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suffragette

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85. Very much the medieval view of this
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:33 PM
Aug 2012

Good article in the Guardian on some of the history of that:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h-word/2012/aug/20/legitimate-rape-medieval-medical-concept

Another good piece on this here (which is where I found the link to the Guardian article):
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-akin-rape-20120820,0,5778696.story

One wonders which doctors Akin has been consulting; apparently, it's the kind who wear cowls on their heads and spend most of their time swirling urine samples around in a flask in search of black bile and other ill humors. Deep in the Middle Ages, it was thought that women could only conceive if they had an orgasm -- thus, it followed that if a woman enjoyed the intercourse, she couldn't possibly have been raped. Vanessa Heggie in The Guardian traced the legal theory generated by this philosphy back to 13th century England and a very early legal text called "Fleta," which states, "If, however, the woman should have conceived in the time alleged in the appeal, it abates, for without a woman's consent she could not conceive."

The pro-life set apparently has a more modern take on this idea, but its scientific illegitimacy -- and the stunning degree to which it denigrates women and rape victims -- remain pretty obvious. Nonetheless, Akin will probably survive the controversy. But that's still not what's scary about this story.

Akin has retracted his statement via Tweet, which won't stop his opponent, incumbent Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, from continuing to hammer him for it. Yet McCaskill is up against deep-seated voter anger at incumbents, and until recently Akin was leading her by several percentage points in the polls. His religious conservative backers won't be bothered in the least by his statements on rape, which for them only enhance his anti-abortion credentials. The Missouri race will remain one of the most closely watched Senate contests in the country, and it will likely be close in November.

So what's so scary about Todd Akin? It's that he currently sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, which oversees federal spending on non-defense-related research. This is not the kind of post for someone who thinks pregnancy can be suppressed by women's bodies. He also sits on the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment, which is not the ideal assignment for a guy who thinks that climate change, if it's happening at all, is probably a result of solar flares. This is, of course, the House the tea party built. Unless voters put a stop to this anti-science movement, the Senate could soon go the same way. Now that's a nightmare.




Scary indeed that someone with his views is in a position to create and/or block science and energy policy.

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Lemme tell you about how a stork brings a baby to a house... PCIntern Aug 2012 #1
Wow - all the Repubbies want to jump into the cesspool Berlum Aug 2012 #2
The Repugs are doubling down! fantomas Aug 2012 #3
Sounds like his daughters have been lucky so far. IggleDoer Aug 2012 #4
Snort. GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #8
Maybe he should keep checking within his family. Just because nobody told him doesn't mean nanabugg Aug 2012 #64
he's an attention hound fanning flames on purpose imho corkhead Aug 2012 #5
personally Jeneral2885 Aug 2012 #6
Of course, Rep. King Lindsay Aug 2012 #7
That's because Berlin Expat Aug 2012 #93
i guess he never heard of a shot gun wedding! hedgehog Aug 2012 #9
Just WOW! Zoonart Aug 2012 #10
"This is really the limit...." Harry Monroe Aug 2012 #59
It's not stupidity, it's hatred Hydra Aug 2012 #104
Double Down BeliQueen Aug 2012 #11
You know NOTHING--Yet you want to legislate for all women! CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #12
+ a brazillion. nolabear Aug 2012 #17
In contrast with what Obama said at the Press Conference Yesterday: freshwest Aug 2012 #51
He could have skipped the last sentence. qwlauren35 Aug 2012 #108
Yeah--rather like celibate priests deciding issues concerning women's reproductive tblue37 Aug 2012 #54
No to "ridiculous", yes to "disturbing". qwlauren35 Aug 2012 #107
Oh, then that makes it okay. olddad56 Aug 2012 #13
And these are the same ones who rail against unwed teen pregnancies BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #14
Well those unwed teens wouldn't be getting preggers if they kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #102
Good lord, who the hell votes xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #15
Steve King is from my state of Iowa... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #18
I've only had a pic in my head of Iowans as a sane group of folks AllyCat Aug 2012 #45
Iowa has given us Tom Harkin loyalsister Aug 2012 #65
I hope like hell this may be the straw that breaks his campaign. Go Christie! rurallib Aug 2012 #84
I know there is a big difference between the two ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #16
Incredible Vietnameravet Aug 2012 #19
Welcome to DU VEV! Can you believe this craziness? AllyCat Aug 2012 #40
IA-4 is in play (currently a "Lean Republican" district); Christie Vilsack can use help brooklynite Aug 2012 #20
This is also a flat out LIE..he himself has used that scenario! Sylvarose Aug 2012 #21
I don't know...he sounds pretty compelling... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #22
That's what they do...LIE. That's all they know how to do AllyCat Aug 2012 #41
Wow, this is what represents the morons of the world. Historic NY Aug 2012 #23
None personally, so when all his friends tell him about the sex they have with their daughters CBGLuthier Aug 2012 #24
Steve King DEFENDS Akin as a strong Christian man!! CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #25
How logical! America, your leaders are on display! Democrats_win Aug 2012 #26
There you go bringing SCIENCE into things! AllyCat Aug 2012 #43
All 32,000 of those women enjoyed it and had orgasms - that's why they got pregnant. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #57
Very much the medieval view of this suffragette Aug 2012 #85
Funny - thought he was a Bible believer dmallind Aug 2012 #27
Yeah, they get real mad when you bring that up. AllyCat Aug 2012 #44
Wow. I know 3 cases personally. Liberal Veteran Aug 2012 #28
"but I don't know enough to figure out if it was rape since they were both minors" geardaddy Aug 2012 #38
Statutory, yes. qwlauren35 Aug 2012 #111
Boys can be raped too and be non-consensual "partners" in incest. geardaddy Aug 2012 #129
The secret the kids and their kids live with Gabby Hayes Aug 2012 #122
??? drm604 Aug 2012 #29
Well, I would guess that's why they are trying to redefine rape AllyCat Aug 2012 #37
Wow, he's talking through his hole, too Warpy Aug 2012 #30
The Magical Mysterious Vagina Can Prevent Pregnancy When it WANTS to PossumSqueezins Aug 2012 #31
I mentioned something similar to this on a FB page where the fundies AllyCat Aug 2012 #36
"magical mysterious vagina" Occulus Aug 2012 #74
What are the odds of this fucking moron being re-elected? cabot Aug 2012 #32
South janlyn Aug 2012 #77
He is from IOWA obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #110
Maybe he PERSONALLY didn't hear of it before now AllyCat Aug 2012 #33
The Stoopids hurt my head!!!!!!! benld74 Aug 2012 #34
He's never heard of it? He's stupid and dense and willfully deaf and forgetfull and ignorant. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #35
If he believes what he says, I've got a bridge to sell him. n/t kiranon Aug 2012 #39
Sadly, mostly uneducated people are their fans, and they continue to influence education in this juajen Aug 2012 #56
Does this man live in a closet without modern communication...or is he deaf Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #42
It must be nice living under a rock. LisaL Aug 2012 #46
God in heaven, they don't even hide their hatred for women anymore Suji to Seoul Aug 2012 #47
A closed mouth gathers no feet... sky imager Aug 2012 #48
Someone needs to educate that idiot. Not only do pregnancies through incest occur, the appleannie1 Aug 2012 #49
No egg = no pregnancy HockeyMom Aug 2012 #50
The depth of ignorance is just breathtaking. CanonRay Aug 2012 #52
This man needs to spend some time with social workers who JDPriestly Aug 2012 #53
You can be sure that'll never happen. Mariana Aug 2012 #118
Idiocracy is truly upon us Harry Monroe Aug 2012 #55
"idiocracy"---did you coin that term? It's GRRREEEAAATTT wordpix Aug 2012 #101
Download or rent the movie "Idiocracy" Harry Monroe Aug 2012 #109
The movie takes place 500 years in the future. Frank Cannon Aug 2012 #123
I don't personally know of any SheilaT Aug 2012 #58
Hey, hey hey. I don't like your last sentence!! Harry Monroe Aug 2012 #62
Lemme get my clue-by-four sakabatou Aug 2012 #60
What does he consider "statutory rape?" Renew Deal Aug 2012 #61
I think there's a whole lotta teh stoopid goin' on around here Tansy_Gold Aug 2012 #69
I wish I could say the same, but I used to work with foster kids. LeftyMom Aug 2012 #63
Get a brain moran jpak Aug 2012 #66
Well, then. That settles it, you self-important know-it-all bag of wind. LuckyLib Aug 2012 #67
King should just sit down and close his damn pie hole. RoccoR5955 Aug 2012 #68
That fuck is an embarassment to Iowa 47of74 Aug 2012 #70
Allow me to fix that for you: Berlin Expat Aug 2012 #94
Wow! What a way to keep the story alive! They're doing our work for us! truthisfreedom Aug 2012 #71
Self Destruct oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #125
He's a liar AlbertCat Aug 2012 #72
Why is he making such obviously untrue statements? Is he that ignorant? What does gain from such wake.up.america Aug 2012 #73
He can't even believe that's true gollygee Aug 2012 #75
Steve, maybe you're such an asshole no one wants to bring a personal thing like that up with you JHB Aug 2012 #76
Voter Fraud? SCVDem Aug 2012 #78
Isn't that where that Madmiddle Aug 2012 #79
It's good that this is all coming out in the open now. yardwork Aug 2012 #80
Go Republicans! UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #81
I guess he Magleetis Aug 2012 #82
Why would they have to bring it to you personally? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #83
Well, I've never personally known anyone named Steve and Janice making a baby, JBoy Aug 2012 #86
So just for a little clarity.... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #87
RepublicansForRape.org _Liann_ Aug 2012 #88
I guess the victims didn't have their Ipana Invisible Shield. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #89
I think you're confusing old commercial Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #112
Surprise? oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #90
Religious right: too fucking stupid to hold public office n/t RainDog Aug 2012 #91
Is this guy trying to top himself for idiocy every time he speaks? treestar Aug 2012 #92
JASIR lark Aug 2012 #95
Thats because you, steve, think women are not worth being listened to or believed Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #96
My grandma got pregnant at age 15. NickB79 Aug 2012 #97
Within a week or so this will be a Republican talking point Doctor_J Aug 2012 #98
My great-grandfather is rateyes Aug 2012 #99
The mind boggles at these medieval beliefs Politicub Aug 2012 #100
RR - the Republic Rape Party for Rmoney-Ryan wordpix Aug 2012 #103
Maybe King's mother is also his aunt. Ilsa Aug 2012 #105
My grandmother was born in 1886 HeiressofBickworth Aug 2012 #106
Akin, King and anyone who thinks rape can not lead to pregnancy is an idiot. shcrane71 Aug 2012 #113
Any pregnant 9-10 year old was raped, cause guys don't get fertile until around 12-14---and that McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #114
By Kingshit's logic, raping him is impossible....Pass him around at Anamosa renko Aug 2012 #115
Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team) tnert Aug 2012 #116
The name Noah ring any bells, Sparky? Gabby Hayes Aug 2012 #117
...because he always kills his victims? yurbud Aug 2012 #119
Steve King has never read the Bible I guess. Kablooie Aug 2012 #120
Keep digging, misogynist republicans. area51 Aug 2012 #121
Bobby Darin.. GTurck Aug 2012 #124
Never heard of it? He sounds like he's a product of incest. He should ask his mother. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #126
This reminds me of the school yard punk that refused to admit he's wrong... Javaman Aug 2012 #127
"Of course, it is a little hard to hear because of the echo." rock Aug 2012 #128
You can't make this shit up! Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2012 #130
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