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In reply to the discussion: CU professor calls “BS” on Romney’s 13 percent tax rate claim [View all]TruthAnalyzed
(83 posts)58. My point is
you can't rationally create a loss to offset a gain, in order to avoid taxes. If you do that, you will end up with $0 net in usable capital. It's completely irrational. It doesn't matter if you create losses in stock, funds, derivatives, forex, commodities... a loss is a loss is a loss.
The only way I could see it making sense would be to delay realizing gains because your tax rate will change soon, which is probably why the SEC instigated that 60-day rule on hedging the same stock. Either way, you're not saving money by creating losses.
I fail to see how a hedge could be used as collateral for a loan. A hedge has no inherent value, it wouldn't have value as collateral.
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What in the world is this man griping about? The fact that you can use capital losses to offset
dkf
Aug 2012
#1
if ALL you have is capital losses, that is fine. but realizing losses while carrying gains....
unblock
Aug 2012
#6
harvesting naturally occuring losses is different from designing artificial losses to harvest.
unblock
Aug 2012
#43
i have no proof rmoney did it, but here's the strategy, and yes people have done this:
unblock
Aug 2012
#45
i'm not suggesting that the capital gains disappear, only that they're deferred.
unblock
Aug 2012
#51
you close out the short a and then re-establish it for the same amount 31 days later.
unblock
Aug 2012
#53
there are all sorts of ways around all sorts of problems. if you're rich, at least.
unblock
Aug 2012
#57
I think you're focusing on the fact that something has to be illegal to be considered in play for el
LanternWaste
Aug 2012
#48
13% of what is the kicker. What is his effective tax rate? Show us the returns Rmoney!
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#4
The returns wouldn't show the stuff the professor is talking about. That's the point.
BlueStreak
Aug 2012
#7
Do you think it would be more effective if he showed his IRS cancelled checks?
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#8