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bucolic_frolic

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19. Trump has a simpleton's take on history

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 AM

Jul 2018

Czarist Russia, and later Soviet Union's motives and treaties in both wars were complex. Czarist Russia was undergoing revolution, from Czar to White Russians to the Kerensky government, and despair. Citizens, as they usually do, wanted war to end. Germany permitted Lenin to pass through the war zone and return to Russia on a sealed train. Presumably Germany did this to help defeat Russia. Stalin had treaties with Hitler, but was he hedging Soviet unpreparedness for war, or simply waiting for opportunity? We supplied Stalin's Russia with materiel, it was good for the economy. Stalin waited years for the second front, and suffered major losses of life. I consider this summary painting with a broad brush.

Trump's 'helped us win some wars' is like a pre-school watercolor.

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Trump Defends Russia: 'I'm Not Pro-Russia,' But They Did Help Us Win Wars [View all] DonViejo Jul 2018 OP

"You look at World War I" Botany Jul 2018 #1

WW II. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #22

I just stopped with his WW I bullshit because if I tried to correct the rest of his crap .... Botany Jul 2018 #28

I thought we'd tag team this! yallerdawg Jul 2018 #32

Nazi Germany and the USSR had a non aggression pact apnu Jul 2018 #41

Nothing but trash talk for America, and nothing but praise for Russia dalton99a Jul 2018 #2

I love seeing Trump on the defense PatSeg Jul 2018 #3

I don't think he knows ... or at least ... Whiskeytide Jul 2018 #37

I think he became overly confident PatSeg Jul 2018 #43

"i'm not pro-russia but they're among the very few people i refuse under any circumstance to insult" unblock Jul 2018 #4

What a fucking dope louis c Jul 2018 #5

A small caveat. Germany declared war on us three days after we declared war on Japan. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #17

I know that... louis c Jul 2018 #20

They did sink our merchant ships with abandon exboyfil Jul 2018 #33

Quite different than Russia louis c Jul 2018 #34

As I'm Sure You Recall, Louis. . . ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #42

Trump was told that....He did not think that up on his own..... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2018 #6

I agree. Putin must have told him this in their private meeting. All Russian talking poiNts. hedda_foil Jul 2018 #12

Keep spewing your useless crap CountAllVotes Jul 2018 #7

How's Syria going, Spanknuts? C_U_L8R Jul 2018 #8

"Russia lost 50 million people and helped us win the war" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #9

And that means what...? ck4829 Jul 2018 #10

He thought to himself... Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #11

Genius. I wonder why those dopey lefties didn't use that line Mc Mike Jul 2018 #13

"Russia really helped us." relogic Jul 2018 #14

The penalty for treason is death by hanging. Moostache Jul 2018 #15

Trump don't know much about HISTORY Initech Jul 2018 #16

The only truth in that statement is. R Merm Jul 2018 #18

Trump has a simpleton's take on history bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #19

Yepper there sexual predator..........your Pro Traitor and Pro Treason..................... turbinetree Jul 2018 #21

A true idiot heaven05 Jul 2018 #23

It is true that Stalin primarily used his troops to slow down German bullets . . . MrModerate Jul 2018 #24

By trumps logic al Qaeda must be okay too Norbert Jul 2018 #25

Russia wasn't much help after the Reds knocked off Tsar Nicholas Historic NY Jul 2018 #26

Pestilent Dump flashes gang sign to YKW at G20 Ponietz Jul 2018 #27

The truth is we really don't have to do much BootinUp Jul 2018 #29

Trump also believes Nazis are not so bad IronLionZion Jul 2018 #30

Low information revisionist historian teaches his base nonsense. truthisfreedom Jul 2018 #31

Yes, such a "help" that only Truman kept us from marching into Moscow after Germany was flattened. PSPS Jul 2018 #35

Genius Maxheader Jul 2018 #36

"I'm not pro-Dr. Mengele, but he did cure my athelete's foot one time." n/t SpankMe Jul 2018 #38

the man is a fucking moron. nt Javaman Jul 2018 #39

I guess he forgets more recent events neohippie Jul 2018 #40

True enough! aka-chmeee Jul 2018 #44