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68. Just admit you misspoke, please, for the love of God.

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:05 PM

Jul 2018

I don't think you intended to come off as blaming the victim, but that's what it sounds like anytime someone suggests mere words are ever enough to cause a rational person to resort to violence.

No, we don't know if she was rational, but the mentally ill account for so few actual crimes in the US that going there is an (also unintentional, I'm sure) insult to all of us who struggle with actual mental illness but still manage to not hit people over words.

No, we don't have full video of the assault. No, we aren't the jury she will face, but nobody is saying she doesn't deserve a trial even if they are horrified by this crime. And even if they were, she's still going to get one. And it's fine if you want to wait before metaphorical torches and pitchforks just to make sure there's nothing incorrect in the coverage.

But at least admit that "what did he say" is the wrong question to ask. "What did he do/she think he was going to do?" is the only rational question needing to be ascertained if you are trying to actually figure out how/why such a terrible thing could happen.

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Woman arrested in brutal brick beating of 92-year-old man in Willowbrook [View all] christx30 Jul 2018 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #1

Her accomplices still need to be arrested immediately! Anon-C Jul 2018 #2

Suspect Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #3

Good. BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #4

Lock her up Gothmog Jul 2018 #5

My God, she is digusting and in front of a child. Kind of Blue Jul 2018 #6

Do her daughter a favor and lock her up Joe Nation Jul 2018 #7

did he say anything heaven05 Jul 2018 #8

Please tell me that's sarcasm. eggplant Jul 2018 #9

that woman heaven05 Jul 2018 #11

Verbal provocation is not an excuse. It was not an excuse to kill Emmett Till in 1965. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #16

1955. But agree with your point. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #133

Thanks for the correction! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #135

Dude is 92 years old. colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #17

wow this woman is really sick, thanks for extra details nt steve2470 Jul 2018 #29

Now that her ass is in jail hope she drops a dime on the other four........... Bengus81 Jul 2018 #62

Find the cowards that beat up the old man 4 of them on a 92 yr old man lunasun Jul 2018 #103

Thanks for the link! colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #111

They'll never give her a deal, if they can at all help it. Calista241 Jul 2018 #152

kid was 8 years old heaven05 Jul 2018 #156

What I saw yesterday was PatrickforO Jul 2018 #38

Child is four years old, not in a stroller. colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #54

You've got to be fucking kidding me. John Fante Jul 2018 #58

Your implication is that if she was provoked she is innocent. You can't have it both ways. A1 or A2? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #77

No, you are wrong heaven05 Jul 2018 #81

Finally. You are absolutely confused between Conviction and Sentencing. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #85

I just don't think so heaven05 Jul 2018 #86

Now you on to the what-aboutism fallacy. :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #87

you keep coming heaven05 Jul 2018 #88

Logical people ARE pissed off about other cases but don't conflate them together. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #89

Would You Be RobinA Jul 2018 #153

If a crime as obvious as this heaven05 Jul 2018 #154

Did you ever think her rage was the same as white people who hate Mexicans and attack them? lunasun Jul 2018 #105

I'm sure of that heaven05 Jul 2018 #127

There simply is nothing that could justify what she did The Mouth Jul 2018 #124

not hurting my feelings buddy heaven05 Jul 2018 #126

I believe it. The Mouth Jul 2018 #130

What if she did it with provocation...are we allowed to beat people with brick now who provote us? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #146

I can think of a lot heaven05 Jul 2018 #14

If the criminal assaulter has little or no control, that is NEVER AN EXCUSE. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #18

Never said it was heaven05 Jul 2018 #67

Nothing to wait for regarding any words that may have passed from victim. And you def implied. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #69

No point for you to mention it unless you are using it as an excuse. So please don't excuse it. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #70

so you say heaven05 Jul 2018 #72

What is your motive? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #73

Why does there have to be heaven05 Jul 2018 #76

My motive is to try to wake you up that verbal provocation is never an excuse for innocence. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #79

Well said The Mouth Jul 2018 #125

My other motive is to try to wake you up that lack of self-control is never an excuse for innocence. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #80

I'm agreeing with Mr. La Paz on this one. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #40

and? heaven05 Jul 2018 #44

Of course, she deserves a fair trial. No question. colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #56

I totally agree nt heaven05 Jul 2018 #78

Translation: hopefully the old man said something to John Fante Jul 2018 #59

you don't translate well heaven05 Jul 2018 #66

You don't excuse well. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #71

One time I was on the way to a party christx30 Jul 2018 #92

people with such little control over their anger and hate need to be put away The Mouth Jul 2018 #131

It doesn't matter...you can't beat people with bricks. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #147

What could he have possibly said ripcord Jul 2018 #10

I don't know heaven05 Jul 2018 #12

You don't know because in fact there is nothing a person can SAY that justifies a VIOLENT ATTACK Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #26

You said it. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #41

well backward logic heaven05 Jul 2018 #45

Are you joking? Is it sarcasm? Really, I would appreciate a response. olegramps Jul 2018 #13

I'll wait for the completed investigation. heaven05 Jul 2018 #22

For heaven's sake; VIOLENCE is NOT appropriate or legal response to verbal provocation, if any. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #15

agreed nt steve2470 Jul 2018 #20

I will wait heaven05 Jul 2018 #25

If you "don't advocate this type of violence" then DON'T EXCUSE it any any way. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #28

In this particular case, at least... LanternWaste Jul 2018 #32

I care. That poor old guy should never have been attacked. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #43

Even if he launched into some horrible diatribe against her.... steve2470 Jul 2018 #19

He's get a pass heaven05 Jul 2018 #27

"An eyewitness later christx30 Jul 2018 #23

If completely true heaven05 Jul 2018 #31

I'm not willing to give her a pass christx30 Jul 2018 #35

I'm not giving her a pass heaven05 Jul 2018 #48

Geez Steerpike Jul 2018 #115

ahhh, never heaven05 Jul 2018 #116

you Steerpike Jul 2018 #117

I have anarchists that live next door heaven05 Jul 2018 #118

soooo Steerpike Jul 2018 #121

like I said to many here heaven05 Jul 2018 #123

Look, even if I might WANT to hit people with bricks for shit they say... moriah Jul 2018 #24

Ridiculous, no heaven05 Jul 2018 #33

Yes, absolutely ridiculous. moriah Jul 2018 #36

quit trying heaven05 Jul 2018 #49

It's the same exact thing. moriah Jul 2018 #52

Especially a 92 year old man who doesn't even fricking know English! demmiblue Jul 2018 #55

Holy shite! demmiblue Jul 2018 #30

she should not heaven05 Jul 2018 #34

Your responses in this thread are why I come here like once a week now obamanut2012 Jul 2018 #94

your choice heaven05 Jul 2018 #95

Oh, we do know you obamanut2012 Jul 2018 #112

and? heaven05 Jul 2018 #113

Seriously, do you honestly believe the irate response to your ridiculous question ... moriah Jul 2018 #120

understand heaven05 Jul 2018 #122

I was referring to white DUers reactions to white-on-minority violence. moriah Jul 2018 #129

Had you actually comprehended what was posted, you would have noticed this poster was NOT the one Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #128

Um, excuse me? moriah Jul 2018 #132

There's seething hatred and rancor unleashed with total abandon in this thread at this poster. Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #134

Wow melman Jul 2018 #136

So you want to drag me into this free-for-all, is that right? Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #139

At least for this person, I got offended and extremely upset that someone... moriah Jul 2018 #141

They most certainly did suggest that melman Jul 2018 #149

..... Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #150

Well, there could be, but it's certainly not going to be anything he *said*. moriah Jul 2018 #140

Did he 'SAY' anything? nini Jul 2018 #37

It's just the usual "blame the victim" playbook. moriah Jul 2018 #47

I'm so tired of having to shake my head constantly these days nini Jul 2018 #104

I will wait heaven05 Jul 2018 #50

You're not on the fucking jury nini Jul 2018 #100

Truly bizarre, isn't it?! demmiblue Jul 2018 #53

He said nothing Devil Child Jul 2018 #61

That's fucking disgusting. There's nothing that you could say that would justify this. X_Digger Jul 2018 #82

yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Jul 2018 #83

There is not a goddamned thing that a person could say to another to justify this. X_Digger Jul 2018 #84

Can't avoid noticing that when a suspect is an African American, some people start going berserk, Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #96

so true heaven05 Jul 2018 #99

I posted this story as good news. christx30 Jul 2018 #102

I was angry and disgusted when I posted the first thread on the attack. Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #106

And your actual post does not mention race lunasun Jul 2018 #107

But everyone else is talking about race. christx30 Jul 2018 #108

You really think people would be less upset if the perp was white about... moriah Jul 2018 #110

And if the was a white or Latino person assaulting an AA person.... MicaelS Jul 2018 #97

yes heaven05 Jul 2018 #98

And what was he wearing? Orsino Jul 2018 #119

Fuck that. Codeine Jul 2018 #138

Words alone are not cause for an attack like that. Plus Raine Jul 2018 #144

I don't care if he called her the C word...she and her buds had no business to beat him. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #145

Twenty First Century Emmett Till. George II Jul 2018 #21

Well till heaven05 Jul 2018 #39

He was murdered because a woman claimed that he "looked at her" outside a store down South. George II Jul 2018 #46

Here are the Klansmen who tortured him before tying him to a machine Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #109

thank you heaven05 Jul 2018 #114

I hope they throw all of them under the jail. blueinredohio Jul 2018 #42

if found guilty heaven05 Jul 2018 #51

This has to be trolling. John Fante Jul 2018 #60

really? what scenario? heaven05 Jul 2018 #65

I second that observation. alphafemale Jul 2018 #93

Yeah...this is all made up BS,no truth to any of it. Pffffttttttttttt.......... Bengus81 Jul 2018 #63

I did not imply that heaven05 Jul 2018 #64

Just admit you misspoke, please, for the love of God. moriah Jul 2018 #68

ok I admit that little bit heaven05 Jul 2018 #74

Violent and racist, jail is the perfect place for this piece of shit Devil Child Jul 2018 #57

End racism manicdem Jul 2018 #75

Yeah, they're gonna put her under the jail Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #90

Good. Lock her up. Owl Jul 2018 #91

Glad she was found . This happened on the 4th of July . Sick lunasun Jul 2018 #101

I hope she is charged with a hate crime rollin74 Jul 2018 #137

I agree about wanting her to be charged christx30 Jul 2018 #142

Good, she should be charged with a hate crime Raine Jul 2018 #143

Why on earth have certain kinds of people declared war on a poster? Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #148

What gets me wild and fired up Devil Child Jul 2018 #155

1. I hope the brick has been recovered, and - 2. I think Elder Abuse is another appropriate charge. NBachers Jul 2018 #151

Charged with attempted murder, plus another charge.. MicaelS Jul 2018 #157