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Newsjock

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Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:31 PM Aug 2012

Judge rules that poker isn’t gambling under federal law [View all]

Source: Associated Press

A federal judge ruled Tuesday that poker is more a game of skill than chance and cannot be prosecuted under a law created to stop organized crime families from making millions of dollars from gambling.

The decision by Judge Jack Weinstein in Brooklyn was embraced by advocates of card games pushing to legalize Internet poker in the United States. The judge relied extensively on the findings of a defense expert who analyzed online poker games.

The ruling tossed out a jury's July conviction of a man charged with conspiring to operate an illegal underground poker club, a business featuring Texas Hold'em games run in a warehouse where he also sold electric bicycles. There were no allegations in the case that organized crime was involved or that anything such as money laundering or loansharking occurred.

... Attorney Tom Goldstein, who made arguments before Weinstein on behalf of the Poker Players Alliance, called the decision a validation for poker players, the tens of millions of people who play the game, and believe they are not gambling, taking a chance, but exercising skill in playing against each other.

Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/aug/21/judge-rules-poker-isnt-gambling-under-federal-law/

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what? DJFrey Aug 2012 #1
Actually makes sense kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #5
How do you define gambling? lunatica Aug 2012 #16
I say those definitions don't fit poker wysimdnwyg Aug 2012 #20
Blackjack is also a game of skill William Seger Aug 2012 #18
In poker, you're not playing the cards. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #13
How does gambling not fit poker? lunatica Aug 2012 #17
Dictionary definition and legal definition are not always the same thing. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #27
Which you then fold. Duh. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #25
Poker is about betting. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #31
Playing ANY card games should not be illegal. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #2
Far-reaching implications oberliner Aug 2012 #3
One can hope. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #24
I've got mixed feelings oberliner Aug 2012 #33
Still a damn FELONY in Washington State. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #28
That's crazy oberliner Aug 2012 #32
About frigging time someone figured that out. OnlinePoker Aug 2012 #4
The "free" bit is usually read as "free to impose a puritanical way of life on others." harmonicon Aug 2012 #11
"Free" meaning "you are free to make 1% casino corporations rich." closeupready Aug 2012 #23
If he hadnt ruled that way the NYSE would have to be closed DJ13 Aug 2012 #6
Good ruling. Poker is great highly intellectual game if skill. Lucky Luciano Aug 2012 #7
this judge is going rogue in his old age Mosby Aug 2012 #8
Thanks for your post. I didn't know that about Judge Weinstein... Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #12
Poker is not gambling but defacto7 Aug 2012 #9
You can do online poker against human opponents. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #14
Reminds me of the W.C. Fields quote TrogL Aug 2012 #10
Yes it is gambling... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #15
Excellent news. n/t JTFrog Aug 2012 #19
Pinball didn't used to have flippers. They were added purely to turn it from a game of chance to... Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #21
Ditto the elimination of the "free game" brooklynite Aug 2012 #34
All gambling requires some level of skill. Javaman Aug 2012 #22
Slot machines? GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #29
Modern slots no, but the old ones (non-electronic) yes. nt Javaman Aug 2012 #30
Pulling a lever on the side of the machine takes skill? GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #35
The old non-electronic machines weren't based on Algorithms as they are today. Javaman Aug 2012 #37
Some of gambling requires no skill. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #36
I'm all in on this one Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #26
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