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65. and cattle are especially adept at utilizing plant matter in areas

Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:22 AM

Aug 2012

that are not readily arable. Sun + a little rain + well-managed livestock = improved water and mineral cycles, less soil erosion, and delicious beef.

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Food shortages could force world into vegetarianism, warn scientists [View all] alp227 Aug 2012 OP

my life handmade34 Aug 2012 #1

Ditto. Doremus Aug 2012 #113

Oh the horror! jberryhill Aug 2012 #2

Instead of giving up food how about giving up children? xtraxritical Aug 2012 #22

Jonathon Swift already thought of that nt NutmegYankee Aug 2012 #25

Yum! obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #35

To Serve Man? MADem Aug 2012 #37

Hasn't worked jberryhill Aug 2012 #41

+1 Auggie Aug 2012 #76

WHAT? And deal with the root cause, instead of the just diddling with the symptoms? RC Aug 2012 #108

+1 freshwest Aug 2012 #54

I agree that I *could* eat less meat...but I don't want to. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #98

That's fine jberryhill Aug 2012 #117

This article speaks as if food will be distributed equally worldwide Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #120

Actually, following your scenario, probably not jberryhill Aug 2012 #122

If what you say is truly the case, then I have only one rational course of action: Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #123

It's good to have such a solid plan lunatica Aug 2012 #147

My motto: Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #148

LOL! lunatica Aug 2012 #151

Yes, VEGETABLES CAN KILL YOU snooper2 Aug 2012 #116

And when it does...the Chicago Commodities Exchange will start trading broccoli futures. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #3

Not scary at all tama Aug 2012 #4

Plus meat production creates more greenhouse gases than cars, tho the MSM rarely reports on this n/t JudyM Aug 2012 #16

OTOH AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #127

Hadn't read anything about this -- how does it work? nt JudyM Aug 2012 #140

good grazing increases soil organic matter (=sequestered carbon) AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #141

I can't wait to buy my first McDonalds McCarrot WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #5

Burger King already has Garden Burgers, just like the ones at the supermarket. Yummy. freshwest Aug 2012 #55

really? I didn't know that! ginnyinWI Aug 2012 #66

Well, they're at all of them in my state, but check it out in WI. I'll bet you can. freshwest Aug 2012 #71

I will check it out. ginnyinWI Aug 2012 #86

They've had them for decades MadrasT Aug 2012 #75

Morningstar farms makes a mean veggie burger. n/t 2on2u Aug 2012 #6

Amy's, Gardenburger and Boca are my faves! Yum, any day of the week. Lots of good choices. n/t JudyM Aug 2012 #14

amazing how things can taste... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #30

That is my problem with "healthy" "Organic" processed foods. RC Aug 2012 #110

yeah, def not to be used as dietary staple -- they're just occasional treats for me. nt JudyM Aug 2012 #139

Yep, everything in moderation... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #142

Both of those are good choices....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #31

Yes, as I surf, I am enjoying Amy's frozen kosher vegetable enchilada, rice and beans meti57b Aug 2012 #40

Mornungstar Farms' Grillers Prime are REALLY good Rob H. Aug 2012 #62

Really good if you like cardboard...yeeecch Champion Jack Aug 2012 #78

Have you tried Quorn? KansDem Aug 2012 #89

I like their sausage links. bitchkitty Aug 2012 #112

But, scientists have discovered how to lab grow meat Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #7

blech AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #128

too hot to grow....cannibalism..... Demonaut Aug 2012 #8

Soylent Green tama Aug 2012 #17

A job description at the FEMA camp notes "How To Serve People". jtuck004 Aug 2012 #21

Other job requirements stated? ;) nt tama Aug 2012 #23

Damon Knight short story klook Aug 2012 #36

We could reduce the amount of meat we eat without being totally vegetarian. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #9

Yeah! defacto7 Aug 2012 #57

The oceans will become our major source of meat. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #10

There's a near-disastrous decline in ocean fish, though, too. n/t JudyM Aug 2012 #15

We'll teach cows to swim. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #67

Chickens are very efficient protein converters. People can run them in their backyards for eggs and diane in sf Aug 2012 #11

Force? nt onehandle Aug 2012 #12

I hope so, just for the laughs. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #13

I doubt there will be 9 billion people in 2050. roamer65 Aug 2012 #18

That time line may be a little extreme, but the thinking is correct. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #85

only 1 billion? AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #129

Yep. Remember, that billion includes all of Africa and Asia as well. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #131

I havent heard of him or his book AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #132

There's a lot of debate about the planet's human carrying capacity. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #135

WARN??? DeSwiss Aug 2012 #19

This film along with a couple others really changed my outlook Marrah_G Aug 2012 #49

I'm a work in-progress.... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #52

The more fresh food, the happier we will be. More energy, clarity, etc. The best is yet to come. freshwest Aug 2012 #58

first I stopped eating pork: ginnyinWI Aug 2012 #68

I eat as far from my DNA as possible. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #91

I have been a vegetarian for 15 years. RebelOne Aug 2012 #93

It's all good. Gross national happiness instead of the alternative! freshwest Aug 2012 #56

i disagree AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #20

Talking about inefficient tama Aug 2012 #24

i hear ya AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #32

Remember oil tama Aug 2012 #39

and cattle are especially adept at utilizing plant matter in areas Kali Aug 2012 #65

exactly! AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #126

I think you're far too optimistic about the scale "well-managed pasture" can be done on muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #145

i dont need scientists AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #152

Eat the rich! nt valerief Aug 2012 #26

We're omnivores Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #27

I always have been... orwell Aug 2012 #28

As a mostly vegetarian gourmet cook, Big Blue Marble Aug 2012 #29

I'm mostly vegetarian also........ socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #33

The fat and protein in animal products is why over 90% of us get sick anyway. Systematic Chaos Aug 2012 #34

They will pry my bacon out my dead artery clogged high cholesterol high blooded sugared hand. nt Javaman Aug 2012 #38

OMG LiberalCatholic Aug 2012 #88

more likely insect eaters leftyohiolib Aug 2012 #42

Nuclear energy, nuclear-powered water desalination, further technological development. David__77 Aug 2012 #43

Sure, just wipe out the rest of the wildlife and wilderness left in the world to make space for us. RC Aug 2012 #115

This wouldn't be such a problem if Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #44

If women in developing worlds gain access glowing Aug 2012 #45

Next time you run into a gay couple, or Trillo Aug 2012 #46

I've been surprised how easy it has been to stop eating meat Marrah_G Aug 2012 #47

ha--but when you smell that bacon, ginnyinWI Aug 2012 #69

Sounds like a reason to celebrate. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #48

veggie pizza is the best! shanti Aug 2012 #103

I'll be quite screwed if so. Akoto Aug 2012 #50

Where I live, omnivorous living is sustainable. longship Aug 2012 #51

Great post Champion Jack Aug 2012 #79

Thx. nt longship Aug 2012 #84

I grew up in a place like that Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #104

A company is working on producing 3d (printed) meat Flaxbee Aug 2012 #53

Taco Bell's "meat" products are only about 5% meat already primavera Aug 2012 #59

This might not be a bad thing PD Turk Aug 2012 #60

I describe myself as a 'near-vegetarian'... jxnmsdemguy65 Aug 2012 #61

Seeing as how our current population and farming practices are already unsustainable NickB79 Aug 2012 #63

There's a thing called "management-intensive grazing"... drokhole Aug 2012 #64

excellent post, thank you. Scout Aug 2012 #92

yes! thank you for posting, it saved me from going off on rant. nt Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #105

thanks Kali Aug 2012 #111

"Nature works in symbiosis. The smartest thing we could do is mimic it with light guidance." 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #125

Wonderful 2nd video on bad science/business MIDNITERIDER1438 Aug 2012 #133

Thank you. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #150

What if we stop using 40% of our corn for biofuel Incitatus Aug 2012 #70

Source? KamaAina Aug 2012 #97

It is both too high and accurate 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #99

Ouch. KamaAina Aug 2012 #101

Because it was never about reducing our foreign oil habit 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #102

Here are some. Incitatus Aug 2012 #100

Does that translate as meaning dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #72

It's OK, we can just fly to other galaxies! CaptPicard Aug 2012 #73

as long as you are a zygote that is true. nt Sivafae Aug 2012 #118

As long as it doesn't lead to cannibalism bec Aug 2012 #74

In the 70s we were all gonna starve to death Yo_Mama Aug 2012 #77

I'll go cannibal before I go vegetarian slackmaster Aug 2012 #80

My god, imagine the smell... AngryAmish Aug 2012 #81

water shortages lead to food shortages which necessitate reduction of meat production KurtNYC Aug 2012 #82

Guess I'll have to grown my own - lynne Aug 2012 #83

I'm sure I'll get thumped for saying this DarleenMB Aug 2012 #87

I can't eat just one type of food. It would probably kill me. Jennicut Aug 2012 #94

But South Asia has been predominantly vegetarian since 6th Century BC goodhue Aug 2012 #95

Largely out of necessity 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #106

Vegetarianism is becoming more popular now that the population has hit 7 billion GliderGuider Aug 2012 #109

I won't thump you. fat is what feeds our brains. Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #107

I'll be kind Doremus Aug 2012 #114

Yup nobodyspecial Aug 2012 #119

so i can get fat by eating too much fresh fruit? AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #130

Yeah actually 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #136

should I change my breakfast routine? AlecBGreen Aug 2012 #137

That's up to you 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #138

Fire walk with me tama Aug 2012 #134

Just don't forget to stop fire-walking ... Nihil Aug 2012 #143

Quality beats quantity :) tama Aug 2012 #144

K & R! lonestarnot Aug 2012 #90

Smith & Wollensky will close so more peasants can survive in Africa and South Asia? I don't think so FarCenter Aug 2012 #96

As much as I do like the "world into vegetarian" idea... flvegan Aug 2012 #121

If massive and sustained food shortages force us to give up meat they will likely coincide 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #146

As I type this, there's a herd of two dozen elk outside my door. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #149

Then we shall dine on scientists! sofa king Aug 2012 #124