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In reply to the discussion: CU professor calls “BS” on Romney’s 13 percent tax rate claim [View all]TruthAnalyzed
(83 posts)56. That is completely different
You are trying to use the instant cash from a short in a way it can't be used. It's like saying, if you just short a stock, did you make money?
No, your position in that stock is net $0 unless it moves in your favor.
If you want to count the money that way, then you have to consider your short A position as being ($150), because you have to be able to cover it. Shorting stock isn't free money.
See, you're not getting money from a hedge. You are getting money from a short. It's no different than just shorting anything, and has nothing to do with eliminating the profit from your real position.
the advantage overall is being able to realize a gain today while deferring the tax liability indefinitely.
There are a couple of problems with that. First, when you have short positions, you have to keep them covered. You can't just short $1 million worth of stock, withdraw that $1 million, and just 'put off' covering those positions indefinitely. You have to maintain the ability to cover.
So all you are doing is basically taking a credit out of a stock, putting it into your trading account, but unless the stock moves in your favor, you can't really use that money.
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What in the world is this man griping about? The fact that you can use capital losses to offset
dkf
Aug 2012
#1
if ALL you have is capital losses, that is fine. but realizing losses while carrying gains....
unblock
Aug 2012
#6
harvesting naturally occuring losses is different from designing artificial losses to harvest.
unblock
Aug 2012
#43
i have no proof rmoney did it, but here's the strategy, and yes people have done this:
unblock
Aug 2012
#45
i'm not suggesting that the capital gains disappear, only that they're deferred.
unblock
Aug 2012
#51
you close out the short a and then re-establish it for the same amount 31 days later.
unblock
Aug 2012
#53
there are all sorts of ways around all sorts of problems. if you're rich, at least.
unblock
Aug 2012
#57
I think you're focusing on the fact that something has to be illegal to be considered in play for el
LanternWaste
Aug 2012
#48
13% of what is the kicker. What is his effective tax rate? Show us the returns Rmoney!
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#4
The returns wouldn't show the stuff the professor is talking about. That's the point.
BlueStreak
Aug 2012
#7
Do you think it would be more effective if he showed his IRS cancelled checks?
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#8