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Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:44 PM

Aug 2012

Obama has background as constitutional lawyer and swore to uphold US Constitution - which DU agreed that the previous admin blatantly violated in numerous ways. If Obama is true to some of the noble ideals he occasionally speaks about, political realism - I'm sad extreme cynicism has become the norm of realism - may be understandable some way or other. Whether it is acceptable is for each to decide.

And as for respect for the office, Republican persecution of Clinton with impeachment is much more resent example of the US political climate and disregard for the office, or rather international ridicule of the office, as was also the first selection of Bush by politically selected court. Not much left to protect as far the office goes... and Obama chose not to protect constitution as his priority.

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US denies 'wild' Assange claims of witch-hunt [View all] struggle4progress Aug 2012 OP

Yea right lsewpershad Aug 2012 #1

At this point the US and UK are essentially obstructing justice newthinking Aug 2012 #112

Ummmm, hello.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #2

I just happen to have right here a very nice link for you to read: struggle4progress Aug 2012 #6

So the crux of the issue then is.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #10

Actually if we were to extradite him wouldnt he be safe cstanleytech Aug 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author AntiFascist Aug 2012 #41

Assange is not an American Citizen, and so could not be charged with treason. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #56

Thanks for digging that up... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #62

First, Assange would have to be charged and a an international warrant issued for him to be Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #67

Again, I only posted that as an example of the rabid right wing.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #69

We have already crossed a lot of bounderies under previous law newthinking Aug 2012 #114

Perhaps inside U.S. borders, or on the battlefield, but extradition is defined by treaties Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #118

good stuff, thank you n/t Bacchus4.0 Aug 2012 #30

You might want to read some the responses to Green's article HERVEPA Aug 2012 #53

In actual fact, we do not know the story of the UK's cooperation with Bush II on such matters struggle4progress Aug 2012 #57

You completely avoid the crux of what is occurring newthinking Aug 2012 #113

I think "witch hunt" accurately describes it. byeya Aug 2012 #3

By all means it's a 'wild' claim. Autumn Aug 2012 #4

I see you are baaaack...is this the only subject you movonne Aug 2012 #5

Folk often post news stories here in LBN. I'm sorry if you disapprove of the news struggle4progress Aug 2012 #8

Apparently Pharaoh Aug 2012 #16

No, I long ago decided to eschew twitter struggle4progress Aug 2012 #94

Nope, but when they post on a subject, they sure POST ON A SUBJECT Electric Monk Aug 2012 #24

What can I say? The guy got himself into the news: his Swedish girlfriends complained to the police; struggle4progress Aug 2012 #25

That's just a clever choice of words dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #7

Well, but of course. nt. polly7 Aug 2012 #9

Have you watched this? KoKo Aug 2012 #11

I read the transcript some time back and linked to it in a post of mine struggle4progress Aug 2012 #14

Just got the book about Bradley Manning april Aug 2012 #12

You have already said that not believing the government does not mean one is a conspiracy theorist.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #13

I recommend every sober activist should cultivate a certain healthy paranoia, but I also recommend struggle4progress Aug 2012 #27

Isn't this the SAME "U.S." that claimed it didn't torture? triplepoint Aug 2012 #15

Then the US wont have any problem guaranteeing they wont extradite him. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #17

You believe a citizen of country A, currently in country B, facing criminal process in country C, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #18

Sure, when countries C & E are complicit in rendition and torture. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #19

Have you bothered to review relevant Swedish law and the international governing such matters? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #28

See my post 10 above... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #20

You advocate an entirely incoherent view. On the one hand, you believe that Country C is so corrupt struggle4progress Aug 2012 #37

Your argument is way too general... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #40

the main problem with making such a promise Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #43

Again, a blanket promise is much too general and probably not necessary... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #49

And when the US promises to not ask for the death penalty, what then? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #50

Who really has the power to make this promise? AntiFascist Aug 2012 #55

The DOJ will be the prosecuting agency - they can agree to a no death penalty stipulation hack89 Aug 2012 #59

My point is that the DOJ would then have to be involved... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #64

It is in America's best interest to have Assange in a Swedish prison cell hack89 Aug 2012 #66

I didn't know tama Aug 2012 #73

It is obvious that a Assange trial is a no win situation. hack89 Aug 2012 #75

Yep tama Aug 2012 #65

Assange screwed up by fleeing Sweden after being told of his interview hack89 Aug 2012 #68

Well tama Aug 2012 #72

The fact that he ran was confirmed by his lawyer in a British court. hack89 Aug 2012 #76

His lawyer testified tama Aug 2012 #88

He had three messages on the 22nd and the 23rd. hack89 Aug 2012 #89

You have made it clear tama Aug 2012 #90

So it was pure coincidence that Assange left Sweden the day before his arrest? Really? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #91

In previous sentence it was interview tama Aug 2012 #93

He still ran the day before he was to see the prosecutor. Why would he do that? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #95

Because there was a meeting in Britain he wanted to participate? nt tama Aug 2012 #97

Or he knew the interview was the final official step before his arrest. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #101

Was he legally obliged to stay? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #102

He was legally obligated to respect the resulting arrest warrant. hack89 Aug 2012 #103

Naive tama Aug 2012 #104

But very calculating when it comes to keeping out of a Swedish prison cell hack89 Aug 2012 #105

My response: GliderGuider Aug 2012 #106

Meh hack89 Aug 2012 #107

Fuck no, he's not getting a free pass. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #108

Sophocles would have picked a more noble protagonist. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #109

Maybe so, but you write a tragedy with the character you have GliderGuider Aug 2012 #110

In regards to all characters and issues you are correct tama Aug 2012 #111

Is it time for me to fall on my sword???? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #115

I don't see you as Ajax tama Aug 2012 #116

That's not punishment, it's foreplay. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #117

such a promise tho also goes against international law Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #77

In the final word tama Aug 2012 #98

Are these good enough for you? Matilda Aug 2012 #21

Thanks Matilda RogueBandit Aug 2012 #23

Sarah Palin didn't last one full term as governor of Alaska. Who gives a fuck what she says? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #29

If she reflects opinion from the right-wing, it's definitely a matter of concern. Matilda Aug 2012 #32

No, it's not a matter of concern RZM Aug 2012 #42

how many terms has Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell served? frylock Aug 2012 #45

You might want to review the powers granted, by the constitution or by any law struggle4progress Aug 2012 #46

you must be breathless from all that goal post moving frylock Aug 2012 #47

Doesn't matter what they say treestar Aug 2012 #38

Obama administration had and has the power tama Aug 2012 #48

What "political immunity" are you talking about? hack89 Aug 2012 #51

Quick google: tama Aug 2012 #60

I'm sure that Obama is in the dubious position of having to protect the office of the President... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #52

IIRC tama Aug 2012 #58

Sexual misconduct was somewhat unique with Clinton.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #70

Wishfull thinking tama Aug 2012 #74

So far they "refuse" to press charges against Julian either, or ask for his extradition treestar Aug 2012 #61

Obama DOJ has shown tama Aug 2012 #63

That's just a shallow statement treestar Aug 2012 #87

How else do you analyze tama Aug 2012 #92

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #54

Just why would anyone joelz Aug 2012 #22

Deny all you want... The USA Tortures Prisoners and Kills innocent people with drones.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #26

Well, here's the rub: US military spending and US foreign policy are both ripe targets struggle4progress Aug 2012 #33

So your argument... davidthegnome Aug 2012 #36

Well said. Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #39

No. My argument is that it is very fuzzy-headed thinking to believe that one is striking struggle4progress Aug 2012 #96

Did you know that the Stratfor emails revealed that one of the talking points to use against sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #99

Of course he's trying to "deflect".. Cha Aug 2012 #34

LOL, is that the same government that said it doesn't torture? idwiyo Aug 2012 #35

Another... sendero Aug 2012 #44

The US has long since squandered its credibility. Vidar Aug 2012 #71

The time line tells a very different story... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #78

Assange doubts value of Bank of America e-mails (February 11, 2011) struggle4progress Aug 2012 #79

We know what your opinion is. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #80

Here's the timeline on BoA: struggle4progress Aug 2012 #81

The last link of yours is pure spin. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #82

The split at Wikileaks over the handling�of issues associated with the sex-charges was significant struggle4progress Aug 2012 #83

The split with D D-B wasn't about sex. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #84

In December 2010 Assange was threatening to take down a bank or two, and by February 2011 struggle4progress Aug 2012 #85

It also might be informative to find out what Domscheit-Berg was up to as well... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #86

We do know that Wikileaks claimed to have been informed by a former intel agent that Domscheit sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #100

I expect better than BS from the State Department. PufPuf23 Aug 2012 #119