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karynnj

(61,149 posts)
8. I agree that it is not helpful, but it may be that the moderates needed to be seen reacting
Wed May 9, 2018, 10:39 AM
May 2018

negatively to this betrayal of an agreement that the hardliners pushed Rouhan NOT to accept because the US could not be trusted. (Consider the childhood rhyme - sticks and stones will hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me) Sadly, the facts are that even our Secretaries of State and Defense admit that Iran IS complying. Trump has made the US be the country NOT in compliance once he reinstates the sanctions.

Throughout the negotiations, both Zarif and Kerry had to contend with their own "hardliners" who for different reasons did NOT want the negotiations to succeed. In fact, the announcement of the framework in spring 2015, which surprised most by being a stronger, more comprehensive deal than anyone had hoped for, was done because the US Congress was on the verge of voting in more sanctions (at the urging of AIPAC), which would have scuttled the deal. The effort against success even included Netanyahu speaking against a deal before Congress. Zarif was repeatedly attacked by Iran's hard liners including for taking a walk with John Kerry in the courtyard of where negotiations were held.

At this point, Rouhani has said they will work with the other countries to determine if the deal can hold without the US - while giving Iran sanctions relief. If that happens, Iran - unlike the US - will keep their word on the deal that the UN security council unanimously approved ... and the US won't. If it doesn't, the fear is that Rouhani will lose power to the hardliners in Iran. Though Bolton and Netanyahu seem to want regime change, tell me ONE country where outside pushed regime change led to better government. If the neocons get their war, it will be a disaster bigger than the Iraq war.

The really stupid thing is that the deal WAS keeping Iran from pursuing a nuclear bomb and it made war far less likely. It is hard to believe that we have actually given Iran, a supporter of terrorism, the high ground here.

We could have had European backing on working against Iran's ballistic weapons. We should have put pressure on Saudi Arabia and UAE to not spike the effort to get a ceasefire and peace plan in Yemen. The Trump administration also was absent in any diplomatic effort on Syria.

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While I share the sentiments of the last sentence, I would also extend that to the person who still_one May 2018 #1
Please.. someone tell Iran... FarPoint May 2018 #2
I guess Iran is now ready to negotiate a better deal with trump. Not. What hubris notdarkyet May 2018 #3
I don't blame them heaven05 May 2018 #4
These morons played right into donnie's hands leftynyc May 2018 #5
I agree that it is not helpful, but it may be that the moderates needed to be seen reacting karynnj May 2018 #8
That those are the "moderates" actually only makes it worse leftynyc May 2018 #10
I agree it does not help them, but our action was by far worse than their words and karynnj May 2018 #12
I don't blame bibi leftynyc May 2018 #14
I do blame Bibi karynnj May 2018 #15
Excellent point. Netanyahu wants Iran isolated and economically crippled by sanctions. StevieM May 2018 #17
Israel is directly threatened daily by Iran Mosby May 2018 #18
The issue is whether to keep our other complaints with Iran separate from the nuclear issue. StevieM May 2018 #22
When I say I don't blame bibi leftynyc May 2018 #20
In the 2017 election Rouhani defeated Ebrahim Raisi, the right-wing candidate. StevieM May 2018 #16
you are aware that the mullahs pick the candidates? Mosby May 2018 #19
I do get that, and I referred to the Assembly of Experts and Guardian Council in my post. StevieM May 2018 #21
Just a sidebar note: robbob May 2018 #6
I don't think translation leftynyc May 2018 #11
Thanks karynnj May 2018 #13
note to north korea...the word of the us means nothing dembotoz May 2018 #7
where do they get the flags from? Javaman May 2018 #9
White paper, red and blue crayons. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2018 #23
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