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30. Less fact, and more an interpretation.

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 02:46 PM

Mar 2018

Less fact, and more an interpretation.

They are two wholly separate concepts. Easy to confuse the two, convenient to do it on purpose.

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Sanders Lowballs Vermont Gun Deaths by an Order of Magnitude [View all] George II Mar 2018 OP

A typo...? Grins Mar 2018 #1

Always excuses for Bernie murielm99 Mar 2018 #2

Go home, Bernie. It's OVER. calimary Mar 2018 #12

I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders but if he said 42, rather than 420, then that sounds like a typo StevieM Mar 2018 #16

A spokesperson has clarified... it was intentional. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #55

Pardon? He intentionally doesn't want to mention 378 people who died of guns in Vermont? Corvo Bianco Mar 2018 #61

Making such a hair-splitting distinction makes things sound better than they really are. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #62

You're saying that a Sanders spokesperson has said that Bernie intentionally falsified numbers? StevieM Mar 2018 #77

Yes it does "seem unlikely" but it's true. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #78

Nonsense.Give it up will ya.Nit picking is so petty in this circumstance. onit2day Mar 2018 #87

Nope Bernie didn't correct the mistake...did a double down instead. BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #89

If you read the article, they think he might have meant homicides by gun OnlinePoker Mar 2018 #3

Don't cloud the message with facts. CentralMass Mar 2018 #6

See post #7. George II Mar 2018 #9

Stop clouding the facts as an appeal to both sides of an issue. Wwcd Mar 2018 #13

Less fact, and more an interpretation. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #30

Then make a point to say what you mean. Stop leaving yourself an "out". Wwcd Mar 2018 #8

"I voted for it because.........", "I voted against it because.........." George II Mar 2018 #10

Exactly. And then move on to the next issue. Wwcd Mar 2018 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Billsmile Mar 2018 #23

Like that matters. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Julian Englis Mar 2018 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #15

Typing a tweet on a telephone is entirely different than preparing a speech in advance... George II Mar 2018 #18

42 is a long way from 420. Wwcd Mar 2018 #19

I understand Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #20

I understand it more like, " no ill must ever be spoken of sanders..." Wwcd Mar 2018 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Mar 2018 #41

Why doesn't BS correct his mistake then? Cha Mar 2018 #94

He didnt make one ? KTM Mar 2018 #98

He did. He said: George II Mar 2018 #107

How about y'all just read through the article LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #49

And yet the incorrect comment was made ON the record from the floor of the Senate... George II Mar 2018 #106

Yes. Either he or his speech writer mistook "homicides" with "deaths" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #113

"Democrat politicians"? George II Mar 2018 #114

lol Case in point! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #118

But even Autocorrect knows "Corps" follows the word "Marine"! 7962 Mar 2018 #24

He was talking about gun deaths in his own State. Wwcd Mar 2018 #31

The rest of the gun deaths were suicides Maggiemayhem Mar 2018 #47

How bout starting with the truth. Not having listeners have to figure out what Wwcd Mar 2018 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #63

I don't get it either Voltaire2 LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #68

What does any of this have to do with the 2016 primaries? George II Mar 2018 #91

He doesn't vote Democratic. He's Independent. shenmue Mar 2018 #80

Gun deaths by suicide are still gun deaths. There Cha Mar 2018 #95

I don't think that he believes he makes mistakes. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #103

Right.. it's everyone Cha Mar 2018 #104

People who disagree with him on anything. Anything at all. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #105

We used to give the benefit of the doubt to others. summer_in_TX Mar 2018 #97

+1 KTM Mar 2018 #102

Most certainly Not a typo, as 'e' and 'p' would not be an error of speed LanternWaste Mar 2018 #34

Seems there's been an understating of facts for sometime now. Wwcd Mar 2018 #4

He only counted homicides and left out suicides. nt hack89 Mar 2018 #5

Suicides are homicides: George II Mar 2018 #7

In the quoted study they were broken out seperately hack89 Mar 2018 #14

Depending on your agenda! 7962 Mar 2018 #21

Then why didn't he take a moment to point out that difference? Wwcd Mar 2018 #22

Don't know, don't really care. hack89 Mar 2018 #26

HA! 7962 Mar 2018 #32

When his voice & words are intent on influencing citizens as to gun rights, Wwcd Mar 2018 #35

I don't see him as an influential voice in the Senate hack89 Mar 2018 #37

+1 George II Mar 2018 #38

Wait melman Mar 2018 #56

Not when access to guns results in deaths. George II Mar 2018 #25

ok. nt hack89 Mar 2018 #29

Interpretation is then left to those listening. Wwcd Mar 2018 #36

LOL Maven Mar 2018 #11

Yeah, that guy. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #33

Yup. That guy..did he think no one would notice? Wwcd Mar 2018 #39

I guess not. But who has time for voting records when there's another movement he can co-opt? Maven Mar 2018 #42

Really, as close as that race ended up being...We certainly dodged a bullet there! Wwcd Mar 2018 #45

Great point! NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #75

Heaven help us all. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #51

Indeed. calimary Mar 2018 #57

He's a piece of work. nt jrthin Mar 2018 #40

Vermont has higher rate of gun ownership and gun deaths than CA, IL, NY, NJ frazzled Mar 2018 #43

That's a very interesting and informative chart. deurbano Mar 2018 #53

I thought it was interesting that of the three smallest New England states (NH, VT, RI).... George II Mar 2018 #59

Much higher sucide rate. Lower murder rate than MA, CT, and RI hack89 Mar 2018 #112

Yes and no. Igel Mar 2018 #71

And VT still has a higher rate than other NE states, plus CA, IL, etc. frazzled Mar 2018 #82

Much higher sucide rate hack89 Mar 2018 #111

This is about guns and easy deaths, whether murders or suicides frazzled Mar 2018 #116

So why have gun deaths steadily declined over the pass 20 years hack89 Mar 2018 #117

Spokesman's Response Billsmile Mar 2018 #44

Of course. Gee thanks for explaining what Sanders should have known enough about in the first place. Wwcd Mar 2018 #46

Here are the Stats Billsmile Mar 2018 #58

Seven Days VT Billsmile Mar 2018 #48

Wow! Snubbing and spurning the press sounds... so... familiar. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #54

Hmm, that looks like the free press doing it's objective job, wouldn't you say? George II Mar 2018 #64

Here's Another Seven Days VT Article Billsmile Mar 2018 #70

Thank you, that's my point. I think someone in this discussion is going to be very disappointed... George II Mar 2018 #72

Wow! Good catch. So much for transparency. R B Garr Mar 2018 #115

The thing is he hardly ever holds press conferences. I can't remember the last time he did. But... George II Mar 2018 #60

Very carefully controlled? melman Mar 2018 #65

Ever watch Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc.? George II Mar 2018 #66

Of course melman Mar 2018 #67

So how are they controlled? melman Mar 2018 #73

Yes, he tells them is them in advance what issues they can discuss and ask questions about. George II Mar 2018 #74

Hmmmmm LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #52

He SHOULD have said "42 people were murdered by guns" jmowreader Mar 2018 #69

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #76

Snotty, aren't we? Telling people to leave the country just because they messed with precious Bernie shenmue Mar 2018 #81

I know right, shenmue.. Cha Mar 2018 #84

Unbelievable, huh? Thanks. George II Mar 2018 #85

I think he meant there was 42 deaths of people who got between him and a video camera njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #79

bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Mar 2018 #86

ROFL Cha Mar 2018 #96

Ohhh, you're all over here in THIS Bernie thread... KTM Mar 2018 #83

That "minor comment" was made on the floor of the Senate. You act like it was made in a sports bar. George II Mar 2018 #88

Yes, and there was nothing wrong with it... KTM Mar 2018 #99

The article wasn't read on the record from the floor of the Senate. The false statement... George II Mar 2018 #108

Keep reaching lol KTM Mar 2018 #109

The article says BS corrected another previous misstatement.. Cha Mar 2018 #101

He is the worst ellie Mar 2018 #90

Really? Worse than Trump? meadowlander Mar 2018 #100

Yes. ellie Mar 2018 #119

BS needs to get his facts straight Cha Mar 2018 #93

Bernie has a complicated history with the NRA so this doesn't surprise me onetexan Mar 2018 #110