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wysimdnwyg

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20. I say those definitions don't fit poker
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

Yes, there is some overlap, but when considered over a statistically significant time period (that period will vary greatly depending on the difference in skill level of the players), the outcome of poker is mostly due to skill.

Consider not the obvious hands (I have AA, you have KK, in which case I win 80% of the time, or I have AA and you have 72, in which case you fold 99% of the time), but the middle of the road hands. If you have JT of spades and the flop is AT3 with two spades, what do you do? Do you bet out? Do you check to see if I bet (implying I have an ace)? If I DO bet, do you call, hoping to catch your flush? How do you know I have an ace? What are the odds I have an ace? What are the odds you'll hit your flush? What if the next card is a face card, making it possible I have a straight? All of these questions and many more are considered by a skilled poker player, while a less skilled player just sees a paired ten and a flush draw.

Put me against a player with a low skill level, and I will take his money most of the time. While the outcome of this hand, or even this session, is uncertain, the outcome over the long haul is much more certain. It's how I've been able to get my friends to pay for my trips to casinos for years, and lately I've used their money (that I won playing poker) to buy a set of chips and a table for my new house.


So yes, you could say there is some uncertainty, you are playing for stakes (although I disagree with the "game of chance" bit), there certainly is some risk, and many people engage in reckless or hazardous behavior while playing (see that 1% of the time you play 72 against my AA). But none of those really apply when considering poker over a long period of time. I know with 100% certainty that I am better than a guy with whom I play poker (call him "Dean&quot . While Dean may win one evening, I know I will take his money more often than not.

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what? DJFrey Aug 2012 #1
Actually makes sense kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #5
How do you define gambling? lunatica Aug 2012 #16
I say those definitions don't fit poker wysimdnwyg Aug 2012 #20
Blackjack is also a game of skill William Seger Aug 2012 #18
In poker, you're not playing the cards. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #13
How does gambling not fit poker? lunatica Aug 2012 #17
Dictionary definition and legal definition are not always the same thing. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #27
Which you then fold. Duh. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #25
Poker is about betting. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #31
Playing ANY card games should not be illegal. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #2
Far-reaching implications oberliner Aug 2012 #3
One can hope. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #24
I've got mixed feelings oberliner Aug 2012 #33
Still a damn FELONY in Washington State. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #28
That's crazy oberliner Aug 2012 #32
About frigging time someone figured that out. OnlinePoker Aug 2012 #4
The "free" bit is usually read as "free to impose a puritanical way of life on others." harmonicon Aug 2012 #11
"Free" meaning "you are free to make 1% casino corporations rich." closeupready Aug 2012 #23
If he hadnt ruled that way the NYSE would have to be closed DJ13 Aug 2012 #6
Good ruling. Poker is great highly intellectual game if skill. Lucky Luciano Aug 2012 #7
this judge is going rogue in his old age Mosby Aug 2012 #8
Thanks for your post. I didn't know that about Judge Weinstein... Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #12
Poker is not gambling but defacto7 Aug 2012 #9
You can do online poker against human opponents. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #14
Reminds me of the W.C. Fields quote TrogL Aug 2012 #10
Yes it is gambling... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #15
Excellent news. n/t JTFrog Aug 2012 #19
Pinball didn't used to have flippers. They were added purely to turn it from a game of chance to... Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #21
Ditto the elimination of the "free game" brooklynite Aug 2012 #34
All gambling requires some level of skill. Javaman Aug 2012 #22
Slot machines? GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #29
Modern slots no, but the old ones (non-electronic) yes. nt Javaman Aug 2012 #30
Pulling a lever on the side of the machine takes skill? GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #35
The old non-electronic machines weren't based on Algorithms as they are today. Javaman Aug 2012 #37
Some of gambling requires no skill. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #36
I'm all in on this one Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #26
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