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Sophia4

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4. Either Manafort committed crimes or he did not.

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:04 PM

May 2018

What difference does it make whether the Justice Department or Mueller prosecutes the crimes?

If Manafort committed the crimes, the crimes involved connections and developing connections with Ukraine under the Russians and the Russians and then he worked on the Trump campaign, what difference does it make?

It does not make sense to me that the judge is trying to decide how Mueller should deal with the witnesses to the Trump campaign and Russia when Mueller is charged with determining just what the links if any are between Russia and Trump.

What is the judge's mandate in a case like this -- to define the parameters of the work of the prosecutors??

So a perpetrator robbed a bank and then raped a woman. Is the prosecutor only permitted to prosecute one of those crimes?

I don't understand this. Is the judge suggesting that if Mueller discovers a crime while investigating Trump and Russia, he is supposed to just ignore the crime if it isn't directly and clearly related to his Russia investigation? That's just strange.

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Judge Grills Mueller Team On Relevance Of Manafort Case To Russia Probe [View all] DonViejo May 2018 OP

All I want to know is who is the judge. Appointed by who. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #1

Shit ... this doesn't sound good ... who appointed this judge? (nt) mr_lebowski May 2018 #2

Reagan angrychair May 2018 #5

Judges often ask "pointed questions" of all parties...I would not take too much away from this. Fred Sanders May 2018 #13

Gee... jberryhill May 2018 #14

Well said. I read a study recently indicating very little political bias by federally appointed Fred Sanders May 2018 #17

I suppose the Supreme Court appointing Bush president wasn't political. Yeah. olegramps May 2018 #21

The Supreme Court is a different kettle of fish jberryhill May 2018 #40

When is justice to use different scales to measure the validity of cases? olegramps May 2018 #51

Oh, okay, the federal courts are rigged jberryhill May 2018 #53

I am not oblivious to the fact that they are rigged and it does make a difference. I care! olegramps May 2018 #60

Some media are reporting this with sensational janx May 2018 #22

It's good for the prosecution to get grilled jberryhill May 2018 #46

I know that the judge is doing what the judge needs to do janx May 2018 #49

Agree. djg21 May 2018 #26

+1 meadowlander May 2018 #44

Thanks! elleng May 2018 #16

People who do that... jberryhill May 2018 #41

Exactly. elleng May 2018 #48

How simple minded is this judge? quartz007 May 2018 #3

Either Manafort committed crimes or he did not. Sophia4 May 2018 #4

It is not strange. former9thward May 2018 #35

We shall see. Sophia4 May 2018 #58

There's a little bit of "show me the man and I'll find the crime" MosheFeingold May 2018 #43

Here is a possible scenario: The Trump campaign was advised early on by Papdapouolous Sophia4 May 2018 #56

Possibly, Ellis is thinking about Kennedy retirement rumors blondebanshee May 2018 #6

The level of ignorance of how courts work is really depressing jberryhill May 2018 #7

K & R. Thanks for that truth and insight. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #9

a/k/a doing the job jberryhill May 2018 #11

Jberry, what do you make of this reaction in the press? KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #50

I think they have to sell soap jberryhill May 2018 #52

Thanks, Jberry - that makes sense. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #54

Here is what is alleged to be a transcript of the proceedings: Kotya May 2018 #61

Ah good. I'll have a look at that. jberryhill May 2018 #63

There's a thread with the full transcript. Kotya May 2018 #64

My thoughts exactly lisa58 May 2018 #10

Exactly onenote May 2018 #12

I am sorry to further depress you, but can you clarify a couple of things? elias7 May 2018 #19

The purpose of a criminal indictment is to prosecute an accused criminal of the crimes charged jberryhill May 2018 #31

Thanks elias7 May 2018 #59

This sounds like a bit more than a judge doing due diligence. MGKrebs May 2018 #23

One person on this board doesn't what anyone to be allow to question the judge's actions. olegramps May 2018 #62

Doing the prosecution a favorable turn, perhaps. sprinkleeninow May 2018 #39

No, just the court doing its job jberryhill May 2018 #47

What I meant was that it 'sounds' as if the judge is being biased sprinkleeninow May 2018 #57

Correct n/t MosheFeingold May 2018 #45

HTF, is Manafort not related to Russian interference????? Something doesn't smell right. blondebanshee May 2018 #8

Getting the arguments on the record in court is the best way to secure reliable prosecutions jberryhill May 2018 #33

Do not despair: fleur-de-lisa May 2018 #15

Thank you for posting some hope, but his comments have me concerned: blondebanshee May 2018 #18

They concern me as well n/t dajoki May 2018 #20

I understand. Please see this post: fleur-de-lisa May 2018 #25

Thank you fleur-de-lisa! blondebanshee May 2018 #30

Many judges are harder on the sides that they are going to rule for Gothmog May 2018 #27

And if you think about it, that's the way it is supposed to be jberryhill May 2018 #32

Why can't we ever catch a break? Now we have judges siding with the Trump team. OliverQ May 2018 #24

I like it when judges do their jobs. I don't want any of these criminals to get off on appeal. WhoWoodaKnew May 2018 #28

Manafort's involvement in Ukraine was one of the reasons the Russians got him involved in the Trump MaryMagdaline May 2018 #29

Yes, because at that time the President of Ukraine was Friend of Russia, Viktor Yanukovych. Nitram May 2018 #36

Indeed, the judge covered that jberryhill May 2018 #65

And. Bingo! We have a guaranteed Trump nominee for the Supreme Court! Nitram May 2018 #34

Ahhh, no. former9thward May 2018 #37

That wouldn't stop Trump or his flunkies in Congress. It's all about loyalty. Nitram May 2018 #38

Yes it would stop Trump or any other president. former9thward May 2018 #42

No one like Trump was ever president before. Nitram May 2018 #55