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26. the second amendment must be read in its entiraty

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Tue Mar 27, 2018, 09:51 AM

Mar 2018

and in context. not just the right to bear arms part. and i think what kinds of arms should be speciified.

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Former Supreme Court justice: 'Repeal the Second Amendment' [View all] highplainsdem Mar 2018 OP

Gun nuts always ignore the central clause: "a well regulated militia" lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #1

Maybe get five justices to reevaluate exboyfil Mar 2018 #3

Repealing the 2A would not change anything hack89 Mar 2018 #9

More like wide and deep lobbying by gun nuts Major Nikon Mar 2018 #52

Politician fear one thing and that is voters. hack89 Mar 2018 #54

Sure, the $54 million spent in 2016 made no difference whatsoever Major Nikon Mar 2018 #63

And why can't the gun control lobby raise that kind of cash? hack89 Mar 2018 #68

So first it wasn't about the money, but now it is Major Nikon Mar 2018 #70

It is both. I just wanted to address your concerns hack89 Mar 2018 #76

Its pretty naive to assume money doesnt play a huge part Major Nikon Mar 2018 #85

Money equates to votes. hack89 Mar 2018 #87

Sure, all gun control needs are some Russian billionaires Major Nikon Mar 2018 #88

No. They need to learn from Planned Parenthood hack89 Mar 2018 #92

Gun control isnt a civil rights issue Major Nikon Mar 2018 #93

So people care about gun control but not enough to actually change anything? hack89 Mar 2018 #95

I just think its pretty silly to compare the two Major Nikon Mar 2018 #96

You are just rationalizing failure hack89 Mar 2018 #97

Because we won't take funds from foreign sources DBoon Mar 2018 #84

Neither does Planned Parenthood yet they are able to keep up with the NRA hack89 Mar 2018 #86

...to the point where those words are Grins Mar 2018 #24

Guess what they don't allow into their headquarters? (good guess!) erronis Mar 2018 #61

Which is not a prescriptive clause... malthaussen Mar 2018 #32

People who wish to eliminate gun rights former9thward Mar 2018 #34

Would love to hear your version of what it meant in 1789. It seems pretty clear to me, and Hoyt Mar 2018 #35

I have never seen your version in any of the documents of the time. former9thward Mar 2018 #39

That's what you get for relying on gunner junk. Gun sites are almost always white wing, and quite Hoyt Mar 2018 #43

I see no one doing so... LanternWaste Mar 2018 #74

here, I will help you out: EX500rider Mar 2018 #90

Thank you. But, I'll take Justice Stevens, historians, and legal scholars to gun supporters and Hoyt Mar 2018 #94

Do you agree with his opinion in Texas v Johnson? Marengo Mar 2018 #102

Okay, Ported_Maryjoseph Mar 2018 #113

Well, the issues wouldn't really remain. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #60

You are mixing apples and oranges. former9thward Mar 2018 #66

I believe the Constitution of the U S is controlling and primary to state constitutions, Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #100

The Federal Constitution sets the minum standard hack89 Mar 2018 #107

Repealing the second amendment would not remove the right. X_Digger Mar 2018 #98

I see what you're saying. But what those rights might be would be open to interpretation. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #101

I'm just trying to reverse the 'the BoR grants..' thinking. X_Digger Mar 2018 #103

We have always celebrated the rule of law, not the rule of opinion. lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #106

Yep. Even removed from NRA HQ edifice! The key is those words and Fred Sanders Mar 2018 #57

or really drive them nuts and just repeal the part after the comma. yurbud Mar 2018 #89

Gun nuts either ignore the militia clause or misinterpret it to refer to militias that are Nitram Mar 2018 #108

Yeah, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended to create another rebellion lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #111

The militia clause referred to militias formed to put down rebellions against the government. Nitram Mar 2018 #112

Couldnt agree more. We need to repeal the 2A. It is antiquated and harmful. LonePirate Mar 2018 #2

"Repeal the Second Amendment" is already trending on Twitter: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #4

Wow bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #5

now we have open carry, concealed carry, campus carry - everywhere carry onetexan Mar 2018 #36

Yes it's been deliberately misinterpreted for too long FakeNoose Mar 2018 #6

Repealing 2A is a campaign that everyone can understand. I'm in. Girard442 Mar 2018 #7

"Oh I use it for hunting, um, squirrels!" gay texan Mar 2018 #73

Tweet from Nick Kristof on this: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #8

Oped endorsed by Remington hack89 Mar 2018 #10

As Nick Kristof said in a tweet I quoted above, this could result in a lot more gun sales. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #14

WOW hlthe2b Mar 2018 #11

Exactly! n/t Brainstormy Mar 2018 #12

Yes. Yes. YES. I've been thinking this for decades. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #13

Why not just overturn the Heller decision? Lonestarblue Mar 2018 #15

Great suggestion mainstreetonce Mar 2018 #50

Heller decision - Wikipedia erronis Mar 2018 #64

"What we need is a Supreme Court that will return to the interpretation that stood for 200 years" EX500rider Mar 2018 #110

Whether or not the Second Amendment gets repealed this is a brilliant bargaining strategy. jalan48 Mar 2018 #16

Agree. It makes gun control measures look like the moderate regulations they are. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #17

Yes, it lets them know playing around the edges of the problem is not an option. jalan48 Mar 2018 #22

Exactly DeminPennswoods Mar 2018 #40

Which means you are either not serious about repealing or about negotiating. hack89 Mar 2018 #42

You can be serious about both. Restrictions will be set by our legislative bodies. I assume jalan48 Mar 2018 #47

Gun owners don't fear repeal of the 2A hack89 Mar 2018 #51

Do you think the position put forth by this former Supreme Court Justice is "hard line"? jalan48 Mar 2018 #62

You can reject honest negotiations if you think you have the political power to steamroll gun owners hack89 Mar 2018 #67

Compromise is fine and barring a repeal that's what we will have. jalan48 Mar 2018 #69

"Expectation of capitulation to their desires" - You just broke my irony meter hack89 Mar 2018 #77

So who has been doing the capitulation since the mass shootings began? Gun owners? NRA? jalan48 Mar 2018 #78

Neither side is capitulating. hack89 Mar 2018 #79

I agree and I'm going to educate as many people as I can about Justice Stevens remarks. jalan48 Mar 2018 #81

There need be no negotiations if that is the standard of negotiations Calista241 Mar 2018 #104

I hope Justice Stevens has a high tolerance for insults and death threats. Paladin Mar 2018 #18

Some people become fearless with age. Stevens is apparently one of them. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #19

He will be 98 years old next month BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #23

Well this outta go well vercetti2021 Mar 2018 #20

About that "well-regulated militia?" yallerdawg Mar 2018 #21

Hmm. Laurence Tribe says this is "AWFUL advice." Tweet: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #25

I have noticed that Laurence Tribe is NOT "We the People" nolabels Mar 2018 #80

the second amendment must be read in its entiraty AllaN01Bear Mar 2018 #26

Conservative Washington Times hysteria: "It's SCOTUS, meet Iran." highplainsdem Mar 2018 #27

I'm with Justice Stevens. leanforward Mar 2018 #28

Cameron Kasky tweet, minutes ago: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #29

No restrictions? That being the case, why cant I purchase an M249 at the local Walmart? Marengo Mar 2018 #105

I'd like to see another constitutional convention to redo the electoral college &gerrymandering also AdamGG Mar 2018 #30

I agree the Heller decision has been a disaster. nt HopeAgain Mar 2018 #31

I don't see a need to repeal it... malthaussen Mar 2018 #33

Stevens' dissent in Heller -- joined by three other Justices -- is really worth reading. Hoyt Mar 2018 #37

Chris Hayes agrees with you: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #59

2A might be one way we can be sure the Koch goal of a constitutional convention never happens. ancianita Mar 2018 #38

Democrats are trying their hardest to ensure Republicans stay in control forever Snake Plissken Mar 2018 #41

So it's our fault that a Republican former OliverQ Mar 2018 #45

First of all, Stevens is a Republican, appointed to the SC by a Republican. Second of all, highplainsdem Mar 2018 #46

What a bad idea this is right now. docgee Mar 2018 #44

Bingo. Snake Plissken Mar 2018 #48

This is something one would expect the Russian Troll Factory to exploit. Marcuse Mar 2018 #55

At the least, a rewrite. Loge23 Mar 2018 #49

Response to Stevens from NRA TV: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #53

Gun nuts are going crazy over this. OliverQ Mar 2018 #58

Those gun nuts were already crazy, and anyone that moronic wouldn't vote for Dems anyway. highplainsdem Mar 2018 #65

I'm just hoping people don't freak out and stop supporting Dems in mid-terms OliverQ Mar 2018 #71

Joy Reid tweet about this: highplainsdem Mar 2018 #56

repeal the 2nd pamdb Mar 2018 #72

I've said before and I'll say it again grumpyduck Mar 2018 #75

I hope there are no "unintended consequences" of pushing this. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #82

at the very least it needs to be rewritten so gun humping idiots can understand Skittles Mar 2018 #83

Here's all it would take: EX500rider Mar 2018 #91

I agree floWteiuQ Mar 2018 #99

He is doing what most elected Democrats don't: yurbud Mar 2018 #109