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TruthAnalyzed

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56. That is completely different
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:11 PM
Aug 2012

You are trying to use the instant cash from a short in a way it can't be used. It's like saying, if you just short a stock, did you make money?

No, your position in that stock is net $0 unless it moves in your favor.

If you want to count the money that way, then you have to consider your short A position as being ($150), because you have to be able to cover it. Shorting stock isn't free money.

See, you're not getting money from a hedge. You are getting money from a short. It's no different than just shorting anything, and has nothing to do with eliminating the profit from your real position.

the advantage overall is being able to realize a gain today while deferring the tax liability indefinitely.


There are a couple of problems with that. First, when you have short positions, you have to keep them covered. You can't just short $1 million worth of stock, withdraw that $1 million, and just 'put off' covering those positions indefinitely. You have to maintain the ability to cover.

So all you are doing is basically taking a credit out of a stock, putting it into your trading account, but unless the stock moves in your favor, you can't really use that money.

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What in the world is this man griping about? The fact that you can use capital losses to offset dkf Aug 2012 #1
Once again you've got the 1%'s back. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #3
Whats he griping about? calilama Aug 2012 #5
Welcome to DU calilama...and you are right on with this one. AllyCat Aug 2012 #13
if ALL you have is capital losses, that is fine. but realizing losses while carrying gains.... unblock Aug 2012 #6
huh? naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #15
well just for that one paragraph of the explanation, sure, no taxes. unblock Aug 2012 #21
That's a loser argument naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #42
harvesting naturally occuring losses is different from designing artificial losses to harvest. unblock Aug 2012 #43
I'd love to see an actual example of this naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #44
i have no proof rmoney did it, but here's the strategy, and yes people have done this: unblock Aug 2012 #45
ok so, let's play with some numbers: naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #46
exactly. unblock Aug 2012 #47
yes of course, naaman fletcher Aug 2012 #49
It doesn't work that way. TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #50
i'm not suggesting that the capital gains disappear, only that they're deferred. unblock Aug 2012 #51
What difference is it supposed to make? TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #52
you close out the short a and then re-establish it for the same amount 31 days later. unblock Aug 2012 #53
... TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #54
let's just take this one part: unblock Aug 2012 #55
That is completely different TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #56
there are all sorts of ways around all sorts of problems. if you're rich, at least. unblock Aug 2012 #57
My point is TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #58
You ever hear of "artificial losses" Major Nikon Aug 2012 #9
So we want to hit Romney for doing things that were perfectly legal at the time. dkf Aug 2012 #24
Legal does not mean it's right Major Nikon Aug 2012 #25
Frankly I'm not sure why any exemption is fair and "right". dkf Aug 2012 #26
Obama doesn't take the standard deduction Major Nikon Aug 2012 #27
I wish you gave Trayvon Martin the benefit of the doubt you give Romney CreekDog Aug 2012 #31
you haven't seen his taxes, you don't know if they were legal CreekDog Aug 2012 #30
Legal? Ok, I can buy that, Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2012 #36
Yes, Rmoney was just "standing his ground" ashling Aug 2012 #41
I think you're focusing on the fact that something has to be illegal to be considered in play for el LanternWaste Aug 2012 #48
This is exactly what I was talking about Major Nikon Aug 2012 #61
I really really really cannot wait ... Trajan Aug 2012 #11
I hung out here for so long I started seeing the holes in the lefts arguments. dkf Aug 2012 #29
Looks like you damn Democrats with faint praise Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #34
LMFAO. You can always be counted on to... Marr Aug 2012 #14
You don't seem to mind when poor people are criticized, you even join in CreekDog Aug 2012 #18
Right On! HangOnKids Aug 2012 #22
Hard to say how ridiculous it might be quaker bill Aug 2012 #20
Our side? Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #32
"our side" - I'm pretty sure I'm not on your side. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #37
I can hear it now. "Technically true? That's the best kind of true!" n/t Akoto Aug 2012 #2
13% of what is the kicker. What is his effective tax rate? Show us the returns Rmoney! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #4
The returns wouldn't show the stuff the professor is talking about. That's the point. BlueStreak Aug 2012 #7
Do you think it would be more effective if he showed his IRS cancelled checks? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #8
The returns would be helpful, but they may not show the sheltered income. BlueStreak Aug 2012 #10
And I wonder if 10% of the 13% is his tithe to the Mormon Church... n/t flor-de-jasmim Aug 2012 #12
We Don't Even Know That Much DallasNE Aug 2012 #16
The claim is so vague...so wishy-washy...and such bullshit. SoapBox Aug 2012 #17
i can only say this 1 million times more.... Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #19
Hello Hello 13% Like Wow Man ! YOHABLO Aug 2012 #23
"capital losses" ... I mentioned that here the other day ... zbdent Aug 2012 #28
Has he actually seen Romney's returns? hughee99 Aug 2012 #33
Well, You Don't Know if Harry Reid is Telling the Truth On the Road Aug 2012 #38
I'm sure Reid is telling the truth though there's no way to prove he's not. hughee99 Aug 2012 #39
The Fact Is That Even A 13% Rate Is Very Low TomCADem Aug 2012 #40
The Main Point Will Change in a Second On the Road Aug 2012 #59
Yet, This Embraces A Double Standard. "Mainstream" Republicans... TomCADem Aug 2012 #60
LOVE it when the experts fill us in Skittles Aug 2012 #35
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