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82. We also have to accept that threads like this --

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:42 PM

Jul 2018

SO divisive, SO eager to paint our own, our friends, our allies as dangerous political enemies or traitors, serves Putin's agenda very, very well.

TBH, I don't know if Devine is dirty, but I don't think so -- certainly not from what I've learned so far, which isn't much. AFAIC, that Devine invoiced Manafort means nothing without a lot more context and detail. MANAFORT's the one on trial. Let's wait to damn and condemn Devine until we have some actual dirt on him. Just showing up as a Manafort vendor doesn't get us there IMO.

Let's see, for example, if he shows up as one of those getting immunity for testifying against Manafort. Let's see if he gets indicted or pleads.

None of that has happened yet -- that we know of. And, in the meantime, Putin wins.

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Bernie Sanders' campaign strategist Tad Devine turns up 16 times in evidence against Paul Manafort [View all] herding cats Jul 2018 OP

Rut-Roh! n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #1

Very Interesting louis c Jul 2018 #2

It's sad but can't say I didn't feel uncomfortable.... FarPoint Jul 2018 #61

rawstory is not a news source nt msongs Jul 2018 #3

Oh i think i get it Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #22

Usually it's an aggregator but sometimes it publishes its own stories, pnwmom Jul 2018 #42

Screaming 'fake news" doesn't make this go away, Donald Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2018 #74

There is this GemDigger Jul 2018 #77

Was Jill stein also in this loop? kimbutgar Jul 2018 #4

Putin used everyone to attack his enemy...HILLARY! BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #43

100% Skid Rogue Jul 2018 #122

Other people were influenced by the polls and assumed Hillary would win BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #124

according to a report on vote suppression WhiteTara Jul 2018 #130

I'm a Democrat. What's bernie? Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #5

+1000 Pachamama Jul 2018 #109

Just tired of being responsible for him all the time. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #118

Why leave out Al Gore and John Kerry? dogman Jul 2018 #6

Probably because of this. herding cats Jul 2018 #7

And he worked on their campaigns also. dogman Jul 2018 #9

that was before he joined manafort JI7 Jul 2018 #14

So what? dogman Jul 2018 #17

its not a conspiracy theory that he worked with manafort JI7 Jul 2018 #19

No, and that is nothing new. dogman Jul 2018 #21

The new information is that he worked with Manafort and Kilimnik through 2014 Maven Jul 2018 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Jul 2018 #102

But the insinuation that he did anything wrong, anywhere, ever RandomAccess Jul 2018 #78

If Bernie were a Democrat... SergeStorms Jul 2018 #90

I was talking about Devine RandomAccess Jul 2018 #91

You were talking about "Bernie hatred".... SergeStorms Jul 2018 #92

Yes, but not Bernie himself -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #95

Right -- Bernie's obviously guilty by association here. Do we even know what Devine is guilty of? KPN Jul 2018 #104

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #106

But "the emails"! Why does that sound so familiar? KPN Jul 2018 #114

That broadbursh is simply not true. There are many bernie supporters who are Wwcd Jul 2018 #119

Who is making this into a conspiracy theory? All I see are facts that have been presented. George II Jul 2018 #25

You're choosing to ignore all the innuendo? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #79

Best thing to do is pretend any accurate news story is simply hatred and bias. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #94

Are you not a little bothered that he worked for Yanukovich? Adrahil Jul 2018 #121

They predate his involvement with Russia and Manafort. herding cats Jul 2018 #15

Yes, but if Tad is bad, how does that involve Bernie? dogman Jul 2018 #20

Tad Devine is named by Mueller. herding cats Jul 2018 #24

By Mueller. dogman Jul 2018 #28

This is a DU post, not a twitter thread. herding cats Jul 2018 #30

Right. dogman Jul 2018 #33

To address late your edit. herding cats Jul 2018 #93

Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #36

Lol. Nary a peep from that side, but Woo Boy would the other side be howling! Wwcd Jul 2018 #38

That's just it, he would never have even been asked "another candidate", so "nary a peep".... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #48

Would Clinton have hired him? dawg day Jul 2018 #126

No she wouldn't. He would've been vetted, and his associations would have prevented him from EVER.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #127

Exactly. A lot to do about nothing. It all KPN Jul 2018 #115

That's inconvenient for the Bernie haters. rainin Jul 2018 #56

That was years earlier. George II Jul 2018 #13

What is the time frame for conspiracy theory? dogman Jul 2018 #23

Conspiracy theory? How has this suddenly become a conspiracy theory? George II Jul 2018 #27

Read the thread. dogman Jul 2018 #29

Of course they do. herding cats Jul 2018 #32

Not discussing it intelligently. dogman Jul 2018 #35

Bernie is going to be mentioned because his Chief Strategist was mentioned by Mueller herding cats Jul 2018 #37

Buckle up. This is going to get very bumpy for the Sanders campaign. We already know that Russia.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #54

Yes, a great conspiracy theory. dogman Jul 2018 #57

Because Devine lied about when he quit working with Manafort? If it was 2010, why was he still... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #59

And Gore lost an election he won, and Kerry lost an election he should have won. dogman Jul 2018 #62

2000 & 2004. We're talking about 2014. Please try & keep up. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #67

I think the invoice was from June while RandomAccess Jul 2018 #80

Bernie is involved because Devine was in touch with Kilminick, the intelligence officer, pnwmom Jul 2018 #45

So what exactly is your theory? dogman Jul 2018 #60

My theory is that Manafort's trial will start next week and we'll know more. pnwmom Jul 2018 #63

Agreed. dogman Jul 2018 #66

He was involved with them in 2000 and 2004, prior to getting mixed up pnwmom Jul 2018 #70

Just a buzzword to try Cha Jul 2018 #52

Because 2000 and 2004 were both BEFORE 2006, the first time pnwmom Jul 2018 #44

That doesn't serve the purpose of rehashing the 2016 campaign. n/t QC Jul 2018 #98

They're not too relevant here- did they work w Manafort too? bettyellen Jul 2018 #101

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Jul 2018 #8

Not just "in contact", they worked together for years, and communicated most recently in 2014. George II Jul 2018 #10

Washington Post story that was the source for this RawStory post csziggy Jul 2018 #11

I'm trying not to say I told you so. Anon-C Jul 2018 #12

Political operatives (or analysts/pundits/whatever) are probably the slimiest critters erronis Jul 2018 #16

I have been waiting for the books telling the story about this campaign! yallerdawg Jul 2018 #18

Uh oh RandySF Jul 2018 #26

This is why folks should be cautious about supporting Alexandria underthematrix Jul 2018 #34

What's to be cautious about? theaocp Jul 2018 #71

I was just given my third notice for bigotry and insensitivity underthematrix Jul 2018 #73

K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #39

I'm cool with the idea that Bernie The_jackalope Jul 2018 #40

Grief. Et tu? Duppers Jul 2018 #47

Guilty by association? left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #41

Thank you!! Duppers Jul 2018 #49

Not analogous. Devine worked for Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004, BEFORE pnwmom Jul 2018 #50

Sounds like Tad may have "evolved" after so many losses. He clearly lied about his association.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #55

Did he? WHere? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #81

Apparently he got paid in 2014, when he was already talking to Sanders. Scary. bettyellen Jul 2018 #103

I was asking about where he lied -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #105

Apparently he said they hadn't worked together since 2010- yet four years later, he cashed checks bettyellen Jul 2018 #108

Thanks RandomAccess Jul 2018 #117

There appears to be a bit of overlap for Devine w Manafort and the Russian and his bettyellen Jul 2018 #120

Does this mean that,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #46

A useful... comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #129

Put some of that dunder towards November. If there's anything to it Mueller's got it ... marble falls Jul 2018 #51

As a Sanders supporter in the primary..... Boomer Jul 2018 #53

You're ruining the moment. There are people who want us all to draw one conclusion... rainin Jul 2018 #58

Jill Stein IS a Putin troll. she is spewing the Clinton uranium one bs JI7 Jul 2018 #84

Yes, she is. I don't think Bernie is. Sorry I was unclear. rainin Jul 2018 #86

I trust Bernie on this. His campaign was very genuine and he's honorable mvd Jul 2018 #96

That's basically how I feel, too. nt pnwmom Jul 2018 #64

The voice of reason LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #68

I think the issue is, was his chief political strategist aware of it? George II Jul 2018 #69

That's it in a nutshell. herding cats Jul 2018 #76

We also have to accept that threads like this -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #82

Putin wins either way Boomer Jul 2018 #87

Bernie has cast some curious votes re: Russia, and totally out of synch with his Dem colleagues.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #85

So I looked up this statement Boomer Jul 2018 #99

And it's been going on here for a long time no less. Magnitsky Act, Magnitsky Act, KPN Jul 2018 #111

Cool cover story if you believe his reasons for not voting with Democrats on two Russia bills. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #125

I wouldn't be surprised rockfordfile Jul 2018 #97

Russia's goal is to divide Democrats. tiredtoo Jul 2018 #65

Oh, it doesn't really matter DavidDvorkin Jul 2018 #72

I really don't think it affected the campaign mvd Jul 2018 #75

He is the only Senator to vote against both the Magnitsky Act and Russia Sanctions. George II Jul 2018 #83

Not weighing in on the main issue of this thread cause it is just shit slinging GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #88

I disagree all around - except the trouble these threads cause mvd Jul 2018 #89

More disinformation against Sanders? Boomer Jul 2018 #100

Despite being repeatedly corrected on this, AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #133

Wow..Devine worked on both Gore and Kerry's campaign and then with Manafort Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #107

That he is a whore? Pachamama Jul 2018 #110

I think you're right Pachamama Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #112

Much to do about absolutely nothing. Did anyone here actually look at the evidence list KPN Jul 2018 #113

Tad & his company is STILL working for bernie. btw. Wwcd Jul 2018 #116

Never cared much for sanders... Maxheader Jul 2018 #123

Somebody should have told Bernie that nobody was allowed to run against Hillary Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #128

Excellent advice. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #131

Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #132