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Gothmog

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30. No, Trump can't pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jun 2018

From Prof. Tribe and others https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-trump-cant-pardon-himself-the-constitution-tells-us-so/2017/07/21/f3445d74-6e49-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.a066d8b411f4

Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.

The Justice Department was right that guidance could be found in the enduring principles that no one can be both the judge and the defendant in the same matter, and that no one is above the law.

The Constitution specifically bars the president from using the pardon power to prevent his own impeachment and removal. It adds that any official removed through impeachment remains fully subject to criminal prosecution. That provision would make no sense if the president could pardon himself.

The pardon provision of the Constitution is there to enable the president to act essentially in the role of a judge of another person’s criminal case, and to intervene on behalf of the defendant when the president determines that would be equitable. For example, the president might believe the courts made the wrong decision about someone’s guilt or about sentencing; President Barack Obama felt this way about excessive sentences for low-level drug offenses. Or the president might be impressed by the defendant’s subsequent conduct and, using powers far exceeding those of a parole board, might issue a pardon or commutation of sentence.....

President Trump thinks he can do a lot of things just because he is president. He says that the president can act as if he has no conflicts of interest. He says that he can fire the FBI director for any reason he wants (and he admitted to the most outrageous of reasons in interviews and in discussion with the Russian ambassador). In one sense, Trump is right — he can do all of these things, although there will be legal repercussions if he does. Using official powers for corrupt purposes — such as impeding or obstructing an investigation — can constitute a crime.

But there is one thing we know that Trump cannot do — without being a first in all of human history. He cannot pardon himself.

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The madness of King Don Botany Jun 2018 #1
He wouldn't know Corgigal Jun 2018 #10
Rudy Giuliani and Jay Sekulow are hardly legal scholars Botany Jun 2018 #22
No, Trump can't pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so. Gothmog Jun 2018 #30
Thanks for posting! Botany Jun 2018 #38
thank you for the reference work... :) !!!! Civic Justice Jun 2018 #39
Let him go on thinking he can FakeNoose Jun 2018 #45
There's junk on teevee bc of the sunmertime programming, sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #51
Hey, Mr Trump .... VWolf Jun 2018 #2
What kind of country would this be ... CatMor Jun 2018 #3
Don't come any closer! I'll do it! You know I will! Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #4
And what is his view on impeachment? C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #5
"except in Cases of Impeachment." Snellius Jun 2018 #17
Not of a state indicts him Americanno Jun 2018 #6
Founders Prophetically Challenged relogic Jun 2018 #7
The Founders' biggest mistake... Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #14
That, and we weren't nearly hard enough on the south after the Civil War 47of74 Jun 2018 #19
Its such a shame.... Civic Justice Jun 2018 #40
Thus it is.. relogic Jun 2018 #20
Because they knew it was already well established legal principle. bench scientist Jun 2018 #50
i.e.: "I have the ABSOLUTE right to do whatever I want!" Snellius Jun 2018 #8
Recall Revelations or such. relogic Jun 2018 #15
"If I am crucified, I will rise from the dead" Snellius Jun 2018 #21
He ain't... relogic Jun 2018 #24
The most significant part of this is the silence of the republicans in Congress. still_one Jun 2018 #9
oh without a doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone Jun 2018 #12
Their silence is tantamount to embracing the obstruction, and unConstitutional powers that the still_one Jun 2018 #16
Exactly. Could you imagine if Obama had said this? nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #47
By this logic he can seize private property too bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #11
Come on Mueller, arrest him already IronLionZion Jun 2018 #13
Oh my. TommyCelt Jun 2018 #18
Yes, he has been pardoning himself.. DownFromTheMountain Jun 2018 #23
He wants to pardon himself for crimes that put him in office... and gave him pardon power? tinrobot Jun 2018 #25
That must terrify even a portion of his nut-job base. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #26
pardon is the admission of guilt to the underlying conviction and then congress would have to do its beachbum bob Jun 2018 #27
1974 DOJ opinion says otherwise Gothmog Jun 2018 #28
That's what my five-year-old says too C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #29
His dubious legal scholars claim he can't be indicted, so it would have to be a bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #31
oaf of office bringthePaine Jun 2018 #32
This is all a planned activity to distract from the issues. GOP is disgusting. walkingman Jun 2018 #33
Sounds like OJ Simpson awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #34
The Voice of The Guilty Speaks.... !!!! Civic Justice Jun 2018 #35
I thought one of the reasons for our Revolution Golden Raisin Jun 2018 #36
"Absolute right" PatSeg Jun 2018 #37
that's OK. he can say the moon is made out of cheese too. shanny Jun 2018 #41
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS SHIT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO EAT? Paladin Jun 2018 #42
It sounds like a line from a card-shark poker game bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #43
Let's give him the opportunity. truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #44
If Obama had said this, the GOP would move to impeach, declaring him an unfit tyrant. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #46
Absolutely he has the power Blue Owl Jun 2018 #48
Hey sexual predator......................... turbinetree Jun 2018 #49
Khizr Khan was correct about trump Gothmog Jun 2018 #52
Harking back to Nixon Marthe48 Jun 2018 #53
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