42 people were murdered by guns" jmowreader Mar 2018 #69

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #76

Snotty, aren't we? Telling people to leave the country just because they messed with precious Bernie shenmue Mar 2018 #81

I know right, shenmue.. Cha Mar 2018 #84

Unbelievable, huh? Thanks. George II Mar 2018 #85

I think he meant there was 42 deaths of people who got between him and a video camera njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #79

bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Mar 2018 #86

ROFL Cha Mar 2018 #96

Ohhh, you're all over here in THIS Bernie thread... KTM Mar 2018 #83

That "minor comment" was made on the floor of the Senate. You act like it was made in a sports bar. George II Mar 2018 #88

Yes, and there was nothing wrong with it... KTM Mar 2018 #99

The article wasn't read on the record from the floor of the Senate. The false statement... George II Mar 2018 #108

Keep reaching lol KTM Mar 2018 #109

The article says BS corrected another previous misstatement.. Cha Mar 2018 #101

He is the worst ellie Mar 2018 #90

Really? Worse than Trump? meadowlander Mar 2018 #100

Yes. ellie Mar 2018 #119

BS needs to get his facts straight Cha Mar 2018 #93

Bernie has a complicated history with the NRA so this doesn't surprise me onetexan Mar 2018 #110