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13. The population of California is represented by two (2) Senators.

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:42 PM

Jun 2018

So is the population of Wyoming.

If there are three states rather than one, that population will be represented by six (6) Senators.

Doubtless at least one of them would be a Republican.

But the net Democratic gain in a U.S. Senate of 106 members could be substantial.

If we could also get Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, the U.S. Senate could begin cleaning up the judicial system.

It's an interesting scenario.

speculatively,
Bright

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Initiative to break California into 3 states to go on November ballot [View all] EricMaundry Jun 2018 OP

Hmmmm wryter2000 Jun 2018 #1

Great chance to pick up 4 Democratic Senators. rgbecker Jun 2018 #28

The State won't always be blue wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #32

Do you live here? Hekate Jun 2018 #33

One of them might be quite red treestar Jun 2018 #39

Not all of CA is blue. RandySF Jun 2018 #76

GOP is throwing everything out there to get base to show itsrobert Jun 2018 #2

They're tired of Democratic domination. But they can't win on the issues. calimary Jun 2018 #47

Prop 8 passed the same year Obama was elected. Don't count on CA always voting the correct way. beaglelover Jun 2018 #84

Yet another reason that I wish to leave the US. GoneOffShore Jun 2018 #3

Just let me know jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #4

It's why we need to go back to pre Reagan taxes Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #17

If Russia wants to get the most bang for its buck, this is it. Bleacher Creature Jun 2018 #5

Yep.... divide by 3... Zoonart Jun 2018 #10

Bingo Hekate Jun 2018 #34

This is the GOPs only way back into power in California. Mr. Sparkle Jun 2018 #6

Perhaps they should try to do what the majority of people want... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #9

So they're trying to gerrymander the electoral college? Dopers_Greed Jun 2018 #7

Essentially yes... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #11

Only one of them would be "red" Zambero Jun 2018 #24

I like the chance to get some more Democratic Senators in Congress. rgbecker Jun 2018 #29

Look at who is backing it. There is your answer. It would be catastrophic in every respect. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #35

My first thought was---Who is backing this. If it's coming from Rethugs, it's Doitnow Jun 2018 #61

Add to that: Calexit had Russian backers, just as Brexit did, and for the same reason. Hekate Jun 2018 #63

Yep. Gerrymandering is what they do best. calimary Jun 2018 #49

My first thought also. Doreen Jun 2018 #83

It worked so well for the Roman Empire keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #8

It would be a GOP gerrymandering of CA. Fuck that shit. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #12

The population of California is represented by two (2) Senators. TygrBright Jun 2018 #13

That depends how the state is split up Hav Jun 2018 #15

One treestar Jun 2018 #41

the proposed state lines would not result in a net Democratic gain 0rganism Jun 2018 #18

That's the whole idea. RIGHT THERE. calimary Jun 2018 #50

any word on how this self-inflicted disaster is polling? 0rganism Jun 2018 #52

I'm in California. I like the size of my state even though both senators are from Sophia4 Jun 2018 #37

Keep asking California voters...which of the California states Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #14

Here's a good read on the water issue & others. From April 2018 Wwcd Jun 2018 #80

Now the Repugs want to gerrymander an entire state! LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #16

Shameless! That's now my go-to word for all these deplorable Republicans and so-called deurbano Jun 2018 #20

Congress would need a super majority to make it happen? pwb Jun 2018 #22

No super majority needed just "the consent of Congress"... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #53

Article 4 section 3 says no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of pwb Jun 2018 #58

No, because the provision in article 4 section 3 "or parts of states" would include the breakup... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #64

I read that as parts of other states not parts of California. So no. pwb Jun 2018 #67

Well, I'd point out again that Massachusetts effectively broke up into 2 states... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #68

I guess it's all moot anyway. California's legislature would never approve it. pwb Jun 2018 #70

Yes, it seems extremely unlikely that the California legislature would approve any split. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #71

Hmmm. I see your point. zentrum Jun 2018 #23

That map is truly effed wryter2000 Jun 2018 #25

They will game it, and win spotthebird Jun 2018 #81

Actually the area labeled NorCal has the entire SF Bay area in this map sdfernando Jun 2018 #36

How obvious treestar Jun 2018 #42

Excellent analysis; CA (D) candidates should make this a major campaign issue. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #43

Is this really a bad idea? zentrum Jun 2018 #19

Yes. 4 of the 6, in other words all four of the new senators, would be Republican senators. Iggo Jun 2018 #26

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #62

not a good idea rockfordfile Jun 2018 #27

People outside the major population centers have a point ripcord Jun 2018 #74

Even without the political considerations of who will PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #21

Map of the Former United States After Trump jg10003 Jun 2018 #30

This map of yours is great, jg10003! Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #89

It will destroy the California economy for everyone in California. There will be no winners. haele Jun 2018 #31

Excellent analysis, Haele. Thanks. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #45

Assessment is as real as it gets! Nt Anon-C Jun 2018 #59

That's exactly the plan. Initech Jun 2018 #75

One look at that "map" & hubby said, "Four Republican Senators and two Democratic Senators" Hekate Jun 2018 #38

NoCal would sell water to Cal & SoCal in "Unleaded" or "Leaded" varieties. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #44

It would be giving up treestar Jun 2018 #40

5th largest economy in the world Hekate Jun 2018 #46

Awesome treestar Jun 2018 #72

They don't care who they hurt or destroy, do they? As with other things, destroying the biggest... Hekate Jun 2018 #82

Extreme Northern California would be ticked... cbreezen Jun 2018 #48

Voters would have to approve, Legislature would have to approve. Iggo Jun 2018 #56

I did understand that it would require legislative approval... cbreezen Jun 2018 #66

There are already two Californias, let's keep it that way. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #51

WHY? seta1950 Jun 2018 #54

Follow the money, as my accountant friend used to say. I just ask: "Who does it serve?" Hekate Jun 2018 #88

Won't Happen The River Jun 2018 #55

Yes that's correct. The California legislature and the US Congress would have to vote to allow... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #69

The Repubs are trying to separate out that den of iniquity, Hollywood? Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #57

I don't even sign citizens initiatives any more. LisaM Jun 2018 #60

Nope. orangecrush Jun 2018 #65

what are they? Nuts? Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2018 #73

This being pushed by Republicans RandySF Jun 2018 #77

Has it already been stated that Tim Draper (and f--k him btw) is an investor in Telegram and a... Anon-C Jun 2018 #78

read about this attempt months and months ago.. russians? repubs? others? pangaia Jun 2018 #79

Won't happen Raine Jun 2018 #85

Well i'm pretty sure Californians are too smart for this to happen!!! bluestarone Jun 2018 #86

well, northern Californians often look down on southern Califorians ... kwassa Jun 2018 #87

Well, if they weren't always trying to steal our water :-) The Mouth Jun 2018 #91

Do it in Texas instead vercetti2021 Jun 2018 #90