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35. Look at who is backing it. There is your answer. It would be catastrophic in every respect. nt

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Initiative to break California into 3 states to go on November ballot [View all] EricMaundry Jun 2018 OP

Hmmmm wryter2000 Jun 2018 #1

Great chance to pick up 4 Democratic Senators. rgbecker Jun 2018 #28

The State won't always be blue wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #32

Do you live here? Hekate Jun 2018 #33

One of them might be quite red treestar Jun 2018 #39

Not all of CA is blue. RandySF Jun 2018 #76

GOP is throwing everything out there to get base to show itsrobert Jun 2018 #2

They're tired of Democratic domination. But they can't win on the issues. calimary Jun 2018 #47

Prop 8 passed the same year Obama was elected. Don't count on CA always voting the correct way. beaglelover Jun 2018 #84

Yet another reason that I wish to leave the US. GoneOffShore Jun 2018 #3

Just let me know jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #4

It's why we need to go back to pre Reagan taxes Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #17

If Russia wants to get the most bang for its buck, this is it. Bleacher Creature Jun 2018 #5

Yep.... divide by 3... Zoonart Jun 2018 #10

Bingo Hekate Jun 2018 #34

This is the GOPs only way back into power in California. Mr. Sparkle Jun 2018 #6

Perhaps they should try to do what the majority of people want... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #9

So they're trying to gerrymander the electoral college? Dopers_Greed Jun 2018 #7

Essentially yes... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #11

Only one of them would be "red" Zambero Jun 2018 #24

I like the chance to get some more Democratic Senators in Congress. rgbecker Jun 2018 #29

Look at who is backing it. There is your answer. It would be catastrophic in every respect. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #35

My first thought was---Who is backing this. If it's coming from Rethugs, it's Doitnow Jun 2018 #61

Add to that: Calexit had Russian backers, just as Brexit did, and for the same reason. Hekate Jun 2018 #63

Yep. Gerrymandering is what they do best. calimary Jun 2018 #49

My first thought also. Doreen Jun 2018 #83

It worked so well for the Roman Empire keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #8

It would be a GOP gerrymandering of CA. Fuck that shit. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #12

The population of California is represented by two (2) Senators. TygrBright Jun 2018 #13

That depends how the state is split up Hav Jun 2018 #15

One treestar Jun 2018 #41

the proposed state lines would not result in a net Democratic gain 0rganism Jun 2018 #18

That's the whole idea. RIGHT THERE. calimary Jun 2018 #50

any word on how this self-inflicted disaster is polling? 0rganism Jun 2018 #52

I'm in California. I like the size of my state even though both senators are from Sophia4 Jun 2018 #37

Keep asking California voters...which of the California states Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #14

Here's a good read on the water issue & others. From April 2018 Wwcd Jun 2018 #80

Now the Repugs want to gerrymander an entire state! LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #16

Shameless! That's now my go-to word for all these deplorable Republicans and so-called deurbano Jun 2018 #20

Congress would need a super majority to make it happen? pwb Jun 2018 #22

No super majority needed just "the consent of Congress"... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #53

Article 4 section 3 says no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of pwb Jun 2018 #58

No, because the provision in article 4 section 3 "or parts of states" would include the breakup... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #64

I read that as parts of other states not parts of California. So no. pwb Jun 2018 #67

Well, I'd point out again that Massachusetts effectively broke up into 2 states... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #68

I guess it's all moot anyway. California's legislature would never approve it. pwb Jun 2018 #70

Yes, it seems extremely unlikely that the California legislature would approve any split. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #71

Hmmm. I see your point. zentrum Jun 2018 #23

That map is truly effed wryter2000 Jun 2018 #25

They will game it, and win spotthebird Jun 2018 #81

Actually the area labeled NorCal has the entire SF Bay area in this map sdfernando Jun 2018 #36

How obvious treestar Jun 2018 #42

Excellent analysis; CA (D) candidates should make this a major campaign issue. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #43

Is this really a bad idea? zentrum Jun 2018 #19

Yes. 4 of the 6, in other words all four of the new senators, would be Republican senators. Iggo Jun 2018 #26

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #62

not a good idea rockfordfile Jun 2018 #27

People outside the major population centers have a point ripcord Jun 2018 #74

Even without the political considerations of who will PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #21

Map of the Former United States After Trump jg10003 Jun 2018 #30

This map of yours is great, jg10003! Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #89

It will destroy the California economy for everyone in California. There will be no winners. haele Jun 2018 #31

Excellent analysis, Haele. Thanks. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #45

Assessment is as real as it gets! Nt Anon-C Jun 2018 #59

That's exactly the plan. Initech Jun 2018 #75

One look at that "map" & hubby said, "Four Republican Senators and two Democratic Senators" Hekate Jun 2018 #38

NoCal would sell water to Cal & SoCal in "Unleaded" or "Leaded" varieties. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #44

It would be giving up treestar Jun 2018 #40

5th largest economy in the world Hekate Jun 2018 #46

Awesome treestar Jun 2018 #72

They don't care who they hurt or destroy, do they? As with other things, destroying the biggest... Hekate Jun 2018 #82

Extreme Northern California would be ticked... cbreezen Jun 2018 #48

Voters would have to approve, Legislature would have to approve. Iggo Jun 2018 #56

I did understand that it would require legislative approval... cbreezen Jun 2018 #66

There are already two Californias, let's keep it that way. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #51

WHY? seta1950 Jun 2018 #54

Follow the money, as my accountant friend used to say. I just ask: "Who does it serve?" Hekate Jun 2018 #88

Won't Happen The River Jun 2018 #55

Yes that's correct. The California legislature and the US Congress would have to vote to allow... PoliticAverse Jun 2018 #69

The Repubs are trying to separate out that den of iniquity, Hollywood? Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #57

I don't even sign citizens initiatives any more. LisaM Jun 2018 #60

Nope. orangecrush Jun 2018 #65

what are they? Nuts? Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2018 #73

This being pushed by Republicans RandySF Jun 2018 #77

Has it already been stated that Tim Draper (and f--k him btw) is an investor in Telegram and a... Anon-C Jun 2018 #78

read about this attempt months and months ago.. russians? repubs? others? pangaia Jun 2018 #79

Won't happen Raine Jun 2018 #85

Well i'm pretty sure Californians are too smart for this to happen!!! bluestarone Jun 2018 #86

well, northern Californians often look down on southern Califorians ... kwassa Jun 2018 #87

Well, if they weren't always trying to steal our water :-) The Mouth Jun 2018 #91

Do it in Texas instead vercetti2021 Jun 2018 #90