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182. Well u live in ur strange world and I will live in mine

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House Dems seethe over superdelegates plan [View all] brooklynite Jun 2018 OP

The superdelegates are there to usurp the will of the electorate. They should be eliminated. CentralMass Jun 2018 #1

+1 Luciferous Jun 2018 #2

+2 one person one vote n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #4

Then we can get rid of caucuses Codeine Jun 2018 #28

I would accept all of that if it made the results more democratic! LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #50

Caucuses are not democratic and are easy to game Gothmog Jun 2018 #84

The DNC doesn't have the power to revamp the system completely. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #103

Those are separate issues, but the Electoral College is at least as important. yurbud Jun 2018 #149

So you want to punish the Congressional Black Caucus? Gothmog Jun 2018 #83

Yes, someday, "I can feel a change a coming" saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #128

Yes. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #6

OMG sheshe2 Jun 2018 #39

LOL Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #76

Are you going to call the CBC corrupt again? Gothmog Jun 2018 #85

I worry that if THIS site is not willing to call out Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #123

The "will of the electorate" put Trump on the general election ballot jmowreader Jun 2018 #13

Yes. None of this bs of non-Dems voting in our primaries... brush Jun 2018 #27

Open caucuses like we have in Idaho are the worst jmowreader Jun 2018 #30

that kinda happened at the dem caucus here... samnsara Jun 2018 #127

Many women I know in Washington were afraid to go to caucuses if they supported Hillary. LisaM Jun 2018 #129

That's one thing 2naSalit Jun 2018 #141

Hear hear! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #67

I concur. pecosbob Jun 2018 #16

+1,000,000!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #18

Bernie Sanders is a superdelagate. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #42

Where is the response to your question, did I miss it? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #77

Nah. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #111

I don't think I am saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #134

The Congressional Black caucus vehemently opposes eliminating the superdelegates. pnwmom Jun 2018 #43

I stand with the CBC Gothmog Jun 2018 #86

No, it's not zipplewrath Jun 2018 #110

I stand with the CBC and think that they are a far more important part of the party Gothmog Jun 2018 #113

It's just that they have no reason zipplewrath Jun 2018 #120

I strongly disagree with your attempt at analysis Gothmog Jun 2018 #125

It's their analysis zipplewrath Jun 2018 #147

No it is not-do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Jun 2018 #162

And they have all kinds of votes zipplewrath Jun 2018 #164

These are valuable leaders of our party Gothmog Jun 2018 #165

But they weren't elected for the convention zipplewrath Jun 2018 #168

The selection process for delegates is almost random. joshcryer Jun 2018 #170

But they'd be constrained zipplewrath Jun 2018 #172

Why does bernie hate the CBC so much? Gothmog Jun 2018 #175

Not sure that he does zipplewrath Jun 2018 #178

And yet I was at the national convention when Sanders delegates booed John Lewis Gothmog Jun 2018 #181

And mine zipplewrath Jun 2018 #188

I think the reason is that they're afraid they'll lose their influence. joshcryer Jun 2018 #169

Sorta zipplewrath Jun 2018 #171

As long as they don't change the outcome I think they are fine. joshcryer Jun 2018 #173

It's their influence prior zipplewrath Jun 2018 #174

The reality is this is just a big F you to the CBC. joshcryer Jun 2018 #176

Not in the real world-superdelegates have never gone against popular vote winner Gothmog Jun 2018 #82

"usurp the will of the electorate. They should be eliminated." Eko Jun 2018 #140

Without question! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #156

Agree a million per cent. Every vote should be equal. Vinca Jun 2018 #157

Why Superdelegates? DownriverDem Jun 2018 #177

Stuper-delegates Plucketeer Jun 2018 #3

In the era of tRump, that shouldn't even marybourg Jun 2018 #14

Yessss!! Exacta-mundo!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #19

Have super-delegates ever changed the Codeine Jun 2018 #26

No, they haven't rpannier Jun 2018 #49

Exactly. But point that out and you get the remarks MarcA Jun 2018 #54

Then Why have them. bahrbearian Jun 2018 #66

So that elected officials like members of the CBC are delegates Gothmog Jun 2018 #96

No, super delegates have never gone against the winner of the popular vote Gothmog Jun 2018 #87

No superdelegates. Sneederbunk Jun 2018 #5

Democrats: the electoral college sucks! Now, let's pick our superdelegates Takket Jun 2018 #7

Sums it up nicely... thought Democrats stood for democracy. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #21

The electoral college is separate from the Democratic Party rules Gothmog Jun 2018 #98

Trying to explain this is like herding cats! LeftInTX Jun 2018 #118

The CBC includes leaders like Congresspersons Lewis, Waters, Cummings. and Clydburn Gothmog Jun 2018 #126

The ship has sailed, but I am totally the opposite marylandblue Jun 2018 #8

Super Delegates do NOT determine our nominee, but it acts as a safety value to avoid convention still_one Jun 2018 #11

The idea was they could swing the outcome if the party didn't like the primary outcome marylandblue Jun 2018 #15

It isn't happening because the party would be even more divided still_one Jun 2018 #17

It isn't happening because few people agree with the premise marylandblue Jun 2018 #22

For the reason I just stated still_one Jun 2018 #25

I don't think that's why marylandblue Jun 2018 #37

Super delegates will vote in the best interest of the party including down ballot races Gothmog Jun 2018 #88

Also to avoid trump-like candidates. Until we get rid of open... brush Jun 2018 #29

As far as I am concerned brush that would have to come first before the elimination of SD still_one Jun 2018 #31

Yes, those two conditions would have to be agreed upon before... brush Jun 2018 #36

It sounds like the makings of a good compromise 4now Jun 2018 #9

Democratic version of Trump? Never happen. KPN Jun 2018 #44

If you really want to eliminate SD because you believe in one person one vote, then whoever gets the still_one Jun 2018 #10

"Let the people choooooooose!" Codeine Jun 2018 #32

Most superdelegates are elected officials and party leaders Gothmog Jun 2018 #90

I absolutely agree. nt Codeine Jun 2018 #97

I worked to get Juanita Jean and her husband elected as delegates in 2012 Gothmog Jun 2018 #100

No, but pledged SDs can and have created a perception KPN Jun 2018 #46

I would inclined to get rid of super delegates if they got rid of open primaries. Democrats should still_one Jun 2018 #63

But that's a State elections call not a Party call, is it not? KPN Jun 2018 #73

Clinton would have had a greater margin if we had closed primaries and eliminated caucuses Gothmog Jun 2018 #138

Like the Vermont Democratic establishment does when they ehrnst Jun 2018 #68

Do you have data that show SDs effect turnout and votes? ehrnst Jun 2018 #69

Answer my questions first. KPN Jun 2018 #74

What questions did you ask me? ehrnst Jun 2018 #75

Yeah but I FEEL this or I THINK that therefore you MUST make me comfortable Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #78

Yes, the feels here, no matter how strong, are no substitute for facts. (tn) ehrnst Jun 2018 #112

See my post 48 above. KPN Jun 2018 #94

Fervent but failed attempt at deflection. Can't provide any backup for your claims... ehrnst Jun 2018 #109

Lol. Of course it's an opinion. My opinion. KPN Jun 2018 #122

And now you backpedal... Let's review: ehrnst Jun 2018 #146

I was a delegate to the national convention and I have read DNC rules on voting Gothmog Jun 2018 #91

There is no such thing as pledged super delegates Gothmog Jun 2018 #137

You are right. I stand corrected. I confused the term with KPN Jun 2018 #144

Normally, campaigns carefully vet their delegates Gothmog Jun 2018 #183

Yes I would support that! Nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #52

I will be calling the DNC tomorrow - NO Super Delegates!! Equinox Moon Jun 2018 #12

Fine, I will go with that as long as they eliminate Open primaries and the caucuses still_one Jun 2018 #20

Wonder why nobody agrees with you when you say this. weird Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #79

I suspect a certain percentage feel that way because they have no desire to be part of the still_one Jun 2018 #115

This propaganda campaign that perfection can be demanded Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #116

I sure do understand what you are saying Eliot. That some suddenly believe SD are the most vital still_one Jun 2018 #117

EXACTLY...of course, ANYTHING to divide the party. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #119

Which race did the superdelegates actually change? Codeine Jun 2018 #33

Ok, but no open primaries or caucuses. Just Dems voting for... brush Jun 2018 #34

I think the caucus is a bigger problem than super delegates MattP Jun 2018 #23

As long as we have caucuses, we need super delegates GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #24

And don't forget the elimination of open primaries where... brush Jun 2018 #35

Right there with you on that. GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #38

Exactly! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2018 #41

I would not link the two issues yurbud Jun 2018 #148

It seems as if too many commenters BlueMTexpat Jun 2018 #40

Ummm ... can you say with certainty that KPN Jun 2018 #48

Even in 1972 Kenneth Almquist Jun 2018 #56

Thanks for your very BlueMTexpat Jun 2018 #62

Eliminate super delegates and the caucus system Schedule Jun 2018 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #47

In your scenario... brooklynite Jun 2018 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #89

Who would pay for this nationwide primary? Gothmog Jun 2018 #93

Have you ever worked in a campaign or for a party in the real world? Gothmog Jun 2018 #92

In my state the primary vote went one way and all the super delegates pledged the other dembotoz Jun 2018 #51

What state was that? radical noodle Jun 2018 #57

Wisconsin dembotoz Jun 2018 #64

Most of your states super delegates were members of Congress or your Democratic senator Gothmog Jun 2018 #99

elected officials, party muckity mucks, dnc reps dembotoz Jun 2018 #114

All of whom were elected either by voters or the leaders of the party Gothmog Jun 2018 #131

And they ignored the primary..let's just have the smoke filled rooms dembotoz Jun 2018 #143

Wisconsin had an open primary where non-democrats supported sanders Gothmog Jun 2018 #151

gee i think folks have a right to vote...guess we disagree dembotoz Jun 2018 #154

Democrats should be selecting the Democratic nominee Gothmog Jun 2018 #155

hey nothing says join the dems more than you are not worthy to vote for your candidate dembotoz Jun 2018 #163

I and others are also involved in bringing new voters to the party Gothmog Jun 2018 #166

So being a lawyer makes u right...? best giggles of the day dembotoz Jun 2018 #179

Again, please try to bring in more diverse voters Gothmog Jun 2018 #180

Well u live in ur strange world and I will live in mine dembotoz Jun 2018 #182

The Texas Democratic Party used to believe that it could win with white voters Gothmog Jun 2018 #184

don't know where you are getting your coffee but i see exactly the opposite. maybe u get too much dembotoz Jun 2018 #185

Your posts continue to amuse me Gothmog Jun 2018 #186

U did so well in16.. dembotoz Jun 2018 #189

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2018 #190

Sorry closed primary is bullshit dembotoz Jun 2018 #191

Economist--Berned out Gothmog Jun 2018 #192

And the continuous DNC rep for sleaze makes me sad dembotoz Jun 2018 #193

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Jun 2018 #194

i dunno do you? so when do your purity oaths start dembotoz Jun 2018 #195

From Hillary Clinton Gothmog Jun 2018 #196

So? dembotoz Jun 2018 #197

Do you understand how the process really works? Gothmog Jun 2018 #95

I've heard other stories like this radical noodle Jun 2018 #102

I was at that breakfast Gothmog Jun 2018 #104

They acted abominably radical noodle Jun 2018 #108

they got screwed dembotoz Jun 2018 #121

Who? The sanders delegates? Gothmog Jun 2018 #124

In my state they got fucked. Thanks super delegates dembotoz Jun 2018 #132

So you are mad at Mark Pocan, Ron Kind, Gwen Moore and Tammy Baldwin Gothmog Jun 2018 #135

Gwen Moore I understand, believe her CD was the ONLY ONE that hrc carried. I forgive the others dembotoz Jun 2018 #142

Wisconsin had a open primary where non-democrats voted Gothmog Jun 2018 #152

Yes!!! This is a great change!!!! LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #53

No! Primaries should not be open radical noodle Jun 2018 #58

Democrats can mess with Republicans too LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #59

Independents aren't going to vote for radical noodle Jun 2018 #61

No. Democrats only in a Democrat primary. Codeine Jun 2018 #70

NO open primaries!! No ratfuckers!!! SunSeeker Jun 2018 #106

. stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #55

I've had to followthis argument since 1968 tirebiter Jun 2018 #60

Random number generator, diispense with elections lostnfound Jun 2018 #65

The minute I saw the word 'seethe' I knew this was a Politico hit piece on the Democrats. FSogol Jun 2018 #71

My reaction as well, certain folks are DETERMINED to keep GOP in power Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #80

This proposal is a good way of attacking the CBC Gothmog Jun 2018 #133

Congressional Black Caucus: Keep superdelegate system in place Gothmog Jun 2018 #81

It looks like there is still only one murielm99 Jun 2018 #101

We need the Congressional Black Caucus far more than we need Our Revolution Gothmog Jun 2018 #105

Hell yes. nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #107

I respect the leadership of persons like John Lewis and Maxine Waters. Gothmog Jun 2018 #130

superdelegates are a terrible idea and un-democratic rollin74 Jun 2018 #136

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus are corrupt? Gothmog Jun 2018 #139

It is time to end the superdelegate system Devil Child Jun 2018 #145

Is the DNC or any centrist Dem group working to end the electoral college? yurbud Jun 2018 #150

The two issues are not related but so far only blue states have adopted National Popular Vote plan Gothmog Jun 2018 #153

Anyone who wants open primaries wants NON-Democrats to decide who the Democratic nominee is, and still_one Jun 2018 #158

Yes, it's a giant red flag for hostile, subversive intent. Hortensis Jun 2018 #159

Does anyone here want to be a Delegate to the next Convention? Jose Garcia Jun 2018 #160

I'm a progressive, but unless I'm missing something, Perez idea is almost as good as yurbud Jun 2018 #161

No, not quite zipplewrath Jun 2018 #167

E-mail from the former chair of California Democratic Party gives me hope Gothmog Jun 2018 #187

+1 ucrdem Jun 2018 #198